Re: [openhealth] Should we make FOSS Health conference exclusive?

> Now for the main point of my message. Is it appropriate for me to > make this an invitation-only event, like FOO camp? I could call it > Friends > of Fred or FOF (ok thats a terrible idea). The point is, it would help me > keep the conference size down and ensure that everyone there was

Re: [openhealth] anticoagulation control: software exists?

On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:50:24PM +0200, Philippe Ameline wrote: > Hi Adrian and Karsten, > > Short message just to say that I have already done such a thing > (anticoagulation follow-up) on the Ligne de vie. > I don't know how to share (download and play?) Yes. Putting a link to the download

Re: [openhealth] anticoagulation control: software exists?

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 08:49:02PM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote: > > I'd be interested in collaborating with you on such a thing. > > I will be able to set aside a tiny bit of time for this from > > July on. Would you be interested in gathering notes > > somewhere accessible ? If we properly set th

Re: [openhealth] anticoagulation control: software exists?

> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Adrian Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anticoagulation with Warfarin and similar drugs is an interesting area > > where I think an open soruce system should exist. > > > > It shares with a few other topics the usefulness of exposing patients to > > the num

Re: [openhealth] ECG open hardware device

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:03:47PM -0700, Tony McCormick wrote: > Does anyone know of a open hardware spec for an ECG. http://wiki.atrox.at/index.php/Projekt:EKG/Biosignale http://www.openecg.net http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/ecg_dsp.aspx None seem ready for use, however. There's likely more

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:33:22AM -0400, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > Thanks Karsten, that flew right past me. It would be ironic as Brian > Bray used to work for Microsoft. I didn't know that. It's a small world. Sorry for all the noise, Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

roup runs on: openhealth@yahoogroups.com > Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote: > > > >> Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > >>> > >>> What specifically is being assimilated or owne

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote: > Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > Karsten > > > > What specifically is being assimilated or owned by Msoft or are you just > > making a rhetorical comment? > > Yahoo, groups That's what I was referring to, indeed. Karsten -- GPG key

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:58:01PM -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote: > On the heels of the http://www.openhealthtools.org/ announcement, I > was wondering why I wasn't that excited. Then I remembered the > Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT project back in the mists of time like 8 years > ago that was similar. What

Re: [openhealth] Regarding FOSS Clinical Messaging

> I don't know how you are coding this but to keep you from reinventing the > wheel, you might want to carefully consider using an HL7 interface engine > such as Mirth (mirthproject.org). Does anyone happen to know pointers to decent documentation on Mirth ? Thanks, Karsten -- Ist Ihr Browser V

Re: [openhealth] EGADSS

On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 06:58:42PM +0100, Tim Cook wrote: > Maybe the documentation is not clear. I haven't read what is there I > just know how it operates. > > The concept is that you send a basic set of information (via a CDA > document) and the engine decides, based on the guidelines loaded,

Re: [openhealth] EGADSS

ors, of course). Later on they would re-check implemented guidelines against the current state of affairs. I believe medical students are vastly underutilized in this area (as well as for drug databases). Karsten Hilbert GNUmed project -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346

Re: [openhealth] Re: [FOSS_health] MyGOSSCON 2007 on 6-7 December KL

On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:54:34PM +, Tim Cook wrote: > > Is PCDOM PrimaCare open-source software? If so, where or from whom can > > I obtain a copy of its source code? > > Dr. Cheah, > > I am wondering, especially in your capacity of leadership in OSHCA, why > these seemingly simple questio

Re: [openhealth] Updates on some FOSS projects

Hi David, how can I download and install the drugref drug database and the MyDrugRef data (say, the warnings etc) to use it locally in GNUmed installations ? Thanks, Karsten On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:46:41PM -0800, David Chan wrote: > X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 > S

Re: [openhealth] open standards go well with open source

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:39:00AM -0400, Fred Trotter wrote: > > GNUmed does. It interfaces OpenOffice fairly intimately. > Interesting, can you elaborate? Sure. It's nothing revolutionary in any way. In GNUmed when the user intends to write a letter (or fill in a form, soon) we start OpenOffice,

Re: [openhealth] Experimental OSHCA catalogue of FOSS application for health and healthcare

On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 03:13:03AM -0700, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > That is true. I suspect OIO library has not been > updated for a long time though. That might be true. > Do you know how to set this up? No. > What was used really? OIO is built on Zope. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwk

Re: [openhealth] Experimental OSHCA catalogue of FOSS application for health and healthcare

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:53:22PM -0800, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > Subject: Re: [openhealth] Experimental OSHCA catalogue of FOSS application > for health and healthcare > > > --- Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > it separates the data from the prese

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:16:07AM +1100, Tim Churches wrote: > > The data retrieved from step 4 will be computable data ! Not > > particularly well constrained, but not just image data either. > > Ah, OK. Our problem is that many users only want to record data with a > pen, on paper. No typing,

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 07:25:28AM +1100, Tim Churches wrote: > >> No, we need the data in computable form > > OK, that kills the easy solution. Or it might not. If you > > don't blend both sources of information (background image > > and user input) but rather keep them separate and blend on > >

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 07:04:35AM +1100, Tim Churches wrote: > >> surprisingly tricky and fragile). But it does support dataset > >> versioning, so that the latest version of source data can be loaded into > >> a new dataset in the background while users continue to use an existing > >> dataset,

Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 05:32:54PM +1100, Tim Churches wrote: > surprisingly tricky and fragile). But it does support dataset > versioning, so that the latest version of source data can be loaded into > a new dataset in the background while users continue to use an existing > dataset, and when the

Re: [openhealth] Hi folks..

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:59:38PM +1100, Tim Churches wrote: > Speaking of Python, you might be interested in the GNUmed project, which > also targets primary care settings, and the GNUmed people are very > interested in all sorts of architectural and design issues. Agree. I'm reading this thread

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Conference Topics

On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:43:20PM +1100, Klaus Veil wrote: > Maybe Horst Herb for GNUmed? Horst is long since gone as far as GNUmed and/or DrugRef are concerned. Malaysia is out of the question for me. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E40

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:24:52AM +, 80n wrote: > Is it doable to create new descriptions from just the codes. Unless the > meaning of each code is common knowledge then you have to make recourse to > the original description, which makes your description a derived work at the > very least.

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:54:32PM -0800, Rod Roark wrote: > Even absent the political ramifications, the resulting new system > will have useful applications. A billing service accepting the new > codes would still need CPT licensing, You guys need to keep straight what you are talking about. At

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 02:16:32PM -0700, David Forslund wrote: > I think the issue is bigger than that. The AMA has a legal agreement > with CMS/HCFA for reimbursement of CPT codes. If the code isn't an > "official" CPT code, then reimbursement would be denied by CMS, > even if you weren't sued

Re: [openhealth] an actual need of the class we should be about to solve

Answering from a GNUmed perspective: > It's 4 Drs - 2 GP's a Staff grade & a consultant. Multi-user seeing the same patient over time. No problem. > We would need to arrange appointments for pts - perhaps at 4 or more > sites, & see pts - ideally in a paper free environment. ... > Where to organi

[openhealth] Dermatology service - GNUmed

I forgot to say, and this may be crucial, GNUmed does NOT offer any billing whatsoever, so far. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346

Re: [openhealth] an element of repeat (refill) prescribing

On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 09:50:39PM +, Adrian Midgley wrote: > Picking out the prescriptions we anticipate being asked for next week is > potentially useful. Sure. > First separating out those which are down to one repeat, or to none and > not yet reauthorised tends to reduce the pressure to

Re: [openhealth] Needed: (mammographic) recall with some tracking

On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:39:25PM -0700, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > I am not so sure of GNUMED regards creation of > customised forms for data entry, We don't have it yet. > particularly in the > new version. Installation maybe easy,The earlier > version was apt-gettable. The currently released

[openhealth] GNUmed 0.2 released

es will be available in 10 days time. Find extensive documentation here: http://wiki.gnumed.de Karsten Hilbert, MD GNUmed developer -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,

Re: [openhealth] Bhaskar will be out of pocket July 9 through July 16

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 05:58:47PM -0600, Tim Cook wrote: > K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > > As a scoutmaster of the troop my younger sons are in, I will be doing my > > part to keep the local insects well fed (sorry, I meant to say camping) > > next week and will be out of pocket July 9 through July 16.

Re: [openhealth] Beyond standards.

On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:01:11AM -0700, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > Thus the necessity to inculcate the need for > interoperability as the most important part of healthcare IT > to politicians. If they insist on it from the top and revise > OMG HDTF with the same enthusiasm Mr Bush promotes V

Re: [openhealth] Re: Nationalized Medicine was: article re IBM and others contributing open source epi and other

On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 07:01:46AM +1000, Tim Churches wrote: > Sorry for my ignorance, but how can govt-funded health insurance/payment > schemes "go bankrupt"? Hehe :-)   The govt itself goes bankrupt but does not know it yet. Look at Germany. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.ne

Re: [openhealth] Re: What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:07:52PM -, sickleofzeus wrote: > Not that I have truly tried this, but being somewhat familiar with the > architectures of OSCAR and GnuMed this cross platform utility is > likely to be true for them as well. True for GNUmed. Tested, not tell-tale. Karsten -- GP

Re: [openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:13:58AM -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote: > Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setups are so common that they have > their own designation, collectively called 'LAMP' applications. Well, LAMP-EMR might do ? Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BE

Re: [openhealth] request for advice re electronic medical record

On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 08:23:29PM -0700, David Chan wrote: > Yes Will, OSCAR is written in Java (and uses MySQL for > its database engine). ... and uses the MyISAM table type by default (as per download today). I wonder why by all means ?!? Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E1

Re: [openhealth] Re: request for advice re electronic medical record

On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 10:24:33PM -, sickleofzeus wrote: > I lurked on the GnuMed developers mailing list for a long time.  After > many months, I finally got tired of waiting for your team to decide > that you could call GnuMed anything more than "pre-alpha". Well, most people only ever t

Re: [openhealth] Re: request for advice re electronic medical record

On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 10:48:42PM -, sickleofzeus wrote: > I have installed or attempted to install all of the open source > electronic health records that I have been able to find > This includes ... GnuMed ... > I have thoughts on all of these projects in terms of what I liked, > diffi

Re: [openhealth] request for advice re electronic medical record

a view on the data.  THis allows single data > entry for multiple purposes and facilitates reporting on that data. Where can we take a look at the database schema ? Any URL ? Thanks, Karsten Hilbert -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD  4537 78B9 A9

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA Membership question

On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 07:35:47AM +1000, Tim Churches wrote: > I can't think of a > single health-related FOSS project that has written its own operating system, > or its own database management system TkFP scores on the latter > or its own programming language and associated libraries The in

Re: [openhealth] Framework for interoperability between existing softwares

Morgan, > There is another group, based out of Canada, that is working similarly to > the CCR. The electronic medical summary (www.e-ms.ca) is an HL-7 CDA for > transferring a limited data set between systems (Demographics, Problems, Med > / Surg Hx, Medications, Allergies, Immunizations, labs, e

Re: [openhealth] Framework for interoperability between existing softwares

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:10:38PM -0500, Sean Doyle wrote: > Physicians that I've spoken with are very wary of information being imported > into their system without their knowledge/approval. If I'm at hospital X in > the ER and someone sends me a very long medical record for a patient the > last

Re: [openhealth] Drug Database was:OSCAR passed!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:17:08AM -0700, David Forslund wrote: > In any case, my question is "is the data provided with > the DrugRef software the Canadian specific data ..." The data that *OSCAR* provides *for use in* a drugref server appears to be the Canadian specific data. Wording it the ot

Re: [openhealth] Drug Database was:OSCAR passed!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:43:51AM -0800, Tim Cook wrote: > You are both correct. However, having previously attempted to get > permission for use outside of the Canada, UK, Australia for things that > were Crown Copyright proved unsuccessful. Aha ! I understand. Thanks for sharing your experien

Re: [openhealth] Drug Database was:OSCAR passed!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 09:35:48AM -0700, David Forslund wrote: > "The Drug Product Database (DPD) system captures information on Canadian > human, > veterinary and disinfectant products approved by the Drugs Programme for use > in Canada." > > So its use outside of Canada may be problematic in

Re: [openhealth] Drug Database was:OSCAR passed!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:21:18AM -0800, Tim Cook wrote: > Please note that the copyright statement is quite clear about use > outside of Canada. > > > Copyright > Drug Product Database. © Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canad

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:11:23AM -0500, Robert C James wrote: > Karsten, > > My only point was to draw a firm distinction between HbA1C and blood glucose > as > measured by glucometer. I know. > It would be invalid to to call the area under the > curve of blood glucose (as measured by blood gl

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:34:33AM -0500, Robert C James wrote: > HbA1C is a measure of the % of Adult type 1c red blood cells that are bound to > glucose. Glucomers measure something different "blood glucose" a distinct > concept. No question about that. > For type II diabetes, and despite all

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 04:09:36PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > > The other interesting graph is surely HbA1c over > > longer time spans which documents how good blood glucose > > control is *on average*. > > I asked my diabetes nurse about calculating an approximate HbA1c value > myself, and she s

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 07:06:23PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > I've tried to write up what's been discovered so far onto some web pages. > > The pages are slightly unclear, and incomplete. However I think I've got > enough down there that someone can write code to extract valid blood glucose > read

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 07:06:23PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > I've tried to write up what's been discovered so far onto some web pages. > They're currently at: > > I can't access that page ... Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:20:18PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: >>> 120051010\x0918:56\x09XC0824-0109 133-113-04\x0d\x0354\x0d\x0a >> that's: >> >> 1 MM DD HHMM:SS serial # padding with blanks checksum> >> > > The serial number on the back of the meter only mentions XC0824-0109 I

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:20:18PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > > I suggest XORing the data with/without the control characters. > > That occurred to me too, but recall the result is 16-bits wide. No amount of > XORing 8-bit values will produce a result with stuff in the top byte. > > I tried doin

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:28:59PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > As far as I can see, the structure of these checksums is the same - two > bytes and then 0x0d 0x0a - as the checksums after the ETX codes. Oh, OK. I didn't realize that. So much the better. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 05:41:59PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > >> "Long" strings contain 0x17 followed by 4 checksum characters This seems to suggest a "simple" checksumming algorithm - a sum or something - such that the value representing the checksum grows in it's need of bytes to represent it. O

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 08:42:48PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > > That's good to know. Is there any documentation around which might tell me > > what to do on receipt of certain codes? No, it's device specific. > (I suspect the final \x0d\x0a are not part of the checksum, since every > checksum I'v

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 06:31:13PM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > The protocol seems to revolve around ASCII control characters 0x02 - 0x06. That's pretty common. > An 0x02 means a string follows, terminated by 0x03 and 4 more characters > (perhaps a checksum). Usually some sort of XOR or CRC16/32/MD

Re: [openhealth] Medisense Optium meters

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:12:05AM +0100, Chris Ridd wrote: > I'd better add the "checksums" I've seen and reused: What happens if you use a wrong checksum ? Do you receive a NAK ? Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -

Re: OpenEMR questions, was: Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:24:13PM +0100, James Brown wrote: > Patient > Problems / episode (active /inactive) > > eg Low back pain > encounter 1 > soap notes >

Re: OpenEMR questions, was: Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 12:32:06PM +0100, James Brown wrote: > ok Karsten its also good to have this relationship but in open emr we do > it by having occurence related to the epiidsode eg > > first occurence , second , third, chronic etc > > this I guess achieves the relationship It does but it

Re: OpenEMR questions, was: Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 09:53:06AM +1000, Thomas Beale wrote: > It > might well be that there is no 'issue' for an encounter - maybe the > person just has a 1-off strep throat infection. Precisely. That's why GNUmed enforces episode association (which may contain just one encounter) of clinical

Re: [openhealth] RE: Opensource HL7 engine

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:09:16PM +0200, Stefano Canepa wrote: > I'm developing a python package to handle HL7. At present I have coded > modules to manage messages, segments and LLP client and server using > twisted networking framework. This is the core of a project I am > developing. I don't l

Re: OpenEMR questions, was: Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:31:31PM +0100, James Brown wrote: > > > > Can clinical information be entered into OpenEMR that is > > > > *not* part of > > > > > > > > - an episode of care ? > > > > - a clinical encounter ? > > if you give me an example of the information Let me paraphrase

OpenEMR questions, was: Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:15:42AM +0100, James Brown wrote: Thanks for answering. The following things I am still interested in: 1) > > Can clinical information be entered into OpenEMR that is > > *not* part of > > > > - an episode of care ? > > - a clinical encounter ? 2) > > What does

Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:48:57AM +0100, James Brown wrote: > > - episodes of care ? > > - clinical encounters ? > > - problem lists ? > > - health issues ? > Open EMR supports these fields we recently customised it to deal > specifically with these problems How does it do that ? Can cl

Re: [openhealth] ClearHealth questions

On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 10:37:16AM -0700, David Chan wrote: > OSCAR's main focus is EMR Does OSCAR support - episodes of care ? - clinical encounters ? - problem lists ? - health issues ? Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -

Re: [openhealth] Glucose meters (Medisense Optium)

Adrian, > There is a page of notes at > http://www.defoam.net/wiki/tavi-0.22/index.php?page=GlucoseMeters Unfortunately, I cannot access that page :-( Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 Yahoo! Groups Sp

Re: [openhealth] Glucose meters (Medisense Optium)

On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote: > SO I have one of the devices here, it has a socket that takes a 6 > conductor cable that goes to an RS232 plug, and I have pySerial loaded > and working. To get *some* idea of how things work in general (but a quite different device

Re: [openhealth] GPLMedicine.org

On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:19:32AM -0700, Fred Trotter wrote: > I know that just about everyone here is a LinuxMedNews regular, and as > a result have seen my announcement there about GPLmedicine.org. I wanted > to let everyone know that GrokLaw has picked up the story, so lots of > people a

Re: [openhealth] Re: openhealth mailing list archive export

> I would like to upload that archive to the "Files" section of our new > Yahoo mailing list (as Tim has done with oshca_charter.txt some days ago), > and to the Res Medicinae website, for backup. The only problem I see > is the archive containing email addresses as clear text. I suppose it is fair