Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dennis Clarke wrote: That's why I think that just setting the home directory for root to /root is fine for 99.8762% of things. Except vipw of course and who knows what else breaks. vipw IIRC has been fixed already. What are things like in the AIX world Derek ? Is the root user at /

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread David Lloyd
Hmmm... And the MS-WIN GUI is only "easy to use" for the people who spend a long time to learn it's oddness. Naturlich. Deutsch ist besser als Englisch. Also, wir mussen Deustch sprechen. Vielleicht, die Welt wird eines Tages die Wahrheit wissen! The same can be said for English...so why d

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> No Sir, I don't think so. >> >> I would simply employ more of the RBAC features and perhaps create a user >> called admin with considerable influence as well as enable *some* of the >> audit features in Solaris. One has to be careful with that however as you >> can fill a disk with audit logs

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Dennis Clarke wrote: Menno Lageman wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: I personally have always wondered why the ps command display what root is doing to ordinary users like as if it is any of their business but that is another idea I just let rattle around in my head. Dennis, You can do this (in

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Paul Jakma
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, David Lloyd wrote: I'm not so sure we've got the culprit here. I'd blame X...they're just as painful in Linux and FreeBSD. Uhm, XRandR? One big limitation is that the modelist isn't dynamic - that's being worked on by the XOrg people (google for XRandR 1.2). regards, --

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Casper . Dik
>And the less you can do as a normal user, the more people will be >tempted to run as root all the time. Life (and hence security) is full >of these little tradeoffs. Not if you can't. (I.e., this is a fine configuration for systems where there are many non-root users; not so in the case were

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The reason why Windows is so easy to install is only because it > comes pre-installed. And the MS-WIN GUI is only "easy to use" for the people who spend a long time to learn it's oddness. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josip Gracin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Clarke wrote: > > But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses > > and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will make > > it easy. > > You've deliberately left out Mac OS X, right? Because that se

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Menno Lageman wrote: >> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>> >>> I personally have always wondered why the ps command display what >>> root is >>> doing to ordinary users like as if it is any of their business but that >>> is another idea I just let rattle around in my head. >>> >> >> Dennis, >> >> You c

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Menno Lageman wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: I personally have always wondered why the ps command display what root is doing to ordinary users like as if it is any of their business but that is another idea I just let rattle around in my head. Dennis, You can do this (in Solaris 10 and up

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
> >> But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses >>and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will >> make >>it easy. I just have a minimal expectation that the current feature set >> are >>reflected in some way in the installer. Like ZFS as an o

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses >> and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will >> make >> it easy. > > You've deliberately left out Mac OS X, right? Because that seems to be > a Unix which hides the compl

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like why isn't ifconfig the same command in Linux, UNIX and Windows ? Why > does Windows use ipconfig ? Because Bill wanted the command to be different > I guess. Not sure. MS-WIN "ipconfig" is closer to the UNIX ifconfig than the Linux ifconfig is ;

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Casper . Dik
> But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses >and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will make >it easy. I just have a minimal expectation that the current feature set are >reflected in some way in the installer. Like ZFS as an option for >f

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Josip Gracin
Dennis Clarke wrote: But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will make it easy. You've deliberately left out Mac OS X, right? Because that seems to be a Unix which hides the complexity pretty wel

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> >> I personally have always wondered why the ps command display what root is >> doing to ordinary users like as if it is any of their business but that >> is another idea I just let rattle around in my head. >> > > Dennis, > > You can do this (in Solaris 10 and up) by

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-14 Thread Menno Lageman
Dennis Clarke wrote: I personally have always wondered why the ps command display what root is doing to ordinary users like as if it is any of their business but that is another idea I just let rattle around in my head. Dennis, You can do this (in Solaris 10 and up) by taking away the pro

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Dennis Clarke wrote: Wow. Guys, the civilization came to a point where well-behaved dogs no longer go crazy at the sight of a cat. Why would Solaris fans should be different at the sound of the word "Linux" ;) A welcome into the world of Solaris should be more welcome. no one was barking la

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > Wow. Guys, the civilization came to a point where well-behaved dogs no > longer go crazy at the sight of a cat. Why would Solaris fans should be > different at the sound of the word "Linux" ;) A welcome into the world > of Solaris should be more welcome. no one was barking Dennis Clarke

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Wow. Guys, the civilization came to a point where well-behaved dogs no longer go crazy at the sight of a cat. Why would Solaris fans should be different at the sound of the word "Linux" ;) A welcome into the world of Solaris should be more welcome. Noel, I think most your questions has been

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> I think we need to point out to our Linux friends that once they do this >> that will will pollute the root directory with crud. Things like the >> .bash_history and if they actually login vie dtlogin/gdm or whatever that >> they will really bork

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> Rich, you need to ask the question "why was I there?" of all people? > > Nope! > >> you *know* where I stand on Linux vs Solaris issues. > > Yep; you're about as anti-Linux as me. :-) not really ... I have spent a fair amount of time with Deb

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Derek E. Lewis
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: I think we need to point out to our Linux friends that once they do this that will will pollute the root directory with crud. Things like the .bash_history and if they actually login vie dtlogin/gdm or whatever that they will really bork it up wwith ju

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Rich Teer
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > Rich, you need to ask the question "why was I there?" of all people? Nope! > you *know* where I stand on Linux vs Solaris issues. Yep; you're about as anti-Linux as me. :-) > The collection of Linux sysadmins were laughing and saying outright

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> [1] the thing booted after install with a text console and pumped out >> errors >> about X this that and the other thing. I suspect a broken FX-1200 >> but then again .. the console worked fine in text mode. :-( >> >> This was just a j

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> >> But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses >>and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will >> make >>it easy. I just have a minimal expectation that the current feature set >> are >>reflected in some way in the in

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Rich Teer
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > [1] the thing booted after install with a text console and pumped out errors > about X this that and the other thing. I suspect a broken FX-1200 > but then again .. the console worked fine in text mode. :-( > > This was just a joke for the

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Ian Collins
Dennis Clarke wrote: > > But let's face it .. it isn't. UNIX and Linux are not for the masses >and no amount of snazzy graphics or a tetris game in the installer will make >it easy. I just have a minimal expectation that the current feature set are >reflected in some way in the installer. Like

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Rich Teer
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, David Lloyd wrote: > I wonder if a "Migrating from Linux" community exists... Of course there is--it's part of the OpenSolaris community. :-) Actually, more seriously, I think this is the sort of thing that the Immigrants Community on opensolaris.org is for... -- Rich Tee

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis, > >>> I'm not so sure we've got the culprit here. I'd blame X...they're just >>> as painful in Linux and FreeBSD. >> >> Well, I'm not a Linux guy ya know? But it feels like lately when I >> install Red Hat Enterprise Linux or SUSE Enterpoop Linux 10 or boot a >> KnoppiX DVD that every

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread David Lloyd
Dennis, I'm not so sure we've got the culprit here. I'd blame X...they're just as painful in Linux and FreeBSD. Well, I'm not a Linux guy ya know? But it feels like lately when I install Red Hat Enterprise Linux or SUSE Enterpoop Linux 10 or boot a KnoppiX DVD that everything looks sweet a

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis, > >> Let's just say that the instalelr is a piece of crud that had been >> kicking >> around forever. When you install a production grade Solaris with CDROM's >> it will still load in each CDROM one at a time and then it stupidly asks >> you what to do with the CDROM that it just re

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, noel wrote: > >> 1. the command line isn't bash, so I'm kinda stuck about that. can it be >> switched to bash? or is the solaris command line better than bash... > > The default Solaris shell is /bin/sh, which is the original Bourne shell. > You're free to change your user's

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread David Lloyd
Dennis, Let's just say that the instalelr is a piece of crud that had been kicking around forever. When you install a production grade Solaris with CDROM's it will still load in each CDROM one at a time and then it stupidly asks you what to do with the CDROM that it just read? Shall I in

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Hi, > > I'm giving open solaris a try (installed in vmware), but I'm running into > some difficulties. Its not "linux" if probably the first thing that you ran into :-) I always try to tell people that the command line in Windows XP is not Linux either but we all seem to expect "ls" to ju

Re: [osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread Derek E. Lewis
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, noel wrote: 1. the command line isn't bash, so I'm kinda stuck about that. can it be switched to bash? or is the solaris command line better than bash... The default Solaris shell is /bin/sh, which is the original Bourne shell. You're free to change your user's shell to a

[osol-discuss] new to solaris, some differences from linux...

2007-01-13 Thread noel
Hi, I'm giving open solaris a try (installed in vmware), but I'm running into some difficulties. 1. the command line isn't bash, so I'm kinda stuck about that. can it be switched to bash? or is the solaris command line better than bash... 2. I've heard zfs is supposed to be great and was hoping