[opensource-dev] Test Viewer

2011-01-26 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
The following viewer builds are available for testing: http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/oz_project-2/rev/219680/index.html These builds have changes intended to address all of the following issues: STORM-236 Allow t

Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-643

2011-01-25 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-25 1:05, Twisted Laws wrote: Added a patch to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-643 Embed Minimap into Nearby list of People Sidebar. I know I never make the meetings that would probably help determine if this would be included in the viewer, but it does help make viewer 2 j

Re: [opensource-dev] from debug to prefences

2011-01-25 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-24 20:45, Robert Martin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Trilo Byte wrote: >> Perhaps the experimental/developer-related debug settings should be >> accessible from the Developer menu (further removing it from casual users). >> Then an 'Advanced Preferences' floater could be

[opensource-dev] line ordering in contributions.txt

2011-01-21 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
> Actually, because I use changes to this file to generate some of our metrics > for open source contributions, I'd prefer that any existing order be > preserved: that is, add lines as needed (and adding them in order is nice), > but do not reorder existing lines please. I've fixed my script -

[opensource-dev] Using the codereview site for consults

2011-01-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-18 22:22, WolfPup Lowenhar wrote: I'll apologize in advanced for length of this email but I need some extra eyes on the code for this Diff to show changes being made(also the reason for the length of email): This post suggests something to me I think it would be easier for

Re: [opensource-dev] Review Request: STORM-2 As a User, I want to set my own default views with specific UI layout so I can tailor my Viewer experience to the activities I'm most interested in.

2011-01-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-18 10:28, Opensource Obscure wrote: > Just to say this new feature looks very promising! > > A question. The 3rd note says > "the files associated with saved layouts will be LLSD text files, so you can > email or paste layouts into a notecard to share with other users". > (the note also

[opensource-dev] Linden holiday - Oz office hour cancelled

2011-01-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Monday 17 January is a Linden Lab employee holiday. so I won't be holding my Office Hour. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmodera

Re: [opensource-dev] Clarification on contributions.txt

2011-01-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-13 12:25, Boroondas Gupte wrote: [Sent from wrong address, so once again for the list. Sorry Oz for the duplicate message.] On 01/13/2011 06:05 PM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: On 2011-01-13 11:37, Jonathan Welch wrote: Hi Oz, I updated two wiki entries dealing with adding

Re: [opensource-dev] Clarification on contributions.txt

2011-01-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-13 11:37, Jonathan Welch wrote: > Hi Oz, > > I updated two wiki entries dealing with adding to contributions.txt > and would appreciate it if you could look over what I wrote and tell > me and the mailing list if this is what you would like to have done. > > http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/

Re: [opensource-dev] storm-34

2011-01-12 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-10 11:38, Erin Mallory wrote: what happened to get the issue to occur for me. I installed the storm-34 developer viewer. logged in with cummere mayo. set the option to show the favorites. logged out. started the viewer. it worked as expected. logged out. back in. still worked

Re: [opensource-dev] https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-489

2011-01-12 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-08 12:58, Lance Corrimal wrote: > Hi there, > > am I the only one who thinks that > https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-489 should be rated a bit higher > than "minor, will be fixed in the distant future"? If any open developer is interested in taking on this (and/or the similar-soun

Re: [opensource-dev] Inventory incremental search (VWR-23712)

2011-01-05 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2011-01-05 6:13, Lance Corrimal wrote: > Isn't the acceptance of the contribution agreement automatically implied when > you upload a patch to a jira? Alas, no. Putting a patch on jira, this list, or the codereview site means that it falls under any agreement that you have executed, but act

Re: [opensource-dev] saving textures

2010-12-30 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-29 19:08, Dave Booth wrote: > Anyone else having issues SAVING textures with the dev viewer? > > With the 2.4.0 release viewer I can pull up a texture (that I created, > so no perms issues) out of my inventory and hit "save as" and pull a > fresh copy down to my hdd with no problems.. >

Re: [opensource-dev] saved logins

2010-12-29 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-28 17:22, Lance Corrimal wrote: > loosely related to storm-34: I would really see my saved logins back > in 2.x, similar to snowglobe 1.5... I'm not clear on what you think is missing... it remembers my username and password ___ Policies

[opensource-dev] Snowstorm Scrum Cancelled today

2010-12-29 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
I have an internal meeting conflict, and as far as I know am the only Linden on the team working today. I will be holding my OH as usual this afternoon... please bring any issues there. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http:/

Re: [opensource-dev] no snowstorm meetings today?

2010-12-27 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-27 13:36, Erin Mallory wrote: Did i miss an announcement or have my times off? or did snowstorm meetings today just get quietly cancelled on account of weather? Today and the Monday after New Years next week are Linden Lab holidays. ___ Po

Re: [opensource-dev] What is with the cycling port connections on SLv2.4?

2010-12-23 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-23 7:09, Zabb65 wrote: > This is one of the most confusing posts I've seen in ages. Would you > like to provide some technical detail of what you see happening, and > what you EXPECT to happen? But it does serve as an excellent example of a problem report that's high on emotional conte

Re: [opensource-dev] Odd issue in build 217714

2010-12-22 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-22 11:20, WolfPup Lowenhar wrote: There is an odd issue in Build 217714 of viewer-development. I noticed it this morning while helping to test a build for Oz. Issue is occurring in all three viewers I tested it in. I need help verifying if it is occurring in other OS's. TO repro:

[opensource-dev] Need test of (32bit) linux build

2010-12-22 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Aleric has got a collection of proposed build system improvements that are under review. I've done a test build of them, and have already confirmed that the resulting viewers work fine on the Mac and on Windows (thank you, Wolfpup). Would someone who's got a handy Linux system please download

Re: [opensource-dev] ReviewBoard email to this list?

2010-12-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
As of this moment, I don't see a strong consensus either way. It happens that I'm on vacation next week (returning Dec 13th). I'd prefer not to make any final decisions or configuration changes on the last day before I leave (I probably will have little or no Net access while I'm gone), so th

Re: [opensource-dev] POTENTIAL SHOW STOPPER

2010-12-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-02 20:44, WolfPup Lowenhar wrote: Well it could be for OS devs still working with viewer-development if mesh-development get merged to v-d in its current condition. Attached is the outputs from me trying to get mesh-development to build on my system plust the debug outputs for TWO

[opensource-dev] How to filter ReviewBoard mail

2010-12-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-02 8:58, WolfPup Lowenhar wrote: I would be nice if the review board system had an address that was something that people that use email programs( I.E. Outlook, Thunderbird, Incredimail) could much easier filter. Like nore...@codereview.secondlife.com

Re: [opensource-dev] ReviewBoard email to this list?

2010-12-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-02 9:41, Boroondas Gupte wrote: PS: Is there any reason why the viewer-development-builds Archives are 'private' (i.e. only available to list members)? No... but I'll have to dig up the admin passwor

[opensource-dev] ReviewBoard email to this list?

2010-12-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
As you'll have inferred, we now have a system set up for doing open code reviews. It's not perfect, but it's pretty nice and very easy to use. It also generates quite a bit of email - one for each newly posted request, and one (properly threaded) for each comment or other action on that revie

Re: [opensource-dev] Registering a SL Review Board

2010-12-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-12-02 8:23, Jonathan Welch wrote: > Will the email address we input during the registration process be > visible at any point? Yes, since the email that reviewboard sends about whatever you did will be the From address. If you prefer, you can use the email address that you use for the o

Re: [opensource-dev] Review Request: Restructure loops that use breaks without need (reviewboard test)

2010-12-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
> > I just want to point out (as a reminder to other list members) > that the reviewboard is for code contributors only, that is > > "In order to post reviews or comment on them in this system, > you must have executed a Contribution Agreement". > > I would assume that we non-contributors still can

Re: [opensource-dev] Autoupdater Flashback

2010-12-01 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
> Is there any chance we can get a build that doesn't serve AutoUpdater > Errors when you launch the app, or is that all server side? > That set of problems is the subject of quite a lot of attention. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available

Re: [opensource-dev] [WIKI] 'Downloading test builds' vs. 'Linden_Lab_Official:Alternate_Viewers'

2010-11-26 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-25 9:29, Opensource Obscure wrote: > Wouldn't be appropriate to merge together these pages, > or a part of them? Maybe using a template, to > avoid duplicated and out-of-date content. > > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Alternate_Viewers > http://wiki.second

Re: [opensource-dev] Development snapshots now 2.5?

2010-11-24 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-23 22:55, Trilo Byte wrote: > I notice the version change in the latest snapshot. I sincerely hope that > means that a 2.4 beta hasn't been committed to before Name Tags has been > fixed and tested. Shipping a beta/release (that is, putting it on the > downloads page for all residen

Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-616: Me->Movement menus

2010-11-22 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-20 9:40, Ponzu wrote: > > Don't get me all excited. Next thing I will be asking for haptic > animations. With olfactory signals beamed into my cervical implant. > Shh... those implants are under NDA!! :-) ___ Policies and (un)subscribe i

Re: [opensource-dev] [IDEA] variable stand-up menu entry/button label

2010-11-22 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-20 6:34, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > On 11/20/2010 11:49 AM, Opensource Obscure wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:19:20 -0500, Ponzu wrote: >>> Of course, "Sit" and "Stand" are not always what we are doing. We >>> might be >>> "Dance" and "Stop Dance" or "Hug" and "Stop hug" >> What ex

[opensource-dev] STORM-616: Me->Movement menus

2010-11-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
These are good - but perhaps a couple of improvements? * When I'm sitting, can/should we make the 'Sit Down' become 'Stand Up'? (we'd want that to work any time that the av is sitting, not just when the 'Sit Down' action was taken) * The 'Always Run' is different from the others

[opensource-dev] Test these features....

2010-11-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
We have three pending features ready for testing and feedback now... https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Downloading_test_builds#Developer_Builds ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Pleas

Re: [opensource-dev] What is the license status of UI sounds ?

2010-11-16 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-15 4:27, Lance Corrimal wrote: > Am Sonntag, 14. November 2010, 15:14:25 schrieb Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence): >> On 2010-11-05 16:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote: >>> To do this however, we'd need to know what is the license status of the >>> UI sounds:

Re: [opensource-dev] What is the license status of UI sounds ?

2010-11-14 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-05 16:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > To do this however, we'd need to know what is the license status of the UI > sounds: does LL allow TPV developpers to distribute them (under the Artistic > License, for example, like for the UI artwork), and if yes under which > License ? At present, a

Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-151 : KDU v6.4.1 upgrade update

2010-11-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-12 20:35, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: > > This afternoon, I was happy to break through the fog and got a first > viewer working with v6.4.1! I quickly ran some perf runs and it seems > that this new lib gives us a 30% boost in decompression speed (tested > on Mac OS X). I posted so

Re: [opensource-dev] Infinite loop in viewer-development?

2010-11-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-10 15:35, Sheet Spotter wrote: The infinite loop occurs when the avatar's baked textures cannot be decoded. The problem was encountered while testing OpenJPEG v2, but it could also occur with any JPEG 2000 decoder. After running the code outside the debugger I was able to submit

Re: [opensource-dev] Infinite loop in viewer-development?

2010-11-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
A stack overflow is occurring during log on with the latest viewer-development source code. See the archive for my rant on using the word "latest". The code enters an infinite loop when two methods are repeatedly calling each other. LLVOAvatarSelf::removeMissingBakedTextures calls LLVOAvata

Re: [opensource-dev] Touch Broken, Stuttering Issues

2010-11-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-10 6:13, Trilo Byte wrote: > I was busy checking out some other items/banging on different parts of the > viewer, and didn't realize until just now that "Touch" appears to not be > working properly in the latest builds. Clicking left/right on a panel vendor > seems to work, but touch

Re: [opensource-dev] support related userstory...

2010-11-09 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-09 12:04, Erin Mallory wrote: As a user, I would expect if i log itno the secondlife website and then try to get some live support, it would then automatically connect me under the account I am logged into the website under and not any of say the last 4 or five accounts that logged i

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup

2010-11-08 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-08 11:10, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote: Thanks again for all your feedback. I've made some updates to the design deck (see attached). I'm going to create subtasks underneath STORM-31 for the new preferences and get these updates rolling

Re: [opensource-dev] What is the license status of UI sounds ?

2010-11-07 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-05 16:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > These issues could easily be solved (I got a patch ready), provided the UI > sounds could be distributed as part of the default skin (for example in > /skins/default/sounds)... > To do this however, we'd need to know what is the license status of the UI

Re: [opensource-dev] constant crashes

2010-11-02 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-11-02 21:44, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: > please indicate which build you're running when reporting > viewer-development build crashes. With as many as 3 or 4 builds of viewer-development per day (and rarely less than 2), the term "latest" is essentially worthless. By the time any

Re: [opensource-dev] LGPL violation

2010-10-27 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-23 7:27, Carlo Wood wrote: > I am not a lawyer :p, but I think that it is allowed to link an LGPL-ed > library statically against a proprietary executable provided you > provide the object code or source code of the work that uses the library. Not correct. LGPL code may be linked to

Re: [opensource-dev] [META] User stories and issue tracker readability

2010-10-27 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-23 12:25, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote: > > Part of the change was to add the words "As a user," to the Summary > field. > > https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-675 > > They also changed the importance from minor to major. I suspect > these two actions are connected. > > I suspec

Re: [opensource-dev] USER STORY for not so far future

2010-10-21 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-21 10:10, Francesco Rabbi wrote: > Not understand sorry... > > This isn't a LL problem. You can already use iMouse to use your iPad, > iPhone or iPod as a multi-touch trackpad and via control panel you can > bind multi-touch gesture to keyboard shortcut... Now that would be a great t

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff I'd like to see in the coming sprint

2010-10-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
VWR-12984 Water flickers and disappears in patches * Very annoying and high-voted bug, especially apparent in skyboxes * Has been fixed in Snowglobe 1 half a year ago * Fix has been ported to Snowglobe 2 this summer (s

Re: [opensource-dev] offered items are lost by viewer crashes

2010-10-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
[hint: use a more descriptive subject line when posting] On 2010-10-16 18:01, Erin Mallory wrote: Why is it 2.0 seems to autodecline inventory for most people if they crash or get logged out before they can accept the inventory? this is really annoying. is there a way to change that somewhe

Re: [opensource-dev] Reflections in SL. Re: Project-MESH viewer

2010-10-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-16 20:02, leliel wrote: > Make it so people don't have to jump through hoops to build the viewer > and patches may start coming in more frequently. O.o Oddly, that's exactly what I'm working on... ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information

Re: [opensource-dev] Reflections in SL. Re: Project-MESH viewer

2010-10-16 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-16 19:04, leliel wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville > wrote: >> I'd be quite content with mirror surfaces that only, for example, reflected >> avatars. >> >> I think people would enjoy mirrors no matter how much restriction had to be >> placed on them to

Re: [opensource-dev] O.O Display name code DROP!

2010-10-16 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-15 19:22, Boroondas Gupte wrote: On 10/16/2010 12:59 AM, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote: What happened to that jira issue? It appears to have been moved to SEC or something like that. It has been moved to DN-179 . (I guess "DN" stands for "di

Re: [opensource-dev] Project-MESH viewer

2010-10-16 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-15 18:00, Trilo Byte wrote: > But on the flipside, the Project MESH viewer has working shadows for nVidia > GPU's on Mac (never happened before on any known config), and anti-aliasing's > fixed. If we could get that bit out of the mesh viewer and into the 2.2 > pipeline, we'd reall

Re: [opensource-dev] Project-MESH viewer

2010-10-15 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-15 13:07, Ponzu wrote: > I tried this viewer last night. As I am sure you Lindens know, it is > based on a version of viewer-development that is many days old. (Some > complaint, huh?) > Could perhaps someone help the Mesh team pull the most relevant > changesets from viewer-dev s

Re: [opensource-dev] quick smoke test

2010-10-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-12 19:30, Boroondas Gupte wrote: Looks good, I guess. While testing I noticed that STORM-312 / VWR-19643 (spacenavigator not working with recent Linux kernels) is still broken in LL builds.

[opensource-dev] Oz office hour change...

2010-10-12 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
I've moved my Monday office hour back (earlier) by a half hour - it's now 07:00-08:00. The wiki calendar links and feeds have been updated. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Plea

[opensource-dev] Don't fork Beta

2010-10-12 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Unless you are working on an issue that has already specifically been marked to be fixed in Beta, please don't use a clone of the viewer-beta branch; doing so makes it more difficult to cleanly pull your changes into viewer-development. ___ Policies

Re: [opensource-dev] Remaining build issues for 64bit linux standalone out-of-source (without unit tests)

2010-10-11 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-06 18:41, Boroondas Gupte wrote: A lot of fixes from my previous list have been integrated by now, so the list of remaining not-yet-integrated build fixes for 64bit out-of-source has become a lot sho

Re: [opensource-dev] Remaining build issues for 64bit linux standalone out-of-source (without unit tests)

2010-10-11 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
VWR-23296 : missing LL_TEST conditions (i.e. SNOW-651 *+* SNOW-654 ) * The ability to turn off building and executing of /all/ unit tests is ne

Re: [opensource-dev] [JIRA] Updated: (SH-173) [VWR-22868] Development Viewer freezes just after startup / greedy with file handles / 'WARNING: ll_apr_warn_status: APR: Too many open files'

2010-10-07 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-07 10:21, Ponzu wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Merov Linden (JIRA) mailto:no-re...@secondlife.com>> wrote: [ https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-173?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Merov Linden updated SH-173:

Re: [opensource-dev] Latest LL viewer beta has inventory count issues?

2010-10-06 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-05 17:43, Ann Otoole wrote: > However I do know asset data is "vanishing". I have a ticket open and > never looked at in respect to a humble shoe texture I created and > uploaded to SL that has vanished from the asset system. Easily > replacable yes but highly annoying to know data

Re: [opensource-dev] New Snowstorm Builds?

2010-10-04 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-04 10:55, Zak Escher wrote: > There hasn't been a new build of Snowstorm (Second Life 2.2.1 (210917) > Sep 30 2010 05:11:51 (Second Life Development)) for several days. Any > ETA on when new builds will be available? There just have not been any new commits since then. People have

Re: [opensource-dev] CAN WE PLEASE STOP VIEWER DEVELOPMENT FOR 5 MINUTES

2010-10-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-10-03 10:27, malachi wrote: > could we please take 5 minutes away from the client that we all obviously > have our second thoughts about to begin with. and focus on grid > infrastructure. > > i honestly dont care if i am forced to use the dreaded 2.x client. if the > grid actually res

Re: [opensource-dev] User Story: Improved Cache

2010-09-19 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-19 10:21, Tateru Nino wrote: > I believe he was referring to the fact that a UUID does not always refer > to the same inworld object. There are instances where an object UUID > will be used more than once. Those would be bugs, by definition.

Re: [opensource-dev] Where to put & look for test viewers

2010-09-18 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 19:42, Trilo Byte wrote: > I agree, a newer one's needed (Phillip pledged to residents there would be > updates every 2 weeks, that doesn't seem to be happening). However, until > anti-aliasing gets fixed 2.1.2 isn't ready for prime time. we're still shaking down our processes, bu

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowstorm - Product Engine?

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 15:38, Brandon Husbands wrote: > I am actually about finished with my mod for v2. > > It takes the sidebar.cpp file and only that file leaves all public > method calls in. > But its rewritten to be a floater manager where if you want to call > say profile it launches it as a float

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowstorm - Product Engine?

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 13:49, Brandon Husbands wrote: > It was a serious question. I wanted to know if LL did it or a 3rd > party contractor. not a insult. It doesn't matter... it's there, and we're going to have to deal with it (as in the recent changes to make panels detachable). ___

Re: [opensource-dev] Where to put & look for test viewers

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 13:36, Ponzu wrote: > When will Snowstorm post a Development Viewer Snapshot - TBD > > 8-) already on the main secondlife.com downloads page (though we need a newer one) ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://w

Re: [opensource-dev] User Story: Improved Cache

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 12:56, Ponzu wrote: > But some users want to be able to override this. I want a certain > location to always load fast, even if I rarely visit it. > > User story: I want to mark certain locations as "Fast Loading" even > if I do not visit them very often. This should override the

Re: [opensource-dev] Where to put & look for test viewers

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-17 12:20, Tom Grimshaw wrote: On 17/09/2010 17:16, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: We have lots of community members who are ready and willing to try out the latest and greatest experiments and fixes from developers, Are viewers with experimental OpenSim-targeted features welcome

[opensource-dev] Where to put & look for test viewers

2010-09-17 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
We have lots of community members who are ready and willing to try out the latest and greatest experiments and fixes from developers, and plenty of developers who have things that need testing (especially in circumstances and on platforms that the develop might not have). The trick is getting

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-11 14:11, Dilly Dobbs wrote: On 9/11/2010 1:05 PM, Robert Martin wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: We all seem like intelligent adults that could come to an agreement on how to add priority to the issues that we would like to see addressed. And yes i w

[opensource-dev] Severe water flicker in recent development build

2010-09-12 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
I'm seeing what I believe is the same problem described in SNOW-745 in our current development viewer. Second Life 2.1.2 (209297) I added some detail to the issue description. It's very irritating. I think we need to do something about it (might we be able to force Atmospheric Shaders to 'o

Re: [opensource-dev] Building viewer-development

2010-09-11 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-11 9:48, Ponzu wrote: > I know it seems somewhat risky, but it is a WIKI. If you see ways to > fix it, or even just mark that it iseems out of date, that is an > improvement. Lots of small improvements will make a big difference. > (/me promises to put editing where mouth is.) > > An

Re: [opensource-dev] Building viewer-development

2010-09-11 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-10 22:53, Sheet Spotter wrote: I would like to build the viewer-development source code under Windoze. I was familiar with the Snowglobe process. Now I need to understand any changes to the build process for Project Snowstorm. The wiki instructions for the retrieving the source c

Re: [opensource-dev] Test plans / Acceptance Criteria for Snowstorm sprint 3

2010-09-11 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-10 20:01, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: > > One question: how do we close (Accept) fixes? Clearly, that shouldn't > be the dev doing this (not me then on those) but how to make sure it > gets on the radar of someone? I suggest that the process be that we get some other team member

Re: [opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

2010-09-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-10 14:30, Daniel Smith wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) mailto:o...@lindenlab.com>> wrote: Eventually (and there is _no_ plan for when this will be - certainly longer than 3 months), it will no longer be possible for us to co

Re: [opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

2010-09-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-09 7:15, Aidan Thornton wrote: > On 9/8/10, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: >> * Remove viewer-external from hg.secondlife.com > Am I right in thinking there's no revision history in here that isn't > available in more useful and fine-grained form

Re: [opensource-dev] [POLICY] Banning TPV not on the TPV list

2010-09-10 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-09 1:59, Francesco Rabbi wrote: > Hello Altair! > I wanted to respond to a comment you made on the opensource-dev list. > > You said "imho*ALL* non TPV listed viewers should be blacklisted" All viewers must comply with the Third Party Viewer Policy. Viewers in the directory

Re: [opensource-dev] Updated Snowstorm submission procedure

2010-09-09 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-08-26 20:36, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: > I've just updated the procedure for how to submit a changeset for > Snowstorm integration. There's now an explicit mechanism in Jira to > queue a change to be integrated. See > > https:/

Re: [opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

2010-09-08 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-08 10:35, Mike Dickson wrote: >On 09/08/2010 10:04 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: >> On 2010-09-08 9:43, Ponzu wrote: >>> Will there be a "snowstorm" viewer? >> Not by that name - there is a 'Development' viewer (available

Re: [opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

2010-09-08 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-08 9:43, Ponzu wrote: > Will there be a "snowstorm" viewer? Not by that name - there is a 'Development' viewer (available both from the wiki and the secondlife.com download page) that is the current viewer-development build. See https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Types _

[opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

2010-09-07 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
The Snowglobe project has served a very useful purpose, but as I said when we launched Project Snowstorm, we need to be clear that our open source efforts are focused there. We're making very good progress importing the features and fixes from Snowglobe into the viewer-development repository,

Re: [opensource-dev] Somewhat stable developer viewer

2010-09-06 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-06 11:16, Ponzu wrote: The snow storm wiki seems to say that users should try - Viewer 2 (stable) - Development Viewer snap shot (somewhat stable) - Latest Build (look out!) The problem is there is no hint about the Snap Shot? Even just a build number would be OK. Oz has suggested

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for review/testing Socks 5 support for viewer-development (VWR-20801)

2010-09-06 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-06 8:01, Tofu Linden wrote: > Hi Robin, > Is there a clear blocker for this? My loose grasp of the situation > is that it's waiting for some Socks users to verify that this > works for them out in the wild. Is this correct? It also needs an upgrade of the curl library. I've built th

Re: [opensource-dev] Which build should I try?

2010-09-06 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-05 12:33, Ponzu wrote: > So, new question... > > What is the last build known to allow logging in from a Mac? (I have > iMac and mbp, and both freeze at login.) > 208707 is working for me. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information availab

Re: [opensource-dev] How to get your changes merged pretty quickly!

2010-09-06 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-06 9:12, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > Hi Tofu > > Thanks for clearing this up! > > On 09/06/2010 02:58 PM, Tofu Linden wrote: >> If you have some changes that you think are: >> + Working properly >> + Adequately reviewed >> + Ready for day-to-day public consumption >> >> ... then please

[opensource-dev] Display Names open source

2010-09-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
We had some technical difficulties with getting it properly prepared for publication (resolved with the able help of Aimee), but the source for the Display Names branch is now available at: http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-identity It is worthy of notice that this is the first Project release

Re: [opensource-dev] Plugins/Modular architecture

2010-09-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-03 11:17, Brandon Husbands wrote: > What id like to see is the viewer be distributed as a library. And we > can init our own project with can create the window etc and setup the > ui.. Since you went lgpl you should have a compile option for a lib > with a established interface. Ot

Re: [opensource-dev] Plugins/Modular architecture

2010-09-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-03 9:14, Lawson English wrote: >On 9/2/10 8:13 AM, Talia Tokugawa wrote: >> [...] >> I know this has been suggested before as friends have suggested it. >> Why not make the viewer more Modular? Introduce a plugin architecture. >> Allow any user to "build" their own client that fits

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for review/testing: VWR-2058 3 submenu indicators (▶ a.k.a. U+25B6) should n't be hard-coded in context menu sub menu names

2010-09-03 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Esbee - this looks like a good thing for us to pull in under the general cleanups category. Boroondas - please recheck the Dutch files - I pulled in those fixes 3 days ago, and you should have them in your repo now. On 2010-09-02 20:41, Boroondas Gupte wrote: As far as I know, VWR-20583

Re: [opensource-dev] before opena Jira, APR

2010-09-01 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-01 10:36, Tateru Nino wrote: > > On 2/09/2010 12:20 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: >> On 2010-09-01 9:46, Francesco Rabbi wrote: >>> No, this is a client side problem in file handling, not an HTTP >>> problem... You can parallelize billions

Re: [opensource-dev] before opena Jira, APR

2010-09-01 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-01 9:46, Francesco Rabbi wrote: > > No, this is a client side problem in file handling, not an HTTP > problem... You can parallelize billions of download, Whether or not you _can_, you _shouldn't_. The HTTP spec is quite clear on this point. We'd get much better performance than we

Re: [opensource-dev] before opena Jira, APR

2010-09-01 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-01 7:12, Tateru Nino wrote: Hmm. It might not be an actual leak per-se... I've noticed in busy areas that the viewer will often hit a*lot* of parallel HTTP texture fetches. That's not very good http behavior, but I doubt that we can get it changed until the servers are properly supp

[opensource-dev] Oz Office Hours canceled today

2010-09-01 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
I'm not going to be available for my regular office hour on Wednesday Sept 1. Send mail if there was something you needed to discuss, and I'll set up a time we can meet. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlif

Re: [opensource-dev] I was told this need to be dropped on the mailing list.

2010-08-31 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Here's a story to go with this, Esbee: As a developer, I'd like to be able to build the standard viewer on 64 bit Linux systems. From http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20751 I've added changesets for you to work with. These are the ones I used to get viewer-devolment to build on l

Re: [opensource-dev] Final build for Snowstorm Sprint 2

2010-08-31 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-08-31 10:25, Trilo Byte wrote: > I tested this build yesterday, anti-aliasing (an essential feature for SL > photography and shooting machinima, as well as a preferred setting for many > residents) is still broken. Releasing this would be a significant step > backwards, in my opinion.

[opensource-dev] Final build for Snowstorm Sprint 2

2010-08-31 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
Here's a pointer to our final build for Snowstorm sprint 2: http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/rev/208771/index.html barring something catastrophic, that should be posted to secondlife.com as soon as we can verify that the requisite inf

Re: [opensource-dev] Submission process when a team is working an issue.

2010-08-30 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-08-30 12:42, Nicky Perian wrote: Oz, Please clarify the vwr-x process. As a example. I built and tested vwr-20879 the issue Robin wrote up concerning Express builds. She had a six or so additional vwr-x issues that contributed to a solution. I added a change set that improv

Re: [opensource-dev] This is how Linden Lab treats it's customers...

2010-08-29 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-08-28 8:50, Aleric Inglewood wrote: > I know this is "off topic", so I'll keep it as short as possible. What happened was wrong, and regrettable, but it's very much off topic for this list. Please take it elsewhere. ___ Policies and (un)subs

[opensource-dev] Updated Snowstorm submission procedure

2010-08-26 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
I've just updated the procedure for how to submit a changeset for Snowstorm integration. There's now an explicit mechanism in Jira to queue a change to be integrated. See https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/How_To_Submit_A_Viewer_Change#Submission This is a temporary procedure - it will be re

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