Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-24 Thread Keith N. McKenna
as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] ... there is a complete Getting Started Guide or AOO v3.4. The chapters are complete and waiting for review. [ ... ]

Re: Cancel Request for lazy Consensus. Was Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO)

2012-09-24 Thread Kay Schenk
On 09/23/2012 03:13 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on much feedback it appears that my enthusiasm got a little wild and that re Reguest for lazy consensus was not the right approach. Well I'm not sure I would say this...but... Given that I hereby Rescind the Request or Lazy Consensus

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Juan C. Sanz
as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Rob Weir
] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Kay Schenk
this. -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Keith N. McKenna
of duplicate effort as well. I'm aligned with that direction. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Keith N. McKenna
coming from someone with your stature and experience with the project. Regards Keith -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] As a process engineer I appreciate that; all overhead does is add to the cost with often minimal benefit. After a fairly decent night sleep and some further reflection I had though that it might be better to cancel

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, September 23, 2012 12:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] ... there is a complete Getting Started Guide or AOO v3.4. The chapters are complete and waiting for review. [ ... ]

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Keith N. McKenna
. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] ... there is a complete Getting Started Guide or AOO v3.4. The chapters are complete

Cancel Request for lazy Consensus. Was Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO)

2012-09-23 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Based on much feedback it appears that my enthusiasm got a little wild and that re Reguest for lazy consensus was not the right approach. Given that I hereby Rescind the Request or Lazy Consensus on the documentation and will proceed to JFDI. For any that are interested in helping with this

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted. It offers 3 scenarios or the creation

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 9/22/12, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: So I suppose what is being asked for is consensus that there will not, at this time, be any separate effort inside of the Apache OpenOffice project and the project will look to relying on the ODFAuthors site for emergence of updated User Guides. Exactly, this is how I

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Rob Weir
: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Juan C. Sanz
El 22/09/2012 16:47, Keith N. McKenna escribió: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Keith N. McKenna
as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] In other words, that a non-existent effort in the project not be started to compete with the non-existent effort at ODFAuthors? IMHO this not the ideal use of lazy consensus. You

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
aligned with that direction. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO Keith N

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-20 Thread RGB ES
2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted. It

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 17/09/2012 Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a says --- For the purposes of being a dependency to an Apache product, which licenses are considered to be similar in terms to the Apache License 2.0?

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread RGB ES
2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Keith N. McKenna
RGB ES wrote: 2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Kay Schenk
On 09/15/2012 06:18 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted. It offers 3

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Kay Schenk wrote: On 09/15/2012 06:18 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread RGB ES
2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net As an aside, is there a developer snapshot available or 3.5 yet? I would like to start work on the Getting Started Guide on the ODFAuthors site and it makes sense to make edits based on 3.5 since that will be the most likely next release.

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Keith N. McKenna
RGB ES wrote: 2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net As an aside, is there a developer snapshot available or 3.5 yet? I would like to start work on the Getting Started Guide on the ODFAuthors site and it makes sense to make edits based on 3.5 since that will be the most likely

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread TJ Frazier
On 9/16/2012 14:04, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: On 09/15/2012 06:18 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
as a community want for user documentation or AOO On 9/16/2012 14:04, Keith N. McKenna wrote: [ ... ] Hi, Keith, As a long-time volunteer with ODFA (formerly OOA), I can promise that we (AOO) can get documents from them. The cost of this option is (1) a legal review and approval of CC-BY v3; (2) some

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Dave Barton
Original Message From: Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:18:34 -0400 Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: TJ Frazier wrote: As a long-time volunteer with ODFA (formerly OOA), I can promise that we (AOO) can get documents from them. The cost of this option is (1) a legal review and approval of CC-BY v3; (2) some storage

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Kay Schenk
On 09/16/2012 03:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: TJ Frazier wrote: As a long-time volunteer with ODFA (formerly OOA), I can promise that we (AOO) can get documents from them. The cost of this option is (1) a legal review and

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Dave Barton wrote: Original Message From: Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:18:34 -0400 Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:48:14PM +0200, Dave Barton wrote: In order to avoid confusion I believe we should define documentation in the form that I believe you are referring to. I see this as documentation made available to end users, separate from, but in sync with, that which forms part of

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
on ASF servers. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 19:03 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO [ ... ] Scenario 2

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread jsmith321
You are failing to realize that when a user has only Java 6.35 or above installed on their system, they can't use wizards. When they click Help to figure out why, they can't use that either. Why? Because msvcr100.dll is not included in your packaged release, and help within Open Office relies on

[User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-15 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted. It offers 3 scenarios or the creation of the docs. I