Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Robin Moon
Rhonda,   with all due respect for your friend, unattended children at a hospital birth can very stressful for the staff. A lot of staff will take the attitude that they're not required to look after the child  and wont make an effort. A lot of staff will get very anxious that such a little o

Re: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I interpreted Pete to mean that NMAP and PI insurance are separate though concurrent issues and that he supports both. marilyn - Original Message - From: "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salarie

Re: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
- Original Message - From: "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI > Not sure if I have interpreted what you have said correctly Peter. Based on > my interpretation

Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I do believe that GP's and Physios and any other healthcare provider who is salaried or contracted to a govt agency in one way or another has to work by practice guidelines, procedures, and protocols: I have seen them, the big folders with the paper in them. I would totally expect that midwives co

RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Robyn Thompson
This is the type of attitude that will unite midwives and enhance our Professional maturation. Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sally Westbury Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sub

RE: [ozmidwifery] Salaried Vs Contract including PI

2002-11-24 Thread Robyn Thompson
Not sure if I have interpreted what you have said correctly Peter. Based on my interpretation I offer my response to the extract below. I still believe that PI should be available to those who wish to practice privately as well but see that as another issue. Professional Inde

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Rhonda
This reminded me of a woman I know who had not intended her 2yr old son to be at the birth of her second child. When she went into labour she could not get hold of her back up child care. So they went to the hospital and hubby had the 2yr old - trying to

[ozmidwifery] Tech Support

2002-11-24 Thread Pinky McKay
Funny.Dear Tech Support,Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a slow down in the overall performance, particularly in the flower and jewellery applications that had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition,Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuab

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Jo & Dean Bainbridge
Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for a carpark, can't talk much then either Oh Megan! Does that mean you are one of 'those' car park seekers who take the challenge to find the perfect park very seriously!!! Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL P

Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread jireland
thanks I'm in melbourne and that is part of my plan jan   - Original Message - From: Larry & Megan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn Don't know where you are, but again I would recomm

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Debby M
Thomas 5 was at the birth of his little sister Sept just gone. We prepared by talking about birth and looking at a video and some pictures. He had no problems about the ladies making "noise" but wasn't too keen on the plancenta. He gave us a funny moment when I found a clip on the internet of the

[ozmidwifery] Sheila Kitzinger in Australia

2002-11-24 Thread barbara glare & chris bright
Hi, Just wanted to let you know that Sheila Kitzinger will be touring Australia next Feb on behalf of the National Association of Childbirth Educators (Sydney) and The Australian Breastfeeding Association (Melbourne and Adelaide) To full programs and registration forms go to http://www.breastfeedi

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Larry & Megan
We planned on having out two sons present at the birth at home of number three, boys were 3 1/2years and just under two. I showed them the video of number two being born, water birh at home, we watched it lots and also some other videos our midwife lent us. I told them about the noise I might make

RE: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread Larry & Megan
Don't know where you are, but again I would recommend an experienced cranial osteopath. Not saying it will cure anything, but will rule out some things. Regardless, the difference osteopathic treatment does to the body is worth its weight in gold.   worth a try, Megan. -Original Mess

[ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

2002-11-24 Thread Robyn Borgas
Hi sarah, My daughter Nicole was 41/2 years old at the birth of her sister. I've found children are very accepting of birth when you treat it as a 'special family' event, not something to be frightened of. I talked to her about the noises I would make, that I would be in the bath (once I'm in labo

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2002-11-24 Thread Jenny Balnaves
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FW: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Sally Westbury
I agree that birthing choice must be a freely (in both senses of the word) available for all women. GP's practice with a huge amount of autonomy. No-one dictates to them how they run their practice but they can if they choose bulk bill and so provide free service to their clients. GP's can use a

Re: [ozmidwifery] True Knots

2002-11-24 Thread Lois Wattis
Congratulations on travelling with this woman on her journey through the fear barrier, Rosemary.  Well done also in 'speaking to' the other attending midwife about her remarks which would not have been helpful to the woman.  It takes courage to challenge colleagues.  Many have been saying an

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'bits' watching

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I hate to admit this, but as a student I managed to watch the vulva open while the woman was on the birth stool. I was just entranced. If it helps these were women who knew me over the period of their pregnancy, knew I was a student and where happy to participate in the process. I am still e

Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Jan: This is the first time someone has described what I thought I observed in my 2nd daughter 24 yrs ago following her vaginal breech birth. I was fearful at the time that it was early signs of cerebral palsy since even then family and friends were shaking fingers at me for putting myself f

Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I totally agree with what Pete has said probably because I too have a strong socialist heart. I do believe that different localities can sort out with the women and midwives in their particular area practice guidelines, procedures, and protocols that are based on the midwifery model of care that al

Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread Kirsten Blacker
by day 6 if bf well I'd exclude hypoglycaemic, especially if output is good. Prophet of doom in me says maybe something neurological? Kirsten - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 200

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'bits' watching

2002-11-24 Thread Aviva Sheb'a
Good one, Judy. Birthing stools are ancient and brilliant. According to the Torah, there's no one so wise, respected and admired as the women who are with the women upon their birthing stools. aviva - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, Novemb

Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread Rhonda
My girlfriend had a jittery baby - FT - from memory just over 6 lbs - had jaundice for some time (was under lights for a long time and came home still yellow) and did not breast feed well.  He would sort of jerk his arms - or shake them at times but it stopped whe

Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Sally i would personally like that also But call it Midicare Denise - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > My preferred option is that we shou

Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the power of the mind

2002-11-24 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the power of the mind From: Carolyn Donaghey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why do women who avoid alcohol, panadol and soft cheese for 9 months suddenly become happy about ingesting drugs more powerful than any of these and any they are likely to take in their life?

Re: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.....when Sally met Harry....(Long)

2002-11-24 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the B Mid Student Collective...we are bantering around the possibility of putting a book together of our follow thru experiences 'with woman'..written by BMidders wh

[ozmidwifery] FW: Vic greens website features NMAP

2002-11-24 Thread Justine Caines
FROM Sally-Anne for your info -- Forwarded Message > From: "Sally-Anne Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:35:03 +1100 > To: "Ausbirthing Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ausbirthingcommunity] vic greens website features NMAP > > Hi e

FW: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract

2002-11-24 Thread Sally Westbury
My preferred option is that we should have a medicare rebate for birthing service that could be used with a midwife. Our women would be public clients (with public hospital as back-up) and so insured through the health dept risk cover. This is simply women choosing where the money that is going to

Re: [ozmidwifery] going off-list

2002-11-24 Thread Pinky McKay
Hi jen, Have a lovely Christmas and enjoy the special time with your mum. By teh way I still have Larissa string intact - a few funny questions about my "bangle" Best wishes, Pinky - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear?

2002-11-24 Thread Sarah Slater
Dear Robyn, I cannot believe your reflexologist suggested to get an epidural early?! I don't know what to say! Wow! I guess I'm surprised that someone like that would say that. That's one of the last things you want to hear. I got goosebumps reading your sentence "the most empowering and fulfil

Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.....when Sally met Harry....(Long)

2002-11-24 Thread jireland
  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long) In a message dated 24/11/02 10:16:24 AM AUS Eastern Daylight T

[ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

2002-11-24 Thread jireland
Case to ponder 4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram baby SVD under water at home apgars 9+10 .breast feed well mother GBS + AND DECLINED abs unless PROM or prem birth etc etc No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days some transient

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'bits' watching

2002-11-24 Thread Debby M
Hhhhmmm, although I would consider myself very uninhibited - have even been known to walk around the house for most of the day with nothing but a pair of knickers on (too much information?) - and I certainly  had no qualms about stripping it all off when I was in labour - I don't think I would wa