Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-16 Thread Rob McMahon
On 15/07/2010 22:47, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: IMHO, The Oracle/Sun provided OpenSolaris reference distribution (henceforth referred to as Indiana to avoid confusion) has done the community a disservice, in the sense that it has prevented a community from producing something itself. All the

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-16 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Obviously the issue the community has is that we've never had the ability to produce the distribution itself. We don't have the ability to build all the packages that go into the IPS repo, nor produce the Live CD, nor do we have an installer. And of course, finding

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: The community needs to be able to prevent moves into a direction that is aparently driven by customers but against the will of the majority of the users and the community needs to be able to

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dev Mazumdar d...@opensound.com wrote: We are not sure Open Solaris customers are necessarily Oracle's customers. Oracle wants Solaris to push its databases. OpenSolaris community wants an alternative to Linux and FreeBSD. Oracle becomes a client of the OpenSolaris community, just like IBM

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-15 Thread Stefan Parvu
joerg , A much simpler approach could be taken where everybody benefits: - Oracle is donating a large amount of src code outside. Thats great. Community should take it and make their own cookies as they please ! - Im not really sure if you will have a connection established the way the

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-15 Thread Dev Mazumdar
We are not sure Open Solaris customers are necessarily Oracle's customers. Oracle wants Solaris to push its databases. OpenSolaris community wants an alternative to Linux and FreeBSD. Oracle becomes a client of the OpenSolaris community, just like IBM and Redhat became clients of the Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
IMHO, The Oracle/Sun provided OpenSolaris reference distribution (henceforth referred to as Indiana to avoid confusion) has done the community a disservice, in the sense that it has prevented a community from producing something itself. All the other OpenSolaris based distributions such as

[osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Dev Mazumdar
Someone from the community needs to step up and become the Linus Torvalds of OpenSolaris. Someone with good engineering skills - someone who has written a butt load of code for Solaris. Candidates? Garrett, Dana Myers, Dan Mick, Jorg, Shawn, Dennis, Alan On the other hand, someone with a

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dev Mazumdar wrote: On the other hand, someone with a good lawyer should sue Oracle for false advertisement when Larry Ellison claimed he was going to spend more money on Solaris than Sun ever did in the past year (yeah Larry, where's the funding for Open Sound/Boomer?) Spending more money

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: Dev Mazumdar wrote: On the other hand, someone with a good lawyer should sue Oracle for false advertisement when Larry Ellison claimed he was going to spend more money on Solaris than Sun ever did in the past year (yeah Larry, where's

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Alan Coopersmith
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: The community needs to be able to prevent moves into a direction that is aparently driven by customers but against the will of the majority of the users and the community needs to be able to put back their developments results. That will only

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread john kroll
From my limited perspective and understanding dev wants it in game layer on a gamble. Good Luck ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
That will only happen if the community makes its own fork. Neither Sun nor Oracle would put the community wishes ahead of customer requirements, nor do I know of any successful open source OS driven by majority votes of users. I believe the root cause of this problem lies in the fact that

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Kyle McDonald
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/14/2010 7:11 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: The community needs to be able to prevent moves into a direction that is aparently driven by customers but against the will of the majority of the users

Re: [osol-discuss] Why do we need Oracle's permission or vision for OpenSolaris?

2010-07-14 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
From my limited perspective and understanding dev wants it in game layer on a gamble. Good Luck ?? Explain please; I'm not even 100% sure what you're saying, let alone why. I would imagine that if someone wanted an OS to do gaming on, and they didn't want any of the more obvious