[OAUTH-WG] TLS question from token revocation draft iesg evaluation

2013-06-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, This draft has a couple of minor changes needed as a result of IESG review (see [1]) but one question came up that I wanted to bring back to the WG to see what you think. Any good answer should be fine btw, this isn't a case of the insisting on stuff. The question is whether the WG think t

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [kitten] [IANA #731918] SASL mechanism not listed

2014-03-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
See below. I think (not quite sure) that this is better discussed on the kitten list. Ta, S. Original Message Subject: [kitten] [IANA #731918] SASL mechanism not listed Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:33:06 + From: Stephen Farrell To: kit...@ietf.org CC: iana-questi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS)

2014-10-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Mike, I cannot tell which is your text and which not. Can you please use a better quoting style? These docs are going to be a total PITA to handle otherwise. Thanks, S. On 02/10/14 16:14, Mike Jones wrote: > Responding to the DISCUSS below… > > > > -Original Message- > From: Alissa

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS)

2014-10-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/10/14 17:25, Mike Jones wrote: > OK - I'll start prefixing my text with "Mike> ". Many thanks. S > > -Original Message----- > From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:49 AM > To: Mike Jones;

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 06/10/14 08:54, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Stephen. I've added the working group to the > thread so they're aware of your comments. > >> -Original Message----- From: Stephen Farrell >> [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Thu

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
needed. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all &g

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, Mostly fine just a couple of notes. On 16/10/14 20:28, Brian Campbell wrote: > Thanks for your review and feedback, Stephen. Replies are inline below... > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> Stephen Farrell has entered the followin

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 16/10/14 21:06, Brian Campbell wrote: > Thanks for your review and feedback on this one too, Stephen. Replies are > inline below... > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 16/10/14 22:39, Brian Campbell wrote: > Hiya in return and inline below... > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> >> Hmm. So the SAML one only seems to have RSA-SHA1 as the MTI and the >> JOSE one has only H256 as required. &g

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:20 PM >> To: Stephen Farrell; The IESG >> Cc: oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-oauth-json-web- >> to...@tools.ietf.org; oauth@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-18: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-11-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
-- Mike > > -Original Message- > From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 8:33 PM > To: 'Stephen Farrell'; The IESG > Cc: oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org; > draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-to...@tools.ie

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [websec] unbearable - new mailing list to discuss better than bearer tokens...

2014-12-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
gt;>>> >>>> John B. >>>>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Phil Hunt >wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't that duplicate our current work? >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-auth] unbearable - new mailing list to discuss better than bearer tokens...

2014-12-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
endentid.com > phil.h...@oracle.com > >> On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >> >> >> Hiya, >> >> Following up on the presentation at IETF-91 on this topic, [1] >> we've created a new list [2] for moving that along. The li

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [Unbearable] one proposal for a charter - please dicsuss

2014-12-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
+0000 From: Stephen Farrell To: unbeara...@ietf.org Hi all, There's about 70+ people on the list now so let's kick off. Andrei sent Kathleen and I the charter proposal below a while ago. For myself I don't think its quite right yet but I'd rather hear what you all think. S

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
So this is to follow up on my discuss point#2, which said: (2) If the response (defined in 3.2.1) includes metadata that the server has altered, but that the client doesn't like, then what does the client do? (It may be that that's ok, but I'm not following why that is the case.) I'm also not sur

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
try to re-negotiate, but > that's a fairly sophisticated behavior. So could we just point at the relevant specs for that behaviour? (Not normatively, and I don't care if they're not RFCs.) S. > > Hope this helps, > -- Justin > > On 4/24/2015 8:09 AM, Stephen Farr

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 24/04/15 13:30, Justin Richer wrote: >> > > OK, so are you asking for something like: > > "If the server supports an update mechanism such as [Dyn-Reg-Management] > and a discovery mechanism such as [OIDC-Discovery], then a smart client > could use these components to renegotiate undesirable

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 24/04/15 13:28, Justin Richer wrote: >> > > It can get as bad as the web, which is pretty bad, but I hope we don't > have to point that out in great detail in every RFC that deals with the > web. :) I think the drive-by-download malware example is a good one, and > we could add another concre

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
ake a more > informed registration request. The use of any such management or > discovery system is OPTIONAL and outside the scope of this > specification. > > Does this text work for you? It does, nicely. Thanks, S. > > — Justin > >> On

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-05-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
sufficient to clear the DISCUSS. > > Thanks for your thoughtful review! > — Justin > >> On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 24/04/15 22:27, Justin Richer wrote: >>> Stephen, I’ve worked on t

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-10: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Yes on charter-ietf-oauth-04-00: (with COMMENT)

2016-01-19 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-oauth-04-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with

Re: [OAUTH-WG] URGENT: WPAD attack exposes URL contents even over HTTPS

2016-07-27 Thread Stephen Farrell
Is there any information as to what percentage of browsers have a vulnerable configuration? That's not clear to me and seems relevant. My impression was that wpad wasn't that widely enabled in browsers nowadays, but that may well be wrong. S. On 27/07/16 01:15, Dick Hardt wrote: > http://arstech

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-01-31 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/02/17 14:58, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 1/31/17 8:26 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
fined. > For all the initial values, that requirement is satisfied, since the > reference will be to the new RFC. I think that aligns with the point > that Joel was making. > > Your thoughts? > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: OAuth > [mailto:oauth-boun...@

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
o match the codepoint. If there's not, I don't see why adding a codepoint is useful. (Esp. if we're at the stage of testing "various iris devices" that I would guess do not get us interop.) Am I missing something? Cheers, S. > > -Original Message-

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
said, I can look at also finding appropriate references for > the remaining values that don't currently have them. (Anyone got a > good reference for password or PIN to suggest, for instance?) > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: Anthony Nadalin Sent: Wedne

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
DISCUSS) > > We have interoped between FIDO authenticators vendors and Windows > Hello > > -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell > [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 > 4:24 PM To: Mike Jones ; Anthony Nadalin > ; joel jaeggli

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
s that some biometrics fit that latter but I could be wrong. If they do, then one runs into the problem of having to depend on magic numbers in the encodings or similar to distinguish which is really error prone and likely to lead to what our learned transport chums are calling ossification;-) Cheers

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwsreq-12: (with COMMENT)

2017-02-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-jwsreq-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
ions that use some of these type-names, but the point of RFCs is not to "bless" such things, but to achieve interop.) " Cheers, S. > > Thanks, -- Mike > > -----Original Message- From: Mike Jones > [mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
e useful to RPs. Slicing things more finely than would be used > in practice actually hurts interop, rather than helping it, because > it would force all RPs to recognize that several or many different > values actually mean the same thing to them. > > > > -- Mike &g

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-07 Thread Stephen Farrell
text. This is such a case - so thanks. > > I'll add this information, which is necessary to understand the > intent, and then republish. Ah good, that explains the disconnect. Cheers, S. > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell > [mailto:ste

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-07: (with COMMENT)

2017-03-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Dave, On 02/06/11 22:16, Dave CROCKER wrote: > Stephen, > > On 6/1/2011 5:16 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> Just on DOSETA - that's not currently got any official >> home in the IETF so its not something that would be right >> to reference at this point (unless

Re: [OAUTH-WG] consistency of token param name in bearer token type

2011-06-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 10/06/11 23:17, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > Extensibility in authentication schemes is a bad thing, given how they are > deployed and the difficulty of changing them. No existing authentication > scheme is extensible (explicitly). Maybe that statement is a tad too general? [1] S. [1] http:

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Proposed OAuth Extensions

2011-06-14 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 14/06/11 06:20, Barry Leiba wrote: > The charter that we discussed here was sent out for internal review on > 31 May, and was approved by the IESG last Thursday -- that should be > officially announced any time now. That charter, if you recall, was > very focused and included milestones for s

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: secdir review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2

2011-09-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
FYI, probably best for the WG to see/process these secdir comments as appropriate. I've not read 'em in detail myself yet, so as Leif says, feel free to react as appropriate. S. PS: Thanks Leif for reviewing this. Original Message Subject: secdir review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Publication requested for draft-ietf-oauth-v2-22

2011-09-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
Thanks Barry and all for getting this to this stage. I'll get you my AD review as soon as I can (though I'll be out of contact next week). We can then kick off the IETF LC assuming all's well. Cheers, S. On 09/22/2011 02:48 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: Stephen, The OAuth working group requests publi

[OAUTH-WG] Chairing change

2011-09-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Now that you've broken the back of the work on oauth 2.0 and before we get into re-chartering discussions, I think its a good time to make any chairing changes that are needed. For a while now, Blaine hasn't really had the required cycles or e.g. travel support to chair an IETF group an

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [Cfrg] Universally Composable Security Analysis of OAuth v2.0

2011-10-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
FYI S. Original Message Subject: [Cfrg] Universally Composable Security Analysis of OAuth v2.0 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:36:48 -0700 From: David McGrew To: c...@irtf.org Of possible interest: a security analysis of draft-ietf-oauth-v2-20 http://eprint.iacr.org/2011/526 _

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-10-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Sorry for having been quite slow with this, but I had a bunch of travel recently. Anyway, my AD comments on -22 are attached. I think that the first list has the ones that need some change before we push this out for IETF LC, there might or might not be something to change as a result o

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Publication requested for draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-12

2011-10-30 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Hannes, Just looking at this now. The tracker [1] WG state shows revised ID needed - was that prior to the publication request or as a result of the comments on the list since you sent me this? If the former, I'll do my AD review now, if the latter then I guess I should wait and review a -13.

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-bearer-13

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, Good work - another one almost out the door! Thanks. However, I think this one needs a revised ID before we start IETF LC. Nothing hard to change I hope, but I think there are enough changes to make that its best done that way. I reckon items 3,5,7-11 and 13 below need fixing, but are I ho

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
h it so long as the set of things that are MTI is clear. Incidentally, I don't believe any amount of +1 messages to your mail answer my point above. As Eran's mail asks: what is it that you're suggesting be MTI for whom? S. regards, Torsten. Am 13.10.2011 19:13, schrieb Stephen

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Agnostic sounds like a fine word. I'd need to have it demonstrated to me that it doesn't mean non-interoperable in this case. S. ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
So perhaps this is the interesting point of difference. On 11/02/2011 08:37 PM, John Bradley wrote: It is up to the server to decide what formats it will support. With IETF protocols, its IETF consensus that decides this in almost all cases that affect interop and it is therefore not up to th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-14

2011-11-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 11/05/2011 07:36 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi all, after a discussion with Stephen we decided that it would be useful to have draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-14 submitted during the blackout period so that we have the most recent feedback incorporated already before the IETF meeting starts

[OAUTH-WG] wg summaries

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Reminder: please send your wg summary messages to saag before the session at 1520! Nea and oauth: I know that's quite demanding Dane: you met Monday :-) Thanks, S. ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] wg summaries

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
oops - meant just for the chairs, apologies. S On 11/17/2011 02:44 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Reminder: please send your wg summary messages to saag before the session at 1520! Nea and oauth: I know that's quite demanding Dane: you met Monday :-) Than

Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 12/01/2011 08:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/1/11 1:09 PM, Rob Richards wrote: On 11/28/11 10:39 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: The OAuth base doc refers in two places to TLS versions (with the same text in both places: OLD The authorization server MUST support TLS 1.0 ([RFC2246]), SHOULD

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Barry, all, First, apologies for being so slow responding, various travels got in the way. I hope we can quickly resolve this now. Bit of process first: at the meeting we discussed this and at the end of that discussion, there were quite a few more folks for the "pick one" position. People who

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
overy stuff in pretty short order I think if we needed to. Really? Doesn't the WG first need to recharter? We're talking about how to get the base spec to be an RFC right now, which is a shorter term thing IMO. S. -bill ________ From: Stephen Farrel

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
for use with OAuth2 seems to be a good way to go. We disagree about that I guess. To me it seems a peculiar way to go unless one assumes that coders write code that's specific to a specific service provider. S. Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2011-12

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 12/02/2011 01:38 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: I echo Justin Richer's comments. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: 1. Should we specify some token type as mandatory to implement? Why or why not (*briefly*)? No. There's no mechanism in the spec for clients to reque

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
too heavy. If the WG do pick an MTI then it does need to be relatively simple. S. ________ From: Stephen Farrell To: Phil Hunt Cc: Barry Leiba; oauth WG Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type On 12/02/2011

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 12/02/2011 01:35 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/01/2011 05:23 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: E.g. MAC tokens work well for non-TLS protected resources. Bearer tokens in contrast are easier to use, but require TLS protected service to avoid theft-of-credential. So picking is a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 12/02/2011 02:14 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 12/02/2011 01:38 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: So an MTI token type + no client preference is equivalent to there only existing one token type. Maybe. However, no MTI token type

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Barry, On 12/02/2011 03:20 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: Maybe what would work best is some text that suggests what I say above: that toolkits intended for use in implementing OAuth services in general... implement [X and/or Y], and that code written for a specific environment implement what makes

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
FWIW, if Barry's suggested text was amended to say "MUST do bearer, MAY do mac" I'd still be ok with that. Much as I'd like if the mac scheme were more popular, my comment on -22 was interop and not really security related. S On 12/04/2011 01:15 PM, Paul Madsen wrote: Commercial OAuth authori

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
ld be completely silent on MAC, as it is not ready for prime time. -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:20 AM To: Paul Madsen Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandato

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
rds something self-consistent. Again though, that's also not the current issue under discussion, and in that case, I guess there is (or was, seems quiet now) a re-chartering thread that seems appropriate for that topic. Cheers, S. EHL -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.o

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory to Implement & Interoperability

2011-12-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hannes, I don't see any proposed text here, I see re-chartering suggestions. The latter is not going to happen if the current main documents are wedged. Please focus on the former now. You know that I disagree with you and a number of WG participants about this, so no need for me to repeat myse

Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base

2011-12-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
aint-Andre Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:59 PM To: Stephen Farrell Cc: Barry Leiba; oauth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base On 12/1/11 1:57 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 12/01/2011 08:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/1/11 1:09 PM, Rob Richards wro

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 12/18/2011 07:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: Closing out this issue: 7.2 Access Token Implementation Considerations Access token types have to be mutually understood among the authorization server, the resource server, and the client -- the access token issues the token, the resource server va

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part I)

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
ds resolve themselves) is the way to go. Thanks, S. On 01/20/2012 11:47 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM List 1 - Fairly sure these ne

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Same response as for part I from me, S On 01/21/2012 01:04 AM, Eran Hammer wrote: -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM Suggested non-trivial clarifications

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part III)

2012-01-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
As before, Thanks S On 21 Jan 2012, at 02:53, Eran Hammer wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Stephen Farrell >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth specs in IETF last call

2012-01-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/23/2012 05:11 PM, Mike Jones wrote: FYI, the OAuth Core and Bearer specifications have reached IETF last call status - the last step before becoming RFCs. See the following notes from the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG). Not quite the last step. There may be directorate re

Re: [OAUTH-WG] REVISED Last Call: (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
Folks, The OAuth bearer and base last calls had to be re-done since I forgot to include some downref information. Other than adding a day to IETF LC, there should be no other difference. Sorry about that. S On 01/24/2012 03:00 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Web

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt

2012-02-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
vious reference to RFC 2818 was changed to RFC 6125 in draft 14 at the request of Security Area Director Stephen Farrell. I've quickly chatted with Stephen and he said that he only asked the question and didn't necessarily instructed the WG to do the change from RFC 2818 to RFC 6125. Keepi

[OAUTH-WG] New co-chair for OAuth

2012-02-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, As some of you will have noticed Barry will be taking over as an IETF applications area director in Paris which means that he'll no longer be able to help out as OAuth chair after that. However, we've been quite lucky in that Derek Atkins (cc'd) has agreed to help out along with Hannes

Re: [OAUTH-WG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-24.txt

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Thanks Eran, A question... Is this text in 3.1.2.5 correct? If third-party scripts are included, the client MUST NOT ensure that its own scripts (used to extract and remove the credentials from the URI) will execute first. "MUST NOT ensure" is a really odd construct. Maybe s/NOT//

[OAUTH-WG] progressing base and bearer

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
First, thanks all, but especially editors and chairs, for your efforts on these. I'll be putting them on an IESG telechat agenda very shortly. That'll be for after the Paris meeting though, but only because we have a monster 700 pages of I-Ds to go through for next week's telechat due to outgoin

Re: [OAUTH-WG] ID Tracker State Update Notice:

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 03/08/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Jones wrote: Hi Stephen, I wanted to verify that, despite this state change, that it's still OK for me to make the editorial change suggested by the WG to the Bearer spec to change the b64token example. Sure. Changes the WG want that don't conflict wit

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2-25

2012-04-10 Thread Stephen Farrell
FYI in case some aren't on i...@ietf.org Having responses to these before Thursday would be good. Its often the case that some AD will turn some of these points into a DISCUSS so good to know what can be cleared up easily and what might need further discussion before the telechat. S O

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 04/12/2012 12:00 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi all, > > those who had attended the last IETF meeting may have noticed the ongoing activity in the 'Applications Area Working Group' regarding Web Finger. > We had our discussion regarding Simple Web Discovery (SWD) as part of the re-chart

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi All, So Hannes and Derek and I have been discussing this with the Apps ADs and Apps-area WG chairs. I've also read the docs now, and after all that we've decided that this topic (what to do with swd and webfinger) is best handled in the apps area and not in the oauth WG. The logic for that is

[OAUTH-WG] web sso study...

2012-04-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, A recent news article [1] was brought to my attention this week that's about a paper [2] which I've just read. While it mostly deals with implementation and integration flaws, I'm wondering if there's anything in there that could benefit any of the oauth drafts. Anyone had a look at that

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 04/20/2012 03:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > Why not MUST ASN.1 while you're at it? JSON has won in case > you'all haven't noticed it. Well, I also remember when XML won over ASN.1, or was that some RPC thing? Seems like a new format wins about every five years or so, once the last winner

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Internal WG Review: Recharter of Web Authorization Protocol (oauth)

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
us: Active > Last updated: 2012-05-03 > > Chairs: > Hannes Tschofenig > Derek Atkins > > Security Area Directors: > Stephen Farrell > Sean Turner > > Security Area Advisor: > Stephen Farrell > > Technical Advisor: > Peter Saint-Andre > &

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 05/09/2012 08:34 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: >> Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to >> standards you might implement. My only point is, this group is not >> qualified to comment on IPR matters. > > The IETF gets

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 05/09/2012 09:31 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: >> > > That's not what I read Eran as asking for: > > "So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct?" Eran is right about the kinds of discussion I mentioned as not being for the WG. This is all business as usual, the rules are in RF

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Internal WG Review: Recharter of Web Authorization Protocol (oauth)

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
not sufficiently familiar with the current state of play to include "JSON-based" so I've left that out. > Typo: Change "a authorization" to "an authorization". Ta, S. > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- &g

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-threatmodel-05

2012-05-28 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, I've gotten the publication request for oauth-threatmodel so here's my AD review of -05. Its quite a read (and a good one) but I've a bunch of questions. Some of these will need fixing I suspect but a lot are ok to fix later after IETF LC, depending on whether the authors want to re-spi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-threatmodel-05

2012-06-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
Torsten. > > Am 28.05.2012 20:34, schrieb Stephen Farrell: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've gotten the publication request for oauth-threatmodel >> so here's my AD review of -05. >> >> Its quite a read (and a good one) but I've a bunch of >>

[OAUTH-WG] 2nd IETF LC on oauth bearer document

2012-06-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Just so's you know, I've requested the additional IETF LC on the oauth bearer draft. This is because a reviewer after the previous IETF LC and after the IESG telechat noticed some IPR and did the right thing. I think we're close enough to done that folks can make their evaluations of wh

[OAUTH-WG] discusses on oauth-v2 cleared

2012-06-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Just to let you know that all discusses on draft-ietf-oauth-v2 have now cleared. So that means that when the chairs tell me you've finished the last few updates needed, I can shoot this on to the RFC editor (as long as you don't mess about adding crazy stuff:-). Let's get this one out th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Name spelling nit in acknowledgments

2012-06-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 06/15/2012 07:54 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Bearer acknowledges Bill de hÓra. Core acknowledges Bill de hOra. Which is > correct? Bill may correct me but I believe the former is correct but can't be represented in ASCII so the latter is what you ought use. S

Re: [OAUTH-WG] FW: Pete Resnick's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2012-06-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, As you noted this is under way. When I mailed tlr I asked for two weeks from the 13th, which co-incides with the end of the IETF LC caused by the IPR declaration, so it should be fine. Cheers, S. On 06/18/2012 07:08 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Pete is holding his DISCUSS o

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-02

2012-06-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, Many thanks for a nice short document! I've a few questions though and suspect that a quick re-spin might be needed, but let's see what the wg think about 'em first. (1) Why Informational? Everything else at that level seems to be specified in a standards track or BCP level RFC, and IETF Co

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-02

2012-06-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 06/20/2012 05:14 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Per your question (5) Stephen, possibly see the registrations in > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-12#section-6. > Authors, maybe using one of these as an example would help? Thanks Mike, that answers the question. I can't s

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-02

2012-06-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
ack. Responses are inline. > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Many thanks for a nice short document! > > If only they could all be so short right? :) > >> I've a few questions though and suspect

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-02

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 21 Jun 2012, at 19:29, Barry Leiba wrote: >>> (1) Why Informational? Everything else at that level seems to >>> be specified in a standards track or BCP level RFC, and IETF >>> Consensus is required. [1] I think you have to do this as >>> standards track. Did I miss something? >>> >> Standa

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