[osol-discuss] Re: Tulip Driver

2006-09-27 Thread Jürgen Keil
I was not sure whether this (pci1317,0985) was the right (vendor, product) ID b/c the number 1317 was assigned to ADMtek. But after a q d search, I found out that ADMtek makes NIC chipsets for Linksys. So this seems should be OK. The correct id would be pci1317,985 (without the leading

Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting a PCFS fixed disk with Solaris 8 for Sparc

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Mike Pleasance wrote: I'm currently stumped with the problem of mounting a fixed disk with a single FAT32 partition (created by vxWorks) using Solaris 8 for Sparc. We have been in contact with Sun and were simply told that, Creating and mounting a pcfs on a sparc-based

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is fairly damning I think : http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses Clearly it dictates : Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft;

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
James McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What annoys me most about the whole GPL versus the world licensing bunfight is that nobody bothers to try to separate the ideology of the FSF (which *I* summarise as owning stuff is bad) from the good work (and works) which the GPLv2 has enabled over

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A similar comment is made about the apache licence in that same web page and apache is still the most widely deployed web server in linux, and about the MPL; this is getting really boring. Can we quit bitching about licences for a while? i'm

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: [ ... ] Is there validity to these statements being printed by the FSF or is this all simply more FUD that no one responds to ? If I remember correctly, this licenses compared webpage has been up at the FSF for at least a year if not longer. Someone

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Casper . Dik
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: [ ... ] Is there validity to these statements being printed by the FSF or is this all simply more FUD that no one responds to ? If I remember correctly, this licenses compared webpage has been up at the FSF for at least a year if not longer. Someone

[osol-discuss] Re: The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread James Mansion
I am wondering what value the CDDL has anymore. Why? Why should anyone care whether CDDL code is compatible with GPL, if there is enough CDDL code to stand on its own? What I think is unfortunate is: module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Mansion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering what value the CDDL has anymore. Why? Why should anyone care whether CDDL code is compatible with GPL, if there is enough CDDL code to stand on its own? Because it tries to use a statement that is true in its negation but not the way

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs file-server boot redundancy

2006-09-27 Thread Boyd Adamson
On 27/09/2006, at 6:57 PM, Dick Davies wrote: On 27/09/06, Boyd Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/09/2006, at 4:49 AM, Ryan Ross wrote: The one problem I have come across is the the UFS system partition. This is not backed up, therefore if the harddrive it is on fails, I have no way

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs file-server boot redundancy

2006-09-27 Thread Boyd Adamson
On 27/09/2006, at 10:09 PM, Boyd Adamson wrote: On 27/09/2006, at 6:57 PM, Dick Davies wrote: On 27/09/06, Boyd Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/09/2006, at 4:49 AM, Ryan Ross wrote: The one problem I have come across is the the UFS system partition. This is not backed up,

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs file-server boot redundancy

2006-09-27 Thread Dick Davies
On 27/09/06, Boyd Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/09/2006, at 6:57 PM, Dick Davies wrote: On 27/09/06, Boyd Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/09/2006, at 4:49 AM, Ryan Ross wrote: The one problem I have come across is the the UFS system partition. This is not backed up,

[osol-discuss] Forum/Mailing list for Solaris developers?

2006-09-27 Thread Raymond
Hi, is there a forum or a mailing list where it is appropriate to ask questions in regard to software development on Solaris, i.e. Solaris systems programming, code optimisations for multithreaded programs and UMA/NUMA hardware architectures, etc. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] About Solaris 10 telnet session disconnect termly

2006-09-27 Thread Simon Yuan
Hi, As I known,I havn't create any shell script or setup any middle boxes to do this,and I have several solaris 9 OS within same subnet,but no such issue. Thanks. Rgds, Simon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: [osol-discuss] Forum/Mailing list for Solaris developers?

2006-09-27 Thread James C. McPherson
Raymond wrote: Hi, is there a forum or a mailing list where it is appropriate to ask questions in regard to software development on Solaris, i.e. Solaris systems programming, code optimisations for multithreaded programs and UMA/NUMA hardware architectures, etc. Start with

[osol-discuss] [OffTopic] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Jakma
NB: It's hopefully obvious that I do *NOT* speak for my employer :) On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: Is there validity to these statements being printed by the FSF or is this all simply more FUD that no one responds to ? Well, is it FUD? Let's look at the facts: a) RMS has stated

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Tue 09/26/06 at 22:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is fairly damning I think : http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses Clearly it dictates : Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is a free software license which is not a

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Casper . Dik
Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the GPL is buggy? Instead of modifying all the other Open Source licenses to work around the GPL's bugs, clearly the onus should be on the FSF to fix their broken

[osol-discuss] config problem: solaris 10 as ldap client

2006-09-27 Thread Ulrich Hiller
Dear all, I have problems connecting an open solaris 10 box to a novell linux ldap server (or better say: I am a newbie on this stuff and am confused about the right configuration). First I made a normal installation as a standalone box. I installed openssh and openldap via csw. Now I want to

Re: [osol-discuss] config problem: solaris 10 as ldap client

2006-09-27 Thread Mika Borner
I have problems connecting an open solaris 10 box to a novell linux ldap server (or better say: I am a newbie on this stuff and am confused about the right configuration). Hi I've written a blog entry for Solaris 10 and Novell NDS. Maybe it helps you...

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the GPL is buggy? Instead of modifying all the other Open Source licenses to work around the GPL's bugs,

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Roberto J. Dohnert
There has been a lot of negative reaction to the news that Google is evaluating/test driving OpenSolaris. So I think this news has much to do with that and the fact that the FSF is scared they might loose Google. This isnt the first time they have used scary terms to intimidate people.

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the GPL is buggy? Instead of modifying all the other Open Source licenses to work around the GPL's bugs, clearly the

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the GPL is buggy? Instead of modifying all the other Open Source

Re: [osol-discuss] config problem: solaris 10 as ldap client

2006-09-27 Thread Darren J Moffat
Ulrich Hiller wrote: Dear all, I have problems connecting an open solaris 10 box to a novell linux ldap server (or better say: I am a newbie on this stuff and am confused about the right configuration). First I made a normal installation as a standalone box. I installed openssh and openldap via

[osol-discuss] Re: new install help

2006-09-27 Thread Francois Dion
ifconfig -a will only show devices that are already plumbed. To quote man ifconfig: Before an interface has been plumbed, the interface will not show up in the output of the ifconfig -a command. Furthermore, you can only plumb a device that has a driver. For the broadcom card I put in my

Re: [osol-discuss] [OffTopic] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Paul Jakma wrote: c) The FSF /always/ recommends that the GPL be used over other free software licences. I'm not sure what else you'd expect, it's their default position. Hardly FUD. They even do this against their own LGPL - it's simply their philosophy of opening as much software as

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Wed 09/27/06 at 16:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the GPL is buggy? Instead of modifying all the

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Joerg Schilling wrote: So why do we keep having these endless CDDL/GPL discussions here? Because people would expect a public reaction from Sun that does not seem to happen. I don't think that Sun necessarily has to respond. Take a look at the page in question:

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Dennis Clarke
Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A similar comment is made about the apache licence in that same web page and apache is still the most widely deployed web server in linux, and about the MPL; this is getting really boring. Can we quit bitching about licences for a while? i'm

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Casper . Dik
There has been a lot of negative reaction to the news that Google is evaluating/test driving OpenSolaris. So I think this news has much to do with that and the fact that the FSF is scared they might loose Google. This isnt the first time they have used scary terms to intimidate people.

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
Problem: Perception is Reality RB On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My concern is that the facts mean nothing. Opinion and presentation is all that matters and things like : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris are really just ugly. People ignore the facts

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Dennis Clarke
Problem: Perception is Reality exactly my point ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Casper . Dik
Problem: Perception is Reality exactly my point So update the Wikipedia entry and make sure that you don't make it biased te other way. Then if this causes a conflict, try and settle this. But this does require the entry not to be biased in anyway. But people who trust Wikipedia, are,

Re: [osol-discuss] Forum/Mailing list for Solaris developers?

2006-09-27 Thread Kuldip Oberoi
Hi Raymond, In addition to the OpenSolaris community email lists, there are Sun Developer Network (SDN) forums: 1. Solaris OS http://forum.sun.com/jive/index.jspa?tab=solaris 2. Sun Studio (compilers and tools) http://forum.sun.com/jive/index.jspa?tab=devtools You'll also find tabs

Re: [osol-discuss] Forum/Mailing list for Solaris developers?

2006-09-27 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Raymond wrote: Hi, is there a forum or a mailing list where it is appropriate to ask questions in regard to software development on Solaris, i.e. Solaris systems programming, code optimisations for multithreaded programs and Solaris Systems Programming. Hmm, sounds like

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Dennis Clarke
On Wed 09/27/06 at 16:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much time and effort the FSF spends bitching about other licenses being incompatible with GPL, isn't it obvious that the

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: WWAN (Wireless Wide Area Network)

2006-09-27 Thread Patrick
sounds like a cool project-- my new vaio laptop came with a cingular sim card that plugs in behind the battery-- i'd love to be able to use it under solaris. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
You are a man that can see the forest through the trees. Thanks. RB On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 16:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 09/27/06 at 15:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much

[osol-discuss] porting a driver from Linux

2006-09-27 Thread Tommy McNeely
I am working with some guys who are porting zaptel to Solaris. They have the basic stuff working, but we are wondering about best practices for something... IN LINUX: after compiling the kernel modules to match your kernel, it installs an init script, config files and /etc/sysconfig/zaptel.

Re: [osol-discuss] porting a driver from Linux

2006-09-27 Thread Casper . Dik
I am working with some guys who are porting zaptel to Solaris. They have the basic stuff working, but we are wondering about best practices for something... IN LINUX: after compiling the kernel modules to match your kernel, it installs an init script, con fig files and /etc/sysconfig/zaptel.

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris are really just ugly. People ignore the facts and listen to opinion and right there in a prominent place ( wikipedia ) is a page that was clearly edited by some FSF follower. Nothing prevents you from editing this

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem: Perception is Reality exactly my point So update the Wikipedia entry and make sure that you don't make it biased te other way. There are too many people on Wikipedia that don't like even unbiased information. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] porting a driver from Linux

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tommy McNeely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working with some guys who are porting zaptel to Solaris. They have the basic stuff working, but we are wondering about best practices for something... IN LINUX: after compiling the kernel modules to match your kernel, it installs an init

[osol-discuss] Help w/ Trusted Extensions (Solaris 10)

2006-09-27 Thread Erik Visnyak
I'm new to Solaris but I was able to setup Trusted Extensions on a test machine. The problem I'm seeing is when I login to the system as any account other than root I cannot open any applications or even a terminal. I get the message Action failed. Reconnect to Solaris Zone?. Does anyone

[osol-discuss] Re: The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Nicolas Linkert
The question is: What can SUN do to put things straight? Because it desperately needs to get things straight. In terms of OSS not SUN is the authority, butr the FSF is. If that authority advises you not to use the CDDL, you simply won't touch it. Therefore it's necessary that SUN talks to the

[osol-discuss] make menuconfig-- what is the solaris analog?

2006-09-27 Thread Patrick
amazingly enough i'm going to have some more free time on my hands in the next couple of weeks so i'd like to try and dive into getting some of the devices on my vaio sz laptop working under solaris like they do under fedora 5. i've configured tons of linux kernels by downloading the source and

[osol-discuss] Re: Help w/ Trusted Extensions (Solaris 10)

2006-09-27 Thread David Kleiner
Hi, Have you set up labeled zones? Which labels did you use? What are labels / clearances did you set for your user? Security forum (and its documents) will probably be more helpful for your TX questions. Good luck, /David This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] make menuconfig-- what is the solaris analog?

2006-09-27 Thread James Carlson
Patrick writes: amazingly enough i'm going to have some more free time on my hands in the next couple of weeks so i'd like to try and dive into getting some of the devices on my vaio sz laptop working under solaris like they do under fedora 5. i've configured tons of linux kernels by

Re: [osol-discuss] Many problems on a Dell Latitude D820

2006-09-27 Thread Dana H. Myers
The panic only happens in 64-bit mode; that's interesting. This isn't a known problem. What happens if you boot with acpi-user-options=0x4 ? Dana Robert Dickel wrote: Dual core T7400 Merom 64 bit cpu; w/ solaris 10 update 2 + patches (118855-19) 64 bit boot: only works with

[osol-discuss] Re: make menuconfig-- what is the solaris analog?

2006-09-27 Thread Haik Aftandilian
amazingly enough i'm going to have some more free time on my hands in the next couple of weeks so i'd like to try and dive into getting some of the devices on my vaio sz laptop working under solaris like they do under fedora 5. i've configured tons of linux kernels by downloading the

[osol-discuss] Re: make menuconfig-- what is the solaris analog?

2006-09-27 Thread Patrick
thanks haik! i'll check it out-- plus i've ordered a copy of the 2nd edition of solaris internals, so maybe i'll be able to get up to speed on solaris quickly. (crosses fingers) i've run the nightly script (following the blastwave how-to build opensolaris guide) before, but haven't poked

[osol-discuss] Re: porting a driver from Linux

2006-09-27 Thread Patrick
hi tommy, i have been asking similar questions because i'm trying to port some drivers from linux to solaris as well- as far as the first question- where to put the kernel modules, i was told /kernel/drv. btw, i'm just down the road from you (i'm in boulder) ;) good luck! This message

[osol-discuss] Re: Help w/ Trusted Extensions (Solaris 10)

2006-09-27 Thread Erik Visnyak
I used the default labels and yes I set up all the zones (ex. public, needtoknow, etc.) . I was able to login to each zone via root and was able to able to make user accounts that access various roles. The problem is that when I log into as a user with CNF: Needtoknow I can see the label on

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Help w/ Trusted Extensions (Solaris 10)

2006-09-27 Thread Patrick Bachmann
Erik Visnyak wrote: Do you have a link for the Security Forum? That would be the Security Community [0] with its mailinglist. :-) Greetings, Patrick --- [0] http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/security/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Slides from Seattle OpenSolaris Day

2006-09-27 Thread Linda Bernal
Willi, I posted the Seattle presentations here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/events/techdays/seattle/ However, there is one presentation missing at this point, but I will post as soon as I can. Take a peek and let me know if you have any problems accessing them. -Linda

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: make menuconfig-- what is the solaris analog?

2006-09-27 Thread James McPherson
On 9/28/06, Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks haik! i'll check it out-- plus i've ordered a copy of the 2nd edition of solaris internals, so maybe i'll be able to get up to speed on solaris quickly. (crosses fingers) i've run the nightly script (following the blastwave how-to build

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 27, 2006, at 16:04, Dennis Clarke wrote: My concern is that the facts mean nothing. Opinion and presentation is all that matters and things like : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris are really just ugly. People ignore the facts and listen to opinion and right there in a

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Simon Phipps
Y'know, I am beginning to get irritated here. When CDDL was written, a pretty good FAQ was written. It's at http://opensolaris.org/os/ about/faq/licensing_faq and was the result of a great deal of work by a bunch of good people. It answered all the questions people had when CDDL was written

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Simon Phipps
Actually, I did, personally, and they modified the entry slightly, but what's there is as far as I could push them. You will notice that the page says similar things about all licenses apart from the GPL or tear-off licenses that can be replaced with the GPL without fuss. S. On Sep 27,

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep hearing calls for Sun to intervene in a dispute over on Debian. I see people demanding Sun assert a legal opinion on difficult and divisive issues that don't directly involve Sun. And I hear people I usually respect belittling me and people

Re: [osol-discuss] [OffTopic] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 27, 2006, at 14:20, Paul Jakma wrote: NB: It's hopefully obvious that I do *NOT* speak for my employer :) I do speak for my employer in this instance I agree with all this. S. On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: Is there validity to these statements being printed by the

Re: [osol-discuss] The FSF Website says not to use the CDDL

2006-09-27 Thread Stephen Lau
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:47:28AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep hearing calls for Sun to intervene in a dispute over on Debian. I see people demanding Sun assert a legal opinion on difficult and divisive issues that don't directly involve