Noticed on the UK RadStats (radical statisticians) mailing list. An
object lesson in what not to do.
Tim C
NHS trusts pay millions in fines
to suppliers of delayed IT system
John Carvel, social affairs editor
Tuesday June 6, 2006
The Guardian
NHS trusts are being made to pay
Wayne WIlson wrote:
Molly sent us this data., which is important enough to restate:
To support our focus on developing countries, the biggest challenge is
equity and the data found in this presentation says it all.
High-income countries:
16% population
7% burden of disease
89% health
in the normal business of OSHCA.
Tim C
Tim.Churches a écrit :
David Forslund wrote:
I apologize for bringing this up, but it does affect my relationship
with OSHCA
since it is being incorporated in Malaysia. I will be unable to support
OSHCA
in Malaysia because of the politics/human rights
David Forslund wrote:
What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia? It has been
quiet for some time now.
My understanding is that the papers have been filed with the relevant
authority and presumably they are being or will soon be assessed and
processed. Meanwhile arrangements
David Forslund wrote:
Tim.Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia? It has been
quiet for some time now.
My understanding is that the papers have been filed with the relevant
authority and presumably they are being
David Forslund wrote:
I apologize for bringing this up, but it does affect my relationship
with OSHCA
since it is being incorporated in Malaysia. I will be unable to support
OSHCA
in Malaysia because of the politics/human rights issues I see happening
in that country.
I am sorry that you
K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
[KSB] ...snip...
contracts (as a software vendor) where the software is FOSS (my company,
Ocean Informatics is offering a GPL or commercial licence choice to
buyers). Anyway, recently we had a conversation during the negotiation
[KSB] I have a minor
Tim.Churches wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
Alvin B. Marcelo wrote:
I agree with Heitzso. ICD-10 suffers from 'usability' issues. Yet
unlike the better systems (ie,
SNOMED) it is freely accessible.
Perhaps OSHCA can make a statement making ICD-10 the 'least common
denominator
ivhalpc wrote:
I wonder how this is all going to end and I fear it will end badly as
in Nationalized medicine in the US when costs continue to climb out of
control because of this kind of insanity.
A bit off-topic, but huh? Why would Nationalised medicine be a bad
ending? No system is perfect,
David Forslund wrote:
Tim Churches wrote:
Despite having one of the highest per-capita spends on healthcare in the
world, the US ranks in the bottom half (and often right at the bottom)
of all OECD countries on just about every health and health outcome
measure, on a population basis.
Molly Cheah wrote:
There doesn't seem to be control of its use. Information (unofficial) of
its copy rights by WONCA is here
http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/copyright-en.html
You can download the electronic version of ICPC2 from here.
http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/ceo.html
When we
Molly Cheah wrote:
http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc
A two-part documentary, “Code Breakers” will be aired on BBC World TV
starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries
are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and
interviews from around the
Tim Cook wrote:
As soon as you start embedding complex data into relational structours
you start losing the ability to recover information.
In the SPECIFIC instance of OSCAR, the act of creating PDF's as data
stores means there is no way to report back out of them so that data
quality/
Bhaskar, KS wrote:
The archive is in the Openhealth group Files area at Yahoogroups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/files/openhealth-list.tar.gz
You will need a Yahoo id attached to the e-mail address with which you
are subscribed to the openhealth list in order to access the
Will Ross wrote:
nandalal,
from the perspective of a simple discussion at a face to face
meeting, this is what is happening:
we have a motion and a second to approve the 1.0 draft of the
constitution. is there any further discussion?
Although there was at least a two week
Thomas Beale wrote:
doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix
this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc?
Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly
between countries - consider, for example:
50 Japanese Yen is only
recall - I
wouldn't trust Yahoo with any real personal details).
Anyway, we can discuss the level of the fees further at the inaugural
meeting - I think Molly's proposed fees are a bit too low.
Tim C
Tim.Churches wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
doesn't the fact of paying the same number
Tim.Churches wrote:
OK. Sorry for suggesting membership fees rather higher than those which
Molly proposes. I have forgotten the password for the Yahoo username
which I used to subscribe to this list, so I have been unable to examine
the draft constitution documents as yet - I have re-applied
Will Ross wrote:
Some last minute suggestions.
ARTICLE 1 - NAME
The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance,
hereafter referred to as OSCHA, and shall be registered in Malaysia.
That is better wording but not really a substantial change - not an
essential
David Forslund wrote:
Alvin,
We had exactly this approach with the OMG HDTF (aka corbamed) in the
late 90's. There are standards there which do exactly this (long
before people thought about doing web services). In addition, this is
now being revisited with the HSSP joint effort of HL7
Tim.Churches wrote:
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
It is indeed most encouraging to see such developments. When I clicked the
screenshots i was taken to the Microsoft web site!!!
Your link should be
http://www.mirrormed.org/fb/
Not
http://http//www.mirrormed.org/fb/
This seems
Tim.Churches wrote:
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
Tim.Churches [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim,
All the following work with Firefox - in that i am taken to the correct
URL!
What were you trying to point out here?
I was pointing out that all of the following work in Firefox
Irving Buchbinder wrote:
A thought about storage for Minoru or upcomming back storage needs:
I can't speak for each project, however, the FreeMED Software Foundation
would be willing to MIRROR such archives, indeed host that sort of activity.
I'm sure we can find groups/Open Source works who
Brian Bray wrote:
Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every
sense of the word) I've received from many others.
Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at
minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to
keep this incredible
Dr Molly Cheah wrote:
Is OSCHA a religious organization or an independent world-wide
technological organization accessible to everyone regardless of
religious conviction? (Tim, you're not making any sense with your star
and crescent comment).
I think Tim was just being cheeky
David Forslund wrote:
Molly,
Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination.
No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings
towards the US which are present and growing in many countries around
the world. Whether this antipathy towards the US is
Richard Schilling wrote:
The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear
indication that they've undermined themselves.
No, Richard. There have been two, quite distinct pro tempore OSHCA
committees. The first one, of which I was a member, was working towards
Thomas Beale wrote:
Tim.Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
Molly,
Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination.
No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings
towards the US which are present and growing in many countries
Richard Schilling wrote:
If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a
day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia. I would do it in the U.S.
first. The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater
than in Malaysia.
Glad that you have compared US
David Forslund wrote:
There may be legal protection, etc in Malaysia.
Not may be, there definitely is. As Molly said, Malaysian law was
originally based on British law - it is now distinct from it, but rest
assured that there is rule of civil law in Malaysia. There is also
corruption and
, or that current
flows to the electric lights, but they're not going to tell you whether
or not a building is structurally sound.
Hence your reference to the tents of eXtreme Programming?
Tim C
--- Tim.Churches [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
Wayne Wilson wrote
Thomas Beale wrote:
Rod Roark wrote:
The point is, open source (as in Free Software) is NOT a business
model. It's a method and end result of collaboration among users.
I make good money at it only because some of those users are willing
to pay me to do the techie work for
Gregory Woodhouse wrote:
On Mar 25, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
and...at the risk of stating the obvious there should be some
mechanism for evaluating the certification authority and the
criteria...
Sadly, I don't know how many people are even thinking in those
Tim.Churches wrote:
Amazon S3 is not strictly open source software but may be of interest to
open source software developers and end-users.
...
So what could S3 be used for?
...
2) As a store-and-forward facility for the exchange of lab results or
other health messages (in encrypted form
Thomas Beale wrote:
Tim.Churches wrote:
Why Wikipedia doesn't have one is a mystery to me. Why it is as good as
it is (however good you think it is) is also a mystery.
It is wrong to think of wikipedia as an open source/open content
project. In fact, it is about 1 million
Fred Trotter wrote:
The current CCHIT pricing module seems biased against any GPL based system.
Fred, you don't think that the CCHIT pricing is biased against software
released under other types of free, open source licenses?
Joseph has already written about this, but I would like for us to
that
interoperability is important in our case either, but will search for a
counter-case to that position before embarking on it in the next few weeks.
Cheers,
Tim C
Tim.Churches wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
We have been using workflow engines for a while
Wayne Wilson wrote:
Boy, is this discussion bringing back old memories, Dave Forslund reminds me
exactly how old later on and I have some inline comments.
Just below, Tom Beale suggests interoperability built on engineering
principles. Some discussion follows about the difficulty of
Bhaskar, KS wrote:
I am forwarding an e-mail from Brian Bray of Minoru Development, where
he evidently expects this list to change its name. I am not a lawyer -
I do not know whether the name of a mailing list can conflict with a
trademark, but I would like to bring his message to the
executive decision makers to read it
because the net effect is more legitimacy for open source solutions
in the enterprise.
[wr]
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On Mar 11, 2006, at 12:44 AM, Tim.Churches wrote:
Maury Pepper wrote:
Tim,
I'd be interested to hear why you feel that way about
Tim.Churches wrote:
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
Will Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim has done a good job of analysing this report.
I only covered 5 paragraphs in one small section of the report - that's
all I have read. There are another 30 pages of it...
I skimmed through some more
Benjamin Jung wrote:
Hello,
I was trying to find a website that lists Open Source Applications used
in Healthcare and their status, e.g. obsolete, beta, stable,... A quick
Google search returned some pages that list applications, but they do
not go into more details. Additionally, most of
Koray Atalag wrote:
but what bothers me
with your recent post though is how this challenge/criticism is made: I am
perfectly happy with criticism in a constructive/respectful and not
neccesarily professional way...This was unfortunately not what happened with
that message :-(
Sorry if I
Tim Cook wrote:
If any of you read The Edge ( http://www.edge.org/ ) you'll be familiar
with John Brockman's annual big question to a chosen group of leading
thinkers.
Many on this mailing list have been working together since 1999 or
before in some cases. I am wondering..in the context
Gregory Woodhouse wrote:
Relying on process and testing as a means of achieving software
quality is an admission of defeat
Um, are you suggesting that the undefeated write software which is
always completely defect-free, without the need for any form of process
and testing?
I agree that
Gregory Woodhouse wrote:
On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Tim.Churches wrote:
Gregory Woodhouse wrote:
Relying on process and testing as a means of achieving software
quality is an admission of defeat
Um, are you suggesting that the undefeated write software which is
always
Koray Atalag wrote:
I was crazy enough to put my personal funds and run
after an RD project to realize this approach; but as
you might guess I failed! Now I do not have a car:(
The World is not ready yetIf you are interested it
is also at SourceForge.Net:
Tim Cook wrote:
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 10:33 +0100, Christian Heller wrote:
However, I think it is time to accept a citation of Wikipedia,
for example. Many profs claim that it were not scientific enough.
Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed in any formal process. All professors
should claim
Thanks to Ken Harvey for the following information. A pity that WHO
does not recognise the role of open source software in establishing
suitable and sustainable health information systems in low and middle
income countries.
Tim C
Ken Harvey wrote:
The latest issue of the Bulletin of the World
openhealth@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hello,
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Fred Trotter wrote:
I know that there is a patent application because the FreeMED project
has disclosed this...
http://www.linuxmednews.com/1098376300/index_html
They may have received a patent already or had it rejected. They have
not recently indicated what the status of the
Fred Trotter wrote:
Tim,
Personally I am opposed to software algorithms and business methods
being patentable at all. But in those unfortunate countries in which
such patents are issued (eg US, Australia, Japan, India), what you
propose is probably OK, provided that universal
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