SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-07 Thread Jordan Brown
Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.70 03/30/10 SMI This information is Copyright (c) 2010, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved. 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: SMB/CIFS Statistics 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Jose B

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-07 Thread Garrett D'Amore
What's missing is an interface table. I think though that based on the statement that its not to be parsed ("for humans only"), the output is not-an-interface. - Garrett On 04/ 7/10 05:51 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.70 03/30/10 SMI This information is C

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-07 Thread Jordan Brown
Garrett D'Amore wrote: What's missing is an interface table. I think though that based on the statement that its not to be parsed ("for humans only"), the output is not-an-interface. Yes. The stability is the same as the existing command: |_|

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-07 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 04/ 7/10 10:47 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: Garrett D'Amore wrote: What's missing is an interface table. I think though that based on the statement that its not to be parsed ("for humans only"), the output is not-an-interface. Yes. The stability is the same as the existing command: |__

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-07 Thread Jordan Brown
Garrett D'Amore wrote: You haven't mentioned anything about underlying kstats. Is this how these stats are implemented? Should that be covered under an ARC case as well (perhaps this one)? Jose is really the one to answer that, but as I'm here at the moment and he's presumably not, I'll tak

RE: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Jose Borrego
From: Jordan Brown [mailto:jordan.br...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:24 AM To: Garrett D'Amore Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010] Garrett D'Amore wrote: You haven&#

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 04/ 8/10 12:07 AM, Jose Borrego wrote: *From:* Jordan Brown [mailto:jordan.br...@oracle.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:24 AM *To:* Garrett D'Amore *Cc:* psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com *Subject:* Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 06:07:53AM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > It would be a good idea to list out the kstats in this case, and > perhaps declare them Project Private if you don't want to commit to > supporting them for 3rd party apps. kstats are scriptable (you can get at them from C, Perl5,

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread John Plocher
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: > long list of stats... I'm running OpenSolaris.recent on my server @home with CIFS, Mac's and PC's. File write access from the clients is slow; it appears that something is timing out (not responding) for every initial save-file request - whic

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:36:15AM -0700, John Plocher wrote: > I presume it is a good thing to have so many stats, and to be able to > inundate the admin with tons of info, but what is missing for me is > the conceptual structure to interpret and utilize all this info and to > actually debug probl

RE: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Jose Borrego
Garrett D'Amore wrote: > It would be a good idea to list out the kstats in this case, and perhaps > declare them Project Private if you don't want to commit to supporting them > for 3rd party apps. I'll add that. - Jose ___ opensolaris-arc mailing li

RE: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Jose Borrego
> -Original Message- > From: Alan Wright [mailto:alan.wri...@oracle.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:38 PM > To: Garrett D'Amore > Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com > Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout > 04/14

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Garrett D'Amore
e at least). - Garrett On 04/ 8/10 02:11 PM, Jose Borrego wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan Wright [mailto:alan.wri...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:38 PM To: Garrett D'Amore Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/201

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Calum Mackay
On 08/04/2010 18:36, John Plocher wrote: I presume it is a good thing to have so many stats, and to be able to inundate the admin with tons of info, but what is missing for me is the conceptual structure to interpret and utilize all this info and to actually debug problems. In ARC-speak, what (w

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Jason King
April 08, 2010 12:38 PM >>> To: Garrett D'Amore >>> Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com >>> Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout >>> 04/14/2010] >>> >>> On 04/ 7/10 10:59 PM, Garrett D'Amore wr

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Alan Wright
On 04/ 7/10 10:59 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On 04/ 7/10 10:47 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> >>> What's missing is an interface table. I think though that based on >>> the statement that its not to be parsed ("for humans only"), the >>> output is not-an-interface. >> >> Y

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-08 Thread Bart Smaalders
On 04/08/10 15:48, Garrett D'Amore wrote: I'd still like a record of the kstats in this case, albeit with Project Private (or Uncommitted) binding. Why bother for Project Private interfaces? Because in this case the kstats are quite visible to end users (as are all kstats) via kstat(1M), and so

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread Alan Wright
11 PM, Jose Borrego wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan Wright [mailto:alan.wri...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:38 PM To: Garrett D'Amore Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010] On 04/ 7/10 1

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread Alan Wright
racle.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:38 PM To: Garrett D'Amore Cc: psarc-...@sun.com; smb-eng...@oracle.com Subject: Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010] On 04/ 7/10 10:59 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On 04/ 7/10 10:47 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: &g

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread James Carlson
On 04/09/10 04:01, Alan Wright wrote: > On 04/ 8/10 03:48 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> So while the list isn't *required*, it *is* desired (by me at least). > > I'm struggling to see the desire for this case to provide that > documentation. This case is documenting a change in smbstat output. >

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread Jason King
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:51 AM, James Carlson wrote: > On 04/09/10 04:01, Alan Wright wrote: >> On 04/ 8/10 03:48 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> So while the list isn't *required*, it *is* desired (by me at least). >> >> I'm struggling to see the desire for this case to provide that >> documentati

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread Jordan Brown
It appears that smb-eng...@oracle.com doesn't get the messages that originate outside the company. We'll have to figure out how to address that, but in the meantime those who are interested might want to review the message log at http://sac.sfbay/PSARC/2010/120/mail ___

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-09 Thread Jordan Brown
Alan Wright wrote: I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. I agree. Note also that some have held that once you have put a Project Private interface into an ARC case, you must run an ARC case to make any changes to it. That seems like inappropriate overhead and a good

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread Alan Wright
On 04/ 9/10 05:51 AM, James Carlson wrote: On 04/09/10 04:01, Alan Wright wrote: On 04/ 8/10 03:48 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: So while the list isn't *required*, it *is* desired (by me at least). I'm struggling to see the desire for this case to provide that documentation. This case is docum

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread Garrett D'Amore
I think you should file changes, but can do so with a self-review case or even just an email update to the original case. So not free, but really cheap. -- Garrett Jordan Brown wrote: >Alan Wright wrote: >> I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. > >I agree. Note al

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread James Carlson
On 04/10/10 09:56, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I think you should file changes, but can do so with a self-review case or > even just an email update to the original case. So not free, but really > cheap. > > -- Garrett What the ARC Interface Taxonomy actually says about Project Private is this:

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread Brian Utterback
On 04/09/10 20:44, Alan Wright wrote: > I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. > The examples in the case material provide way more information > than such a list because they provide context, and one can > always obtain a list by running kstat at the command line. > > If an

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 04/11/10 08:59, Brian Utterback wrote: On 04/09/10 20:44, Alan Wright wrote: I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. The examples in the case material provide way more information than such a list because they provide context, and one can always obtain a list by running

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-10 Thread Jason King
I tried, while there was some positive response, it was mostly summed up as 'that's useless, stupid, a waste of time, don't bother, that's what ARC cases are for, so it shouldn't be in code, etc.'. ...and the whole reason I was even trying to do that was just to address concerns about another proj

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-12 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 04/ 9/10 05:47 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: Alan Wright wrote: I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. I agree. Note also that some have held that once you have put a Project Private interface into an ARC case, you must run an ARC case to make any changes to it. That s

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-12 Thread Jordan Brown
Garrett D'Amore wrote: I have to admit, I don't understand the resistance to just posting the list... Reasons why I would resist... 1) The more you document, the more you're tied down. 2) The attitude that something might be construed to be public if it isn't explicitly private is a worris

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-12 Thread Bart Smaalders
On 04/10/10 15:59, Brian Utterback wrote: Unless and until we get a standard set of docs that definitively lists what is public, then in proposals like this one is the only place these interfaces are documented. You don't have to do this now, when you integrate make a list from the kstat output

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-12 Thread Alan Wright
On 04/12/10 08:25 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: On 04/ 9/10 05:47 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: Alan Wright wrote: I honestly can't see what value a list would add to this case. I agree. Note also that some have held that once you have put a Project Private interface into an ARC case, you must run an

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-12 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 04/12/10 02:15 PM, Alan Wright wrote: Thanks for the +1. My main concern is that smbstat is a consumer and using a consumer as a vehicle for documenting a consumed interface doesn't seem appropriate - both as a mechanism and for traceability. I'd really prefer that this case remain a simple

Re: SMB/CIFS Statistics [PSARC/2010/120 FastTrack timeout 04/14/2010]

2010-04-14 Thread Jordan Brown
This case timed out today. It has its +1, and the issue raised (documentation of the underlying kstats) appears to have been resolved as not being appropriate for this case. I expected it to come up at the meeting today, but it seems there was no meeting, so I'm declaring it closed approved.