Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-08 Thread Peter Tribble
Adam, I think somebody already mentioned this, but the address shouldn't be > abuse@ which is a well-known email address designed for something else. > > [...] > I replaced it with cond...@openindiana.org. Are you OK with that? > Yes, I'm happy with that. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribb

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-08 Thread Bruce Lilly
This thread popped up today in my Spam folder, so out of curiosity I read through the whole thing to see why. No spam, but more than enough vitriol to last a lifetime -- if this is a "community" it is surely headed for disaster. I have read both of the drafts at https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Cod

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-08 Thread Adam Števko
Hi Peter, > I think somebody already mentioned this, but the address shouldn't be > abuse@ which is a well-known email address designed for something else. The abuse@ is general address to report any kind of abuses widely used in ISP space. These addresses are mostly obtainable via WHOIS or look

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 02/08/2016 10:52, Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev wrote: Вторник, 2 августа 2016, 8:43 UTC от "Udo Grabowski (IMK)" : On 18/07/2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: Hello, As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce o

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Fabrizio Chierzi
Hi to everybody, my name's Fabrizio Chierzi and I'm an Italian Unix Fan from the late 80's. I was very kind of OpenSolaris during its existence, I was very sad about its ending, but I was very happy when I heard about OpenIndiana and Illumos projects. I subscribed myself to the mailing list of that

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev
>Вторник, 2 августа 2016, 8:43 UTC от "Udo Grabowski (IMK)" >: > >On 18/07/2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: >> Hello, >> >> As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure >> for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI >> developers the adop

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 18/07/2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: Hello, As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev
> Why in God's name are such 100% clear capitalist commercial advertisemnets by >> non-code-contributors not a problem? > >Please be aware that, as a (co-)owner of a company, I am required by >German law to give certain information about that company in all email >communications that could be cons

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-02 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Hello all! Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev writes: > Unbelievable and I won't comment on that any further, except: > > > > > Понедельник, 25 июля 2016, 10:01 UTC от Volker A. Brandt : > > -- > > Volker A. Brand

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev
I forgot one point: Mathematically there is _no_ logical difference in "creating a new document to website" versus "modifying an existing document on the website". Anybody who ever used diff knows this as well. But that's all I have to say about it. No another thing even: People make mistake

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Мартин Бохниг via oi-dev
I only wanted to have a quick look how far Intel-KMS has been merged in after I sent the diffs around via private mails about 2 or 3 weeks ago (never heard anything since then, except for my friend Gabriele aka XStreamOS - who also accepted the diffs from me). Really had no time to read mailing

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread WebDawg
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Alan Coopersmith < alan.coopersm...@oracle.com> wrote: > On 08/ 1/16 03:01 PM, WebDawg wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Alan Coopersmith < >> alan.coopersm...@oracle.com >> > wrote: >> >> On 08/ 1/16 07:13 AM, WebDa

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 08/ 1/16 03:01 PM, WebDawg wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Alan Coopersmith mailto:alan.coopersm...@oracle.com>> wrote: On 08/ 1/16 07:13 AM, WebDawg wrote: Do you really want a group of people assigned to disciplining people, in the dark? How about anonymous com

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread WebDawg
It sound On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Alan Coopersmith < alan.coopersm...@oracle.com> wrote: > On 08/ 1/16 07:13 AM, WebDawg wrote: > >> Do you really want a group of people assigned to disciplining people, in >> the >> dark? How about anonymous complaints, but on an open forum? There >> sho

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 08/ 1/16 07:13 AM, WebDawg wrote: Do you really want a group of people assigned to disciplining people, in the dark? How about anonymous complaints, but on an open forum? There should be a POC to complain, but if you want the project to be 'open' should not every thing be open? Not necessa

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 4:13 PM, WebDawg wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Adam Števko wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> any more comments on this? >> >> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals - Modified >> proposed version >> http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Peter Tribble
Adam, any more comments on this? > > http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals - Modified > proposed version > I think somebody already mentioned this, but the address shouldn't be abuse@ which is a well-known email address designed for something else. There ought to be some detai

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread WebDawg
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, > > any more comments on this? > > http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals - Modified > proposed version > http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953 - > Nikola’s version > > Cheers, > Adam > > > D

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-08-01 Thread Adam Števko
Hello, any more comments on this? http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals - Modified proposed version http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Aurélien Larcher
À mar. juil. 26 20:49:56 2016 GMT+0100, Michael Kruger a écrit : > On 07/26/2016 09:58 AM, WebDawg wrote: > > > > > For instance in this response: > > > > "No unfinished half-things should be put on site like this." > > > > Is this a decision that needs decided still? Is there a consensus in an

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Michael Kruger
On 07/26/2016 10:00 AM, WebDawg wrote: Is there anyway to tag this work so I know who made it. One person announced it but I do not know who is on board, and who helped create it? Hi Webdawg, The document was a collective effort between Alp, Aurelien, Adam, and myself. We all provided ideas

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Michael Kruger
On 07/26/2016 09:58 AM, WebDawg wrote: For instance in this response: "No unfinished half-things should be put on site like this." Is this a decision that needs decided still? Is there a consensus in any direction that http://www.openindiana.org/community/ is for drafts or not for drafts?

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Michael Kruger
On 07/26/2016 09:44 AM, WebDawg wrote: Can someone tell me which wiki/web page we are supposed to be looking at? http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread WebDawg
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Bob Friesenhahn < bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Adam Števko wrote: > > Hello, >> >> As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance >> structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf >> of OI

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread WebDawg
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Nikola M wrote: > > On 07/19/16 12:05 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi all, > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: >> >> > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of >> >> Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread WebDawg
Can someone tell me which wiki/web page we are supposed to be looking at? http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953 Also, This is the second time that this ar

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 07/26/2016 04:31 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > In other words: a text does not help, but giving only wise people the power > to > snub people will do. That won't help either if the wise people won't act. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the afterm

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Aurélien Larcher wrote: > Noboby wants things to escalate. Whether a code of conduct helps or not depends on how it is managed. If an empowered maintainer likes to kick off a person, he will usually bend the rules until they fit. Also note that I've seen many discussions where the wrong peopl

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Aurélien Larcher
À mar. juil. 26 00:14:52 2016 GMT+0100, Nikola M a écrit : > On 07/26/16 12:47 AM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > If I can explain another/a last time: there is no censorship as you were > > asked to put your draft alongside the original proposal, kept for reference. > > There will be one final Co

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/26/16 12:47 AM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > If I can explain another/a last time: there is no censorship as you were > asked to put your draft alongside the original proposal, kept for reference. > There will be one final Code of Conduct but there can be several strains to > serve as basis, a

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Aurélien Larcher
À lun. juil. 25 21:41:32 2016 GMT+0100, Nikola M a écrit : > On 07/25/16 12:01 PM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > > Dear Nikola! > > > > > >> I just received threats from Adam in the form of "warning", > > [...] > > > >> On personal level, it hurts more to recognize that long-standing, > >> importand

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/25/16 12:01 PM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > Dear Nikola! > > >> I just received threats from Adam in the form of "warning", > [...] > >> On personal level, it hurts more to recognize that long-standing, importand >> and >> capable guy like Adam, makes so much of mistakes and misuse, the minute

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/25/16 02:00 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, > > I restored the copy on different wiki subpage, so people are able to > see it: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals > Instead of reading this fascist BS, you can visit: http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageI

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Adam Števko
Hello, I restored the copy on different wiki subpage, so people are able to see it: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals Cheers, Adam > On Jul 24, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I a

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Dear Nikola! > I just received threats from Adam in the form of "warning", [...] > On personal level, it hurts more to recognize that long-standing, importand > and > capable guy like Adam, makes so much of mistakes and misuse, the minute it > gets > to real community dealings. The same thing

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, I just received threats from Adam in the form of "warning", where he threatens me by forbidding contribution, limiting and deleting accounts and showing in general total not understanding how Wiki works and that no one seeks approval to write artic

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/25/16 10:09 AM, Bart Coddens wrote: > Please Nikola, > > Take your bike out and go for a ride in the countryside. > This everlasting tirade/rant does not help the community or yourself. > Just my 2c, This mesage of yours is off-topic and presents personal trolling. Ine does not need CPE/CoC

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 08:59 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I added draft of proposed CoC to wiki here: > http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals Firstly, there are no "code of conducts" there is one document (that can't be even make active any time soon, but whatever). Secon

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Bart Coddens
Please Nikola, Take your bike out and go for a ride in the countryside. This everlasting tirade/rant does not help the community or yourself. Just my 2c, Bart 2016-07-25 10:05 GMT+02:00 Nikola M : > On 07/24/16 05:40 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > It is only democratic to pull the plug out of

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 05:40 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > It is only democratic to pull the plug out of that page, showing that > unfunished undemocratic documents like that should not have democratic > support at all, promoting autoritarian rula and forcing it. > > Other then that, democratic way could be h

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 08:53 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > > Yes, the wider context exists. The idea is to make every possible step > to move project out of decline. As I see it there is not decline and in the opposite OI hipster is in the best shape in years and getting many new contributions every day. > There

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-25 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 08:20 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hi Till, > > I added slightly modified draft to > http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals and it contains the > sentence you wanted, but slightly modified and expanded: Please don't change name of the document when editing it, for exist

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Adam Števko
Hello everybody, I added draft of proposed CoC to wiki here: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals I modified the Wiki entry to contain both versions. Modified version of initial CoC text contains following changes: - added to "Core principles and expectations:” part: • Alw

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Adam Števko
Hi Peter, > On Jul 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > > Adam, > > Thanks for doing this. In my view, it's long overdue. Thanks for you support. It might be long overdue, but rather late than never. I hope this step will make former developers come back. > Comments below. > > As

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Adam Števko
Hi Till, I added slightly modified draft to http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Code+of+Conduct+proposals and it contains the sentence you wanted, but slightly modified and expanded: Always seek to maintain a welcoming environment for new contributors. • Welcome new people to the project and

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Aurélien Larcher
Le 24 juil. 2016 17:17, Nikola M a écrit : > > On 07/24/16 05:10 PM, Nikola M wrote: > > As long it is there site is under occupation from that troll document. > > And I won't try to change it anymore, since Aurelien objected and want > it unchanged for whatever reason it is... > Wanting to h

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Aurélien Larcher
À dim. juil. 24 17:10:32 2016 GMT+0200, Nikola M a écrit : > On 07/24/16 04:34 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > Bottom line is: you do not modify *existing* content without prior > > discussion. > > Neither adding NEW documents nor editing should go without discussion > In this case new page was

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 05:10 PM, Nikola M wrote: > As long it is there site is under occupation from that troll document. And I won't try to change it anymore, since Aurelien objected and want it unchanged for whatever reason it is... Wanting to have document unchanged is obvious obstacle in community proces

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 04:34 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > Bottom line is: you do not modify *existing* content without prior discussion. Neither adding NEW documents nor editing should go without discussion In this case new page was added out of blue and it denied changing it nad ther IS ongoin discussion o

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Aurélien Larcher
À dim. juil. 24 15:51:36 2016 GMT+0200, Nikola M a écrit : > On 07/24/16 02:00 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Nikola M wrote: > >> On 07/23/16 01:11 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > Web page > http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/24/16 02:00 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Nikola M wrote: >> On 07/23/16 01:11 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Web page http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Nikola M wrote: > On 07/23/16 01:11 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> Web page >>> http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ >>> have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing and >>> contribution to the text. >> A pag

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 01:11 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > Hi, > >> Web page >> http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ >> have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing and >> contribution to the text. > A page should not be modified without discussing with its authors

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 01:11 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > Hi, > >> Web page >> http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ >> have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing and >> contribution to the text. > A page should not be modified without discussing with its authors

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 11:31 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: > I'd add > c. People make mistakes. :-) That is right, that is why people's personalities are not in the focus point and they can change over time. It is expected to make mistakes, all the time, even software makes mistakes not only people :P If ev

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 11:27 AM, Peter Tribble wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Nikola M > wrote: > > On 07/22/16 02:00 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: >> Overall, I'm happy with most of this. It's about the right >> length, as well. > What are you actually ha

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 08:14 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > > +1, this needs to end. As said, there is not ANY value in putting +1 -1, at least is falling from the sky qwith it and not coming back to say anything. Without activating yourself in discussion about Topic, it's meaningless. It is aboput community co

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-24 Thread Nikola M
On 07/23/16 06:01 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 07/21/16 07:47 PM, Nikola M wrote: >> Or someone really thinking that fascist autocracy is a good thing to try >> on OI people. > >> Intentionally not seeing any problems in it induces the question of >> using a brain at all. > > So everyone who di

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 07/23/2016 11:01 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 07/21/16 07:47 PM, Nikola M wrote: >> Or someone really thinking that fascist autocracy is a good thing to try >> on OI people. > >> Intentionally not seeing any problems in it induces the question of >> using a brain at all. > > So everyone wh

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev
I have been deleting this thread since shortly after it began. However, no matter what the topic if Alan has something to say I will read it. I agree entirely with Adam's efforts and Alan's comment. I don't think anything more need be said. ___ oi

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 07/21/16 07:47 PM, Nikola M wrote: Or someone really thinking that fascist autocracy is a good thing to try on OI people. Intentionally not seeing any problems in it induces the question of using a brain at all. So everyone who disagrees with you is a brainless fascist and that's why you'

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Aurélien Larcher
Hi, > Web page > http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/ > have been updated with the latest on-Wiki version with links for editing and > contribution to the text. A page should not be modified without discussing with its authors first and asking for review when applicable. Reworki

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Michael Schuster
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Peter Tribble wrote: > 4. It does not provide a mechanism to manage violations. Such a mechanism > should be confidential. (Confidential, not secret.) Why? > a. Problems can become acrimonious and turn into a flamewar > b. People should be comfortable to report

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Nikola M wrote: > On 07/22/16 02:00 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > > Overall, I'm happy with most of this. It's about the right length, as well. > > What are you actually happy with? > I'm happy with the original document that Adam posted, with the caveat that I thin

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-23 Thread Nikola M
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > Conduct. The draft text for this new documen

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-22 Thread Nikola M
On 07/22/16 02:00 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > Overall, I'm happy with most of this. It's about the right length, as > well. What are you actually happy with? I can say I could be happy with the first affirmative part, that is from the time of original posting changed, but not the second part with r

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-22 Thread Peter Tribble
Adam, Thanks for doing this. In my view, it's long overdue. Comments below. As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure > for the OpenIndiana project, > So, there is a wider context to this. Which is a good thing, but it would be good to have that fleshed out. Not

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Nikola M
On 07/22/16 06:23 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 07/21/2016 09:47 PM, Nikola M wrote: >> All "groups of selected people" are selected based on functions to be >> doing, not selected by the "people" (!) Just to notice, there is a mistake in the text here, made for rush and not being a natural speaker

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 07/21/2016 09:47 PM, Nikola M wrote: > All "groups of selected people" are selected based on functions to be > doing, not selected by the "people" (!) > You are mixing community standards with ruling class fascism. > Democracy and community are going hand in hand, what you are proposing > and su

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Nikola M
On 07/21/16 06:32 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Nikola M wrote: >> >> You can change it further, >> but the whole point is you can't know what you want if you don't even >> look at things that are wrong with the current one. It is regarding >> whole section for "retributals"/tir

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Nikola M wrote: You can change it further, but the whole point is you can't know what you want if you don't even look at things that are wrong with the current one. It is regarding whole section for "retributals"/tirany-inspired/not tolerable unprecise part. I see no probl

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Nikola M
On 07/21/16 03:19 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > I did not have enough spare time to read all the words that you wrote > but upon re-reading various proposals I am Take your time, there are no various proposals, but only one spawned from the original one. http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.a

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
I did not have enough spare time to read all the words that you wrote but upon re-reading various proposals I am still really happy with the text that Adam Števko has proposed. The main thing which is lacking is that there should be a small group of individuals (e.g. 3) nominated by, and selec

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Nikola M
On 07/21/16 04:08 AM, Michael Kruger wrote: > Hello Johan, > > I'm sorry you view the adoption of a Code of Conduct as a slippery > slope leading to an endless set of rules and regulations. And to > anyone else feeling this way you have my sympathies as well. > > In my view I see the project is at

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Piotr Jasiukajtis
I like that, thanks Adam. -- Piotr Jasiukajtis > On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > > Hello, > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure > for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI > developers the adoption of an

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Nikola M
On 07/21/16 02:31 AM, Michael Kruger wrote: > > > Just as the formulation of a mission statement, road map, and a core > governance team help to show the community and world we aren't just > aimlessly trudging on in some unknown direction, the CoC is simply > another tool to provide structure and g

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Johan S via oi-dev
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:08:54 -0400 Michael Kruger wrote: Hi Michael, > > I do hope you'll reconsider and remain with the community. I will remain ... My contributions however will change as no one on earth needs PPC/Mips distcc farm i ll stick to polaris with personnal changes for those archi

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Michael Kruger
On 07/20/2016 06:19 AM, Johan S via oi-dev wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:44:00 +0200 Nikola M wrote: On 07/19/16 02:26 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Michael Kruger
On 07/20/2016 06:13 PM, Adam Števko wrote: What is the desired outcome of a code of conduct? Should it be a set of rules? Or a set of expectations from each other? Is it assumed to be the same for all codes of conducts? If so should we link to that definition? or do we need to define that?

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Nikola M
On 07/21/16 12:13 AM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hi Till, > >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Till Wegmüller wrote: >> >> On 18.07.2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: >>> >>> Please compose your thoughts and comment with as few replies as >>> necessary so the community may solidify the final text of this docu

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Adam Števko
Hi Till, > On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Till Wegmüller wrote: > > On 18.07.2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: >> >> Please compose your thoughts and comment with as few replies as >> necessary so the community may solidify the final text of this document. >> >> Cheers, >> Adam >> > > Hi Adam, H

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Nikola M
On 07/20/16 12:19 PM, Johan S wrote: > > and the future will certainly go this way rule #3137 violates rule #2169 > you're right , i fork from now... Hi, I would take this as your contribution toward things you like or not. We (me, you and everyone) are actually, actively changing the future as we

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Johan S via oi-dev
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:44:00 +0200 Nikola M wrote: > On 07/19/16 02:26 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > > > > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > > behalf of OI developers the adopti

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-20 Thread Till Wegmüller
On 18.07.2016 23:35, Adam Števko wrote: Please compose your thoughts and comment with as few replies as necessary so the community may solidify the final text of this document. Cheers, Adam Hi Adam, Hi Nikola Thanks both of you for the work put into this. Here are my thought and comments:

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/19/16 07:15 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> And actualy 'not be tolerable' is NOT in a sense of OI community. > > http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html - see fallacy #1. > http://www.slideshare.net/dberkholz/assholes-are-killing-your-project > https://www.safaribooksonline.com/li

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > Conduct. The draft text for this new documen

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/19/16 02:26 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > Conduct. The draft text for th

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 07/19/16 02:57 AM, Nikola M wrote: What will not be tolerated: * Open hostility, and or abusive language. * Repeated complaining (rehashing) of closed (decided) issues. * Participants who disrupt the collaborative space, or participate in a pattern of behavior which could be con

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Alexander Pyhalov
Adam Števko писал 19.07.2016 00:35: Hello, As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be found

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Adam Števko wrote: Hello, As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. The draft text for this new document can b

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 07/18/2016 04:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. > The draft text for this new document can be

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Aurélien Larcher
> As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure > for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI > developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. The draft text > for this new document can be found at > http://www.openindiana.org/commu

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/19/16 12:05 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: > Hi all, > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jim Klimov > wrote: > > > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > >> Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be found > >> at http:/

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Michael Schuster
Hi all, On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > >> Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be found > >> at http://www.openindiana.org/community/code-of-conduct/. > >> > [...] > >> > > > >You put things on

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Jim Klimov
19 июля 2016 г. 11:23:45 CEST, Nikola M пишет: >On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: >> Hello, >> >> As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance >> structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the >> behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, I again am sorry this text is not on Wiki, but on site, put there unchangeable. I would like it to be moved away from OI site and put to Wiki for editing for the time being. > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > st

Re: [oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-19 Thread Nikola M
On 07/18/16 11:35 PM, Adam Števko wrote: > Hello, > > As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance > structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the > behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of > Conduct. The draft text for this new documen

[oi-dev] OpenIndiana Code of Conduct

2016-07-18 Thread Adam Števko
Hello, As part of a larger effort at providing a more formal governance structure for the OpenIndiana project, I’d like to announce on the behalf of OI developers the adoption of an OpenIndiana Code of Conduct. The draft text for this new document can be found at http://www.openindiana.org/comm