FOSS ppl cannot sell too close to the software. They must go further up
the food chain - services, premium attention, warantty support, branded
confidence.
MySQL had a bad dual licence model which (i read from an early
interview) didn't return what they expected. Free begets free riders.
Don'
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Lawyers, doctors, they just see you for 15 seconds and you pay. Can
anyone really do this for software? its hard sell unless you come in as
"consultant" .
By using this model (lawyer) however or paid services, how does a
company export its own products since they are not the core developer of
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Excellent reply red1.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:29 AM, red1 wrote:
>
> This is where the red tape does not get it. They want things right, not
> the right thing. Innovation just cannot happen in a petri dish. It
> happens when someone mistakenly kicked the petri dish and spoilt an
> experiment.
Glad to meet you here again! Hope we week each other out more and work
on some real challenge. How about a viral ERP?
On a sidenote of praise for the feds, i think OSCC and MDec has done
alot in bringing the many of us together into corridors. I really did
not know any local similar spirited o
This is where the red tape does not get it. They want things right, not
the right thing. Innovation just cannot happen in a petri dish. It
happens when someone mistakenly kicked the petri dish and spoilt an
experiment. It is made of accidents. Marie Curie, Thomas Edison,
Benjamin Franklin, pen
boh, from your writing, the first thing that came to my mind is that we need
people who are willing to solve real problems. genuinely helping other
people to solve a problem. not about making a fast buck.
ditesh and marcus, that is so true...
hasan and amran, maybe we should propose to mdec to sp
Betul tu encik Amran. Diorang dapat pre-seed sebab diorang dapat jawab
soalan "How do you get income from this project?"...untuk jangka masa
pendek, maksud saya pendapatan di depan mata hasil penjualan e-card,
berapa ringgit sekeping, kalau seringgit sekeping 1juta dapat RM1juta.
Bila cakap pasal
Saya suka foldees.com hasil dari pre-seed juga. Ada projek yang bagus,
ada projek kadang-kadang kita tak tau apa yang akan naik e.g search
engine - google ? (sedangkan ada banyak search engine sebelum dia),
webmail - gmail (yahoo ,hotmail dah ada, kenapa nak ada satu lagi
webmail ?
Ahmad Amran Ka
This project called Coconect http://www.coconect.com
Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
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That's the spirit! I like to see ALL people who able to work without
fund from government, such as this
http://madeonmac.com/2009/09/my-interview-on-msc-grant/ guys just won
RM150K pre-seed fund for developing a website serving e-cards!
Come on guys, wtf was that? our government spent almost RM14
>red1 wrote:
>In the next morning talk, he supported the maxim that "Prophets are
>rejected by their own people"
Darn , memories are coming back to me , had to share this one ...
I must admit in my younger days i had the same mentality. When i was
first asked to switch my studies to part time
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
wrote:
> it's available for free?"... Most people still don't understand how to
> generate money from FOSS.
Judging by how many Malaysian IT companies have made it to the
international stage, looks like many people don't understand how to
ge
Up until now most OSDC.my activities fund by volunteers own pocket
money and most of them are freelance contribute their time to promote
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I am agree with Boh, this is a sosio-economic problem. I am working
with an IT firm and our business model doesn't reach Google's or
Ubuntu's business model yet, we like to adopt it, but we CAN'T. It may
takes 5-10 years to see it happens here. "How do you sell FOSS when
it's available for free?".
hi all,
A few post earlier, the question of
"How do I eat, while I work on free SW?"
is a very valid question, especially more so in our so called
'developing world'.
Someone has to pay... or rather the developer has some form of income.
I think the issue is also socio-economic related.
In
Real life stories like these gives us the spirit. Its nice to know there
are still fighters around at every corner.
I agree with David Axmark's talk that points to the condition where more
time spent coding brought them fame rather than time writing a business
case. They know nothing akin to M
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Marcus wrote:
> He was jobless when he did that? I didn't assume he asked for funding, i
And in fact, they also rejected funding early on coming from prominent sources.
As David says, "Know what you need, not what you want" :)
Ditesh
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red1 wrote:
> Nothing but agreement here! They just do not love what they do not know.
> Like the saying, "tak kenal maka tak cinta"
> Its not just here, but world
He was jobless when he did that? I didn't assume he asked for funding, i
just assumed he had spare time and an existing paid job. At least that
is how the traditional school was to me...fund your own ideas with your
own money.
When i first co-started a company in 1999, i swiped my credit card R
Nothing but agreement here! They just do not love what they do not know.
Like the saying, "tak kenal maka tak cinta"
Its not just here, but worldwide the ratio of mathematical minds are a
fraction. One way out I can do is to inspire rather than teach.
I am not a guru on Java, so that is why i wa
Boh,
if you ever received thread about LinuxVarsiti in Python.my mlist..
that's why I'm want your community join us..
too bad there's no one from language community ever appear at last event..
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Boh Yap wrote:
>
> hi red1 & all,
>
> now you are talking
>
> wi
hi red1 & all,
now you are talking
with due respect, the current LinuxU program, as I see it, is good;
but its only spreading the love, NOT the skills!
With a programming workshop as you are suggesting, that is spreading
the skills, and I'm more motivated to participate.
But this a more in
I know. Its no excuse and I openly admit it. Late night unfortunately though
I agree, missing his talk was inexcusable.
Ditesh, thanks a mill dude. Greatly appreciated
-BRIAN RITCHIE
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:56 PM, red1 wrote:
>
> Brian,
> Shame on you! Overshot alarm clock? :)
> Well, even t
Brian,
Shame on you! Overshot alarm clock? :)
Well, even though its uploaded to youtube later, nothing beats been
there in person. You could see his body language and glimmer in his eyes
when he said what he said,
"We do have a business plan. It is only a single paper with a single
line, 'We t
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:45 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
wrote:
> Ditesh,
>
> Any chance his presentation will be uploaded/circulated ? I was one of the
> few guilty ones that missed due to an overshot alarm clock. :-(
We're chasing up for the video! But here are a couple screencaps:
http://bytebot.pos
Ditesh,
Any chance his presentation will be uploaded/circulated ? I was one of the
few guilty ones that missed due to an overshot alarm clock. :-(
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Ditesh Kumar wrote:
>
> 2009/10/29 Marcus :
> > Until then... funds are required to get things working. The guy on
2009/10/29 Marcus :
> Until then... funds are required to get things working. The guy on mysql
> wouldn't even be able to survice if he didn't have
I don't think this is an accurate representation of MySQL's history.
You should have attended David Axmark's talk on Sunday morning where
one can be
In some ways that is very true. One day someone might invent
that star-trek device that can create food, gold or anything by just
adding electrons to atoms. Then everyone can
work for free and the betterment of human race.
Until then... funds are required to get things working. The guy on
my
menarik..
2009/10/29 red1
>
> Baru tadi saya berbincang dengan Azrul untuk mengemukakan satu rancangan
> yang boleh menarik peminat khusus iaitu satu program (yg boleh tumpang
> atas Linux Varsiti) tetapi khusus dan panjang sikit:
>
> 1. Satu minggu di setiap varsiti secara khusus selepas pamera
Saya baru mendapatkan khidmat nasihat mengenai hasrat saya untuk
membangunkan Malaysian Common Desktop dengan wakil MDec di Kelantan.
Nampaknya beliau sangat berminat dengan idea tersebut, namun dengan
satu pertanyaan, "Bagaimana anda mendapatkan keuntungan dari produk
ini"
Saya tidak berhasrat u
nice.
red1 wrote:
> Baru tadi saya selesai menghadiri forum anjuran MDec bersama FOSSmy
> dimana beberapa tokoh dunia seperti Brian Aker dan David Axmark (rakan
> pereka MySQL). Setelah mendedahkan soal budaya yang sama dirasai oleh
> mereka walaupun di Eropah, dimana mereka sendiri tidak ada
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