Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread David Chan
PING is now called Indivo (http://indivohealth.org/) and the recent conference generated a lot of interests: http://www.pchri.org/2006/ Best regards, David David H Chan, MD, CCFP, MSc, FCFP Associate Professor Department of Family Medicine McMaster University - Original Message From:

Re: Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Churches
Thomas Beale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Things are extremely clear. > >> 1. Ocean informatics open source is all on subversion servers on > >> http://svn.openEHR.org, and have been for some years. > > > > This requires a user name and password. This does not at all seem > extremely > > clear.

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Fred Trotter
> Fred, > if you were to spend 5 minutes to actually have a look at the site > (which I agree is not wonderful, but it isn't impenetrable either), then > you would find that under the "projects" menu you could access pages > like the following: > http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge_tools_java/TRUNK/pr

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Thomas Beale wrote: > Seref Arikan wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> Sorry I was not clear about the issue. I was hoping that there is an >> existing proof of concept application for the mentioned test repository. >> Since the repository can be the source for a "clinical document" as >> referred in the

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Fred Trotter wrote: >> Things are extremely clear. >> 1. Ocean informatics open source is all on subversion servers on >> http://svn.openEHR.org, and have been for some years. >> > > > This requires a user name and password. This does not at all seem extremely > clear. > Fred, if you were t

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Seref Arikan wrote: > Hi Tim, > Sorry I was not clear about the issue. I was hoping that there is an > existing proof of concept application for the mentioned test repository. > Since the repository can be the source for a "clinical document" as > referred in the CDA docs, any simple application

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: > Thomas Beale wrote: > >> Things are extremely clear. >> 1. Ocean informatics open source is all on subversion servers on >> http://svn.openEHR.org, and have been for some years. >> > > Thomas, > > What is the user name and password needed to access the above Subversio

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Seref Arikan
Hi Tim, Sorry I was not clear about the issue. I was hoping that there is an existing proof of concept application for the mentioned test repository. Since the repository can be the source for a "clinical document" as referred in the CDA docs, any simple application would do fine. I just wanted

Re: [openhealth] Re: Datamodels was Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
I think you are making this far more complex than it needs to be. All open source software done under the openEHR Foundation is on the openEHR website, and available under the licenses described here http://www.openehr.org/about_openehr/t_licensing.htm For software, the license is the Mozilla

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Churches
Fred Trotter wrote: > What we, as the community need from Ocean Informatics is a very clear > commitment about > >- What you are releasing open source >- When you will be releasing it >- What license it will be under >- Where it can be downloaded >- What you are not releasing o

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
mspohr wrote: > Yes, thank you. It does clarify things. > I think we all need to understand the difference between an open > standard and open software. > If I understand correctly, your software is based on an open standard > that anyone can use for interoperability. This is good. The software

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Churches
Thomas Beale wrote: > Things are extremely clear. > 1. Ocean informatics open source is all on subversion servers on > http://svn.openEHR.org, and have been for some years. Thomas, What is the user name and password needed to access the above Subversion server? Tim C

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Fred Trotter
> > > Things are extremely clear. > 1. Ocean informatics open source is all on subversion servers on > http://svn.openEHR.org, and have been for some years. This requires a user name and password. This does not at all seem extremely clear. 2. all Ocean's products are based directly on the openEH

Re: [openhealth] Re: Datamodels was Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Fred Trotter
Tim, Thanks for the clarification. This is obviously a complex issue, and my comments may not completely apply given the disctinction between a standard and software. Still what I would really like out of this discussion is for the relationship between the community and the openEHR proj

[openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread mspohr
Yes, thank you. It does clarify things. I think we all need to understand the difference between an open standard and open software. If I understand correctly, your software is based on an open standard that anyone can use for interoperability. This is good. The software itself to access this op

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Cook
Seref Arikan wrote: > > > Hi > Thanks anyway, having some CDA docs to play around sounded very > attractive, at least I tried :) > regards > Seref > I wonder if you understand that "having some CDA docs to play around" is not a computable approach? CDA documents are created 'by restriction' w

[openhealth] Re: Datamodels was Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Cook
Hi Fred (and all), While I do not in any way officially speak for openEHR.org, Ocean Informatics, or other openEHR developers; I must say that I think there is some confusion over the differences between the specification and the software and maybe even what openEHR is and is not. openEHR is

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Fred Trotter wrote: > > What we, as the community need from Ocean Informatics is a very clear > commitment about > > >- What you are releasing open source >- When you will be releasing it >- What license it will be under >- Where it can be downloaded >- What you are not releasin

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
mspohr wrote: > Thomas, > We don't want to argue about open source. We just want a clear > statement from you. > > Is your software open source? > > If yes, then there should be a place where we can download the source > with a GPL type license. > > If no, then this is a proprietary system and y

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: > Thomas, the full text of the paragraph from my post which you quote is: > "However, after nearly 10 years of work on openEHR, or over 15 years if > you include work on GEHR (Good Electronic Health Record, which was its > conceptually similar predecessor), there is still no com

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Seref Arikan
Hi Thanks anyway, having some CDA docs to play around sounded very attractive, at least I tried :) regards Seref Thomas Beale wrote: > > Seref Arikan wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > At the moment I am working on a project where I need CDA support. Would > > it be possible to get CDA docs from the repos

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Fred Trotter
I have been staying on the sidelines for this one but I think this is an important point that does need clarifiication. You can answer "hybrid". You can say that your product is both an open source and a proprieatary product. What is important it that your company be very clear about what it is c

[openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread mspohr
Thomas, We don't want to argue about open source. We just want a clear statement from you. Is your software open source? If yes, then there should be a place where we can download the source with a GPL type license. If no, then this is a proprietary system and you shouldn't make statements th

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
mspohr wrote: > Thomas, > Just a word of caution on "I don't want to get into arguments about > Open Source"... > It seems that you are asking for help in testing, debugging, and > developing your software but you aren't willing to make this an open > source project (at this time). no, we already

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Churches
Thomas Beale wrote: > Tim Churches wrote: >> their decision to make the intellectual property associated with the >> theoretical underpinnings of openEHR freely available, and to not pursue >> patents on the ideas behind openEHR (some of which are novel, some of >> which are not so novel). >> >> Ho

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Adrian Midgley wrote: > Interested, yes. > Capable ... perhaps less so. > Is Python at all likely? > > I would have to ask an expert about thatTim Cook - are you reading this? > Which end of Australia is it? > happens to be in Adelaide. Performance is acceptable from Turkey and the Nethe

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Seref Arikan wrote: > Hi Thomas, > At the moment I am working on a project where I need CDA support. Would > it be possible to get CDA docs from the repository you've mentioned? Or > what can we do to make it happen if it does not exist at the moment? > the EhrBank openEHR server just does op

Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: > their decision to make the intellectual property associated with the > theoretical underpinnings of openEHR freely available, and to not pursue > patents on the ideas behind openEHR (some of which are novel, some of > which are not so novel). > > However, after nearly 10 years

Re: [openhealth] Re: GPs Revolt

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Beale
Thomas Beale wrote: > I would like to know if anyone here is interested in being able to play > with a demonstration system (located in Australia) over a web-service > (published API); currently you would write C# code against a client-side > DLL - the idea is to use the openEHR repository as a