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I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
book being a "Dale Carnegie book for a DBA" and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry business users ("buy him
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Subject:Cary's Book
Fyi,
I just received confirmation from Amazon that my pre-order was shipped.
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> Subject: Cary's book
>
> I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
> I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
> book being a "Dale Carnegie book for
e, they either change the world around them, or they
move
> on to a place where they can be effective.
>
>
> My opinion, YMMV,
>
> Robert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mladen Gogala
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> Sent: 10/3/2003 10:14 AM
> Sub
either change the world around them, or they move
on to a place where they can be effective.
My opinion, YMMV,
Robert
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I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
>
> accept a pay cut. So I left. So far, so good. I'm new at the company,
> I don't have enough business knowledge in this new line of work and
> the company is a well entrenched company with power players whose
> roles I don't understand qui
Mladen,
> Hard times present problems because people do
> not want to pay for a competent DBA but frequently hire a shaman or a
> witch doctor who "improves" on the system based on snake oil type
> techniques. If I cannot get more money then some bozo after a
If you know you're better than the bo
Title: RE: Cary's book
That only works up to the point where they are willing to pay. It's sad, but you can STILL get a job with the OCP letters after your name, regardless of what you can or can't do. The idea is that they are paying you bottom line because you have no ex
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> education and my life in general. No, until there aren't more jobs, I'll
> keep on the safe side. That's the part where crisis and CYA methodology
> jump in. I have no solution, but, unfortunately, I don't have
> Christ-like qualities that are asked from me in ever
Robert,
Well said. I think the problem goes farther back than just us sitting in our
cubes. I hate to stereotype, but there is some truth in saying that 'geeks'
tend to be somewhat introverted, where many in management are somewhat
extroverted. This year's IOUG-A Live was a great example. Here we
Marketing is as much as how you present yourself as it is anything else.
I've seen uncertified and unexperienced guys who could write a resume that
would make you think they could walk on water, reorg, defrag, code in C#,
asp and java all while designing the newest, latest, greatest hybrid
automobi
Title: RE: Cary's book
This
is a difficult question that I've had to face more than I would have liked in
the past 2 years. The way to do it is to mark your prices down and say
that comparing bang for the buck, you've got a bigger bang... and maybe they can
squeeze out a bet
Offshore impacts are killers on rates these days... However, It is my
feeling that this will be self correcting in about 2 years when everything
is totally screwed up, and mark my words, things will be. I've seen way to
many offshore projects fail. Big projects will be way over budget, way
behind s
Daniel,
I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to come out
of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is HARD
standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to that room full
of people is one of the hardest things I do. I just make myself... eve
I've spent a lot of my life in highly structured corporate America --
cutthroat corporate.
I've managed not to make enemies, to gain credibility, to make my
issues known, to learn when to fight and when to compromise.
The techniques I used are in the presentation I'm giving at UKOUG :)
--- Nu
Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid and nobody would correct or interject his monologues.
He further ruminates over that not being a proper way to handle a
performance problem.
Freeman Robert - IL scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> Daniel,
>
> I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to
> come out of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is
> HARD standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to
> that room
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:54, Daniel Fink wrote:
> Robert,
> training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
> communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've actually taken Dale-Carnegie class. You can judge my success
by my emails. Introvert is one thing I've
Title: RE: Cary's book
HEY... I took those classes. Didn't help a wit.
I REMEMBER one of the laws... but it is just SO hard..
Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Title: RE: Cary's book
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If you can't get through the screeners that say... oh, you
h
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid and nobody would correct or interject his monologues.
He further ruminates over that not being a pr
Bill - Well you could get their attention by crashing a hummer into their
building. JUST KIDDING. Actually, I think the book for you might be What
Color is Your Parachute. The "system" is set up to favor someone with the
right experience and credentials and age. There are many people that don't
fit
BA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things
Title: RE: Cary's book
The only way you can look bad to the bottom line is
if what you charge for your work costs more than the business gains by what you
have done/are going to do. If you spend 40 hours shaving 5 minutes off of
a 4 hour batch job that has a 5 hour window to run then y
> training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
> communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
with people.
--- Daniel Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Well said. I think the pro
to make it big in the Herbalife business
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
pl
sanity.
Can anyone relate to this scenario?
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:29, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
>The manager feels awkward in being forced to hire an expert in an area
> he/she knows nothing about. Tries to make suggestions in order to flush out
> whether this "expert" really knows anything.
And you call a guy who makes suggestions abo
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:49, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
>
> I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
> with people.
Navy seals do that as well.
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Mladen
Well, from the manager's point of view it probably seems like
"challenging your knowledge", but that isn't my usual reaction. Just ask my
boss.
But my point is that when the secretary misunderstood you, your reaction
at the time probably wasn't sincere sympathy for her plight. With yea
Subject: RE: Cary's book
Mladen
Well, from the manager's point of view it probably seems like
"challenging your knowledge", but that isn't my usual reaction. Just ask my
boss.
But my point is that when the secretary misunderstood you, your reaction
at the
iness works. Those who do this
are the successful ones, and my observation is that I rarely hear them
cussing management. This is usually because, they either change the
world around them, or they move on to a place where they can be
effective.
My opinion, YMMV,
Robert
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command to study some arcane item that doesn't have a visible pay back.
Heck, I bet most clients/management only think of the DBA's when things blow
up and then not necessarily in a positive way.
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I too have gone crazy on a number of occasions.
For an longer list, please mail me off the list.
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From: Mladen GogalaSent: 10/3/2003 1:02:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Cary's book On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:29, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: >
sorry Jared, I have to tell this story on myself:
at UKOUG in '99, I did a presentation on 24x7 options. I was being very
professional so I was standing in front of the room wearing a skirt,
instead of pants.
I said to the room "being a paranoid DBA, I tend to want to wear a
belt, have elastic in
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
>
> sorry Jared, I have to tell this story on myself:
>
> at UKOUG in '99, I did a presentation on 24x7 options. I was being very
> professional so I was standing in front of the room wearing a skirt,
> instead of pants.
>
> I said to the room "being a paranoid DBA, I te
"Great Britain and the United States are two nations separated by a common
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sorry Jared, I have to tell this story on myself:
at UKOUG in '99, I did
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Mladen Gogala
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I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made
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>
> Mladen, this is not directed specifically at you, but you have raised
> something in m
Looks like this discussion is moving into peopleskills-l.
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A few years ago being an experienced DBA was a valuable commodity and
we
really enjoyed that. But the managers were very frustrated by having to
search hard for a DBA, pay spiraling salary demands, etc. I think some
managers look on these times as their revenge. What some DBAs see as pay
cuts the
management here doesn't believe in time off for user group meetings.
which is sort of to the point of this discussion. They want me to be up
to speed on all the latest, greatest, bells and whistles of Oracle but
they won't give me the time or money for the acquisition of that
knowledge.
--- Bob
I can get the time off but they will not pay for anything out-of-state.
in-state, I have to repay every cent spent if I leave before 365 days of
the expendature. That is if you can get any training approved. I usually
spend my own buck$ if I can afford it.
Ron mª¿ªm
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--- Bob Metelsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Its funny, I attended the recent NYOUG (Rachael where were you???)
Hey, I was there, I even presented. What am I, chopped liver?
;-)
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> --- Bob Metelsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Its funny, I attended the recent NYOUG (Rachael where were
> you???)
>
> Hey, I was there, I even presented. What am I, chopped liver?
>
> ;-)
Sure, I can take it. ;-)
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> > --- Bob Metelsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >
> > > Its funny, I attended the recent NYOUG (Rachael where
I look better in a skirt than you do :)
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>
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OT list please.
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I've got Cary's book for about a week now and I have a comment. On page 12
he defines response time as
"The elapsed time between the end of an inquiry or demand on a computer
system and the beginning of a response; for example, the length of the time
between an indication o
Hi List,
I have placed an order for Cary's book @bookpool.
Does someone know when it will be in stock ?
Can Mr.Cary Millsap let me know that ?
Regards,
Jp.
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Since everyone is jumping on this non technical thread I thought I would
too...
Certainly the first chapter was fresh and brought some aspects of
performance tuning into perspective. Specifically keeping a "big picture"
perspectivehow true...
in that vein I ask..
Why do we do the work we do.
> In the end... They will remember who you were as a person.
Hmmm... Is there a certification test I can take to prove "I'm a real
live boy."
Pinocchio
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Since everyone is jumping on this n
Odland, Brad scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
>
> Why do we do the work we do...??
because after 35 years of programming, database design and development and
DBA work, when i get to solve the problem in an elegant manor the rush is
still there.
--
Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA
>>As Robert said...some battles are best left unfought (or at least given
>>some attention)
Or, as some of us in the Southern U.S. would say:
"A dog will whip a skunk every time. But sometimes, it's not worth the
stink."
Gotta love OT Fridays. :)
Brian
-
| Bri
Reminds me of another reason managers despise DBAs. I would venture to guess
that the better DBAs have a pretty good I.Q. score. Sometimes that produces
a love-hate relationship. They want to hire someone smart, but are irritated
about having a smartie around.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[
D]>
cc:
Subject: RE: Cary's book - Waxing philosophic
>>As Robert said...some battles are best left unfought (or at least given
>>some attention)
Or, as some of us in the Southern U.S. would say:
"A dog will whip a skunk every time. But sometimes, it's
ENNIS WILLIAMSSent: 10/3/2003 2:05:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Cary's book - Waxing philosophic Reminds me of another reason managers despise DBAs. I would venture to guess that the better DBAs have a pretty good I.Q. score. Sometimes that produces a love-hate relationship. T
Friday, October 3, 2003, 4:34:33 PM, you wrote:
RC> management here doesn't believe in time off for user group meetings.
Methinks I've been very lucky. I haven't had a job in years
where anyone watched my time so closely for something like a
user group meeting to even be an issue. Autonomy and
fle
omplete and the user has to ask 10 questions to
get at the one real answer he's after then what good is a fast response
time?
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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:09 PM
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I've got Cary's book for about a week now a
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of "perceived response
time". Some applications break long transactions into several user
interactions to hide the real response time. The application still makes
its SLA defined as "90% of transactions complete in < 3 seconds" while the
real trans
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
post?
At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
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tells me that, when it comes to the perception, all of the
above plays certain role. People tend to be much less satisfied with
annoying and ugly applications and can frequently claim that they're
slow. It's not just performance, it's the quality of the application,
as well. What Cary
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:39, Orr, Steve wrote:
> So to define response time you must first define "response?"
Response time is best illustrated in the "Man in Black" movie,
when agent Kay tells to agent Jay not to ever press that button
(scene in the car). That response time was probably tuned by
lick and the
user hitting the back arrow or closing the browser or clicking on the
submit button again because they have become impatient with what they
see as no response at all.
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> I've got Cary's book for about a week now and
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
> A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
> post?
>
> At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
>
> Wolfgang Breitling
> Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
> Centrex Consulting Corporation
> ht
It's called "optimization".
Do you really need to see your post? -:)
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Wolfgang Breitling
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A totally different point: How come I see your response bef
ROTFLMAO
RF
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I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
> A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see
my own
> post?
>
> At 12:39 PM 1
Actually, something must be wrong with my feed. There are several gaps in
the messages judging from the quoted original, which I never saw, in a
response.
At 03:24 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
> A totally different po
te:
> Hi List,
>
> I have placed an order for Cary's book @bookpool.
> Does someone know when it will be in stock ?
>
> Can Mr.Cary Millsap let me know that ?
>
> Regards,
> Jp.
>
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hope O'reilly prints some more soon.
Jp.
22-9-2003 22:09:40, Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's up to the publisher as to when they will print more, Cary has no
>control over that.
>However... it apparently never GOT to Amazon, as I had it on pre-order
>there, and it is still list
Monday, September 22, 2003, 7:39:38 AM, Prem Khanna wrote:
PKJ> I have placed an order for Cary's book @bookpool.
PKJ> Does someone know when it will be in stock ?
We, as in O'Reilly, shipped Cary's books *to* Bookpool on
the 16th. Actually, we shipped some on the 12th and mo
Title: RE: Cary's book -- Out of stock !
Ah Cary, you're not giving yourself enough credit. It'll probably be sold out by the end of this week at the latest. It's like the "hottest" book out there now (seriously). I know I showed someone here the pre-released
e I can get a copy soon.
>
> From: Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/09/22 Mon AM 09:09:40 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !
>
> It's up to the publisher as
In Fact... it looks like I just might have Cary's book at home. USPS says
it's delivered!!! WOO HOO! Perhaps I should offer it up to the highest
bidder! Start an Ebay auction for it!
RF
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Wel
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>
> what was the initial printing?
>
> congrats Cary. Hope I can get a copy soon.
> >
> > From: Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/09/22 Mon AM 09:09:40 EDT
> > To: Multiple recipients
Title: RE: Cary's book -- Out of stock !
Mine came in the mail yesterday as well. First couple of chapters are out of the way. Reading a technical book and football games are a wonderful thing.
greg
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From: Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Hmmmjust received confirmation that my order from Amazon has
shipped. However, Mladen's situation has given me cause to pause.
While I have not had a problem with Amazon in the past, I will look at
alternatives...just in case.
-D-
Mladen Gogala wrote:
You got it from the Amazon??? Below i
I ordered my copy from Bookpool on September 18 and it was out-of-stock
at that time. I'm waiting patiently.
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i placed my order at bookpool on 20-09-2003.
...anxiously waiting for my
I've never had any problem of any sort with a half dozen or so orders from
bookpool.com. It looks like they're just out of stock, for which I'm partly
to blame. :) I ordered mine on the morning of the 16th and received an
e-mail the night of the 16th that it shipped.
GL!
Rich
Rich Jesse
>> Yes, unfortunately those of us who have had the courage and accepted
>> the responsibility of bringing children to the world have to sometimes
>> take the bad with the good.
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd wager I have more than just about a
Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
12:09 PM
> Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
> sure I'd wager I have more than just about anyone else here on
Oracle-L
> in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
I've six here.
~brian
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Ooops, did I send private instead of public? Apologies
if so. It's late here and I'm half asleep already.
Just waiting for the flu pills to kick in.
> in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
3 here. Only 2 now.
> Also, I'm rapidly becomming a single
> parent, a
Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support. Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
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> Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
> 12:09 PM
>
> > Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
> > sure..
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
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Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support.
Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
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03/2003 10:39 AM
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Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support. Anyone
Reply is inline.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 14:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Very interesting and relevant discussion.
A good one for Friday. TGIF.
> I see this as an opportunity to make myself more valuable to the
> company, and
> intend to take advantage of it.
Jared, you are valuable to us, ORAC
OH NO!!!
>> 7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
reminds me of Ghostbusters:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical
proportion.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical?"
Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real
wrath-of-God type stuff. Fires
I can smell your house. I have 2 cats.
"Bellow, Bambi" wrote:
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> 7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
>
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> Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support.
Title: RE: Cary's book - Rapidly moving OT
We have 5 also. All teens now. Very scary. Braces, learning to drive, starting college. I hope yours were more spred out.
Why? How? Three little girls, that's about right, then Surprise, twin boys. Uh oh.
Wouldn't trade them f
Mine are all from 1.5 to 2 years apart. 10 to 18 woo hoo!
Of course, about 1/2 of the available women in the world run yelling when I
tell them I have custody of 5 kids. Since the other 1/2 are married, that
leaves me high and dry! ;-)
RF
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Subject: RE: Cary's book - Rapidly moving OT
We have 5 also. All teens now. Very scary. Braces, learning to drive, starting college. I hope yours were more spred out.
Why? How? Three little girls, that's about right, then Surprise, twin boys. Uh oh.
Wouldn
Sorry
Jared, I responded before I got far enough in the list to see your
post.
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> Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of "perceived response
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we do. We aren't 24x7, but we are 5 am Monday through 6 pm Saturday with a 48 hour permissible window IF we declare an emergency and give them 30 days notice if we are going to be down outside of the regular hours (i.e. upgrades... )
April We
Yep, sounds familiar. So there you have your biggest hurdle for the
performance project: getting the business to set measurable targets and
prioritize the tasks that need attention. How do you "Work first to reduce
the biggest response time component of a business' most important user
action."
Wolfgang,
Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 2:04:24 PM, you wrote:
W> A totally different point: How come I see your response before I
W> see my own post?
Sounds like you can see into the future. Would you mind reading the
Wall Street journal and reporting back to us?
-rje
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Please see the official
Unfortunately it's not my ability to see into the future, but an inability
to see all of the past.
Now what was that I was looking for?
At 03:34 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang,
Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 2:04:24 PM, you wrote:
W> A totally different point: How come I see your response before
What is?
Customer: The application. Make it fast.
Me: Define fast.
Customer: As fast as possible. Do it now.
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