[PAYCO] Re: PAC Members moving over to other parties ?

2008-11-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades I have not been accessing this payco group for some time because of the mammoth task facing us. I was referred to this article below by comrades in the Eastern Cape. As I am writting this e-mail, I have not read it. After reading it, I will respond to cde Mashao accordingly. I know how to

[PAYCO] PAM - Registered + IEC Certificate

2009-02-16 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Ma-Afrika PAM is now registered with the IEC as an official political party in this country with an official IEC certificate. Skwatsha is now a loser. It is now time for people to stop being paper-tigers excelling in talking in this discussion group converting the converted. Let us all go out and

[PAYCO] Re: Confusion

2009-10-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Jack Welcome back from very long political leave. Ndakugqibela kudala, Son of the Soil, during your disruptive young life as a leader of the then notorious watchdogs within the Pan Africanist fold fighting against the Constituent Assembly. I last saw you very active in Uitenhage in real co

[PAYCO] Re: Confusion

2009-10-19 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Morwa I hope you know what you are talking about. But, do not worry I will clear your confusion around this matter , once and for all in my future responses to Cde Mawande Jack. This payco group is not intended to be for leader's faction but for engaging Pan Africanists in order to develo

[PAYCO]

2009-10-19 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Mawande You seem to suggest that those who remained within the PAC have done the noblest thing on Earth. According to you, those who left PAC and re-launched PAM have done disservice to both PAC and the African Revolution, and to be harsh, they are traitors to the African Cause. Correct

[PAYCO] THE SHARPEVILLE MASSACRE Its historic significance in the struggle against apartheid by David M. Sibeko

2010-03-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
David M. Sibeko is the PAC fire-eater who was gunned down in exile during the past PAC inner-party struggles. He was the most vocal PAC representative at the United Nations. Fortunately, today's PAC struggles have no known casualties, yet ( *azikaphumi nadlolwazana okwa ngoku*). History nearly re

Re: [PAYCO] Poverty levels in Venezuela headed for z ero per cent – Chavez

2010-03-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Venezuela is our model. Go to Venezuela Analysis - http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/ to read more about their achievements with their "21st Century" Socialism. You can subscribe free to get updates. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Sbusiso Xaba wrote: > World without poverty is possible > htt

Re: [PAYCO] PAYCO Website Updates

2010-03-30 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Son of the Soil May you please do the same for the former PASO / PASM leaders, if PASMA has not done so, yet. We are also looking for the photo of the founding PASO NEC members with Zephania Mothopeng blessing our founding congress. I only have mine with Zeph Mothopng,"The Lion of Azania", taken

Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall...

2010-05-03 Thread Chargein Mabaso
I agree with Nrumah. As Pan Africanists we have correct political line and ideology. Problem: rhetoric and vulgarizaton of Pan Africanism. Our main rival, the ruling party, mastered what Pan Africaists are very weak at doing: understanding and practicing political hegemony and the notion of "From t

Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall...

2010-05-05 Thread Chargein Mabaso
l in the PAC but not today. > > counter revolutionaries will never chat a revolutionary way forward > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Chargein Mabaso > wrote: > >> I agree with Nrumah. As Pan Africanists we have correct political line >> and ideology. Problem: rheto

Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC

2010-06-04 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Cde Narius Evertime I read your contribution in this group makes me wonder what are your intentions. I sometimes wonder what makes so adamant about your wrong positions. Where are you paying your allegiance to? To the PAC you claim to be loyal to or to Letlapa, ...? You sound like a factionalist y

Re: [PAYCO] Re: KA-PLAATJIE JOINS ANC

2010-06-07 Thread Chargein Mabaso
n 7, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Narius Moloto wrote: > Chargein mabaso. > > Would you like to come back the pac?i do have an application form waiting > for you.but you must resign from pam first. > > *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf > Of *Charge

[PAYCO] EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND MATHEMATCS!!!

2010-06-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Ma-Afrika Malcom X advises all revolutionaries to go into business in order to be independent from limitatitions of employment. Even Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe resigned and left his well paying job at Wits Unversity to be off the hook before he could embark on the Revolution fulltime. To do that, yo

[PAYCO] Fwd: RAND MERCHANT BANK(1).doc

2011-02-08 Thread Chargein Mabaso
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Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2012-02-10 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face instead of focusing at t

Re: RE: [PAYCO] SOBUKWE WILL NEVER DIE

2012-04-05 Thread Chargein Mabaso
too talked of a Socialist Government and Kwame Nkrumah referred to an All-African Socialist Government. Nkrumah went to say we are for Scientific Socialism, not ''African Socialism''. In his book 'African Socialism Revised' Izwe Lethu! Chargein Mabaso 0710203554 On

Re: RE: [PAYCO] SOBUKWE WILL NEVER DIE

2012-04-05 Thread Chargein Mabaso
too talked of a Socialist Government and Kwame Nkrumah referred to an All-African Socialist Government. Nkrumah went to say we are for Scientific Socialism, not ''African Socialism''. In his book 'African Socialism Revised' Izwe Lethu! Chargein Mabaso 0710203554 On

Re: [PAYCO] Thoughts on the leadership challenge in the party

2012-04-07 Thread Chargein Mabaso
M-Afrika, your input is inspiring. Our three greatest mistakes are: 1. Our Party is abandoned by its own cadres, its backbone. Private family matters count most to most cadres today. Revolution comes second. There are no professional revolutionaries who take revolution as their fulltime professio

Re: [PAYCO] THE PAC IS NOT READY FOR A NATIONAL CONGRESS

2012-04-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Narius If you are an honest and loyal PAC member interested in uniting and rebuilding PAC as you claim, you are expected to respect and comply with the PAC Constitution all the time. You are also expected to draw lessons from past PAC precedences in resolving its problems and past PAC succ

Re: [PAYCO] Fw: Are you a delegate in national...

2012-07-02 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, PAC was turned into a joke not only by Letlapa. The problem can be best traced back to Thohoyandou congress. PAC crisis reached its climax at Qwaqwa congress. It was for the'first time PAC congress elected only seven NEC members (President, Deputy President, Secretary - General, Deputy S

Re: [PAYCO] Rejecting the infantile leadership claim !!

2012-07-10 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, The ongoing discussion about attending the coming congress to be convened in violation of the Party constitution reminds us Robert Mangaliso Sobukhwe. ''Prof'' once said to summed up the ongoing intellectual wavering, ''Watch our movements keenly and if you see any signs of 'broadmindedn

Re: [PAYCO] Rejecting the infantile leadership claim !!

2012-07-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
You can fool others Comrades, surrender, you are surrounded! You can run but not hide for too long! Izwe Lethu! Charge-in Mabaso Former PASO Veteran 0710203554 On 7/10/12, Chargein Mabaso wrote: > Comrades, > > The ongoing discussion about attending the coming congress to be > co

Re: [PAYCO] What the masses will look for in choosing leadership for SA, as they overthrow the ruling regime!!

2012-08-02 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, I did not have time to contribute to the question raised by cde Mashao. That is, the question of revolution or efficiency? I hope I'll have time to write something to contribute to the discussion. It is now enough to state that the same question faced V.I. Lenin and Mao Tse Tung in thei

Re: [PAYCO] What the masses will look for in choosing leadership for SA, as they overthrow the ruling regime!!

2012-08-02 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, I did not have time to contribute to the question raised by cde Mashao. That is, the question of revolution or efficiency? I hope I'll have time to write something to contribute to the discussion. It is now enough to state that the same question faced V.I. Lenin and Mao Tse Tung in thei

Re: [PAYCO] Emailing: 6 MAY RUSTENBURG REVIEW FINAL EDIT.pdf

2012-08-31 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nariuus Such an allegation cannot be true. It is not possible that one individual can hold so many key, critical roles at same time and still do justice to all of them? At the end, it's disservice to all of them. The allegation explains why all those structures play no meaningful role in

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Dual Membership

2012-09-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
012 11:19:54 AM UTC+2, Chargein Mabaso wrote: >> >> Comrades, >> >> Many people are wondering when the unholy marriage of convenience among >> the Tripartite Alliance partners (ANC, COSATU and SACP) will come to an end >> one day. After the Marikana developme

Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

2013-07-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, What Thami said did not come as surprise to many of us. He is a typical political prostitute. What do you expect? He is forced to do so by his political bosses. Thami is the same man who used to quote on public platform the analogy one PAC old cadre, Mtshontshi (Eatern Cape) said as th

Re: [PAYCO] EFF/PAC DECLARATION and COALITION FOR DEMOCRACY DEALS

2014-02-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Ma-Afrika We salute the great efforts to unite all the like-minded revolutionary and progressive forces to defeat the neocolonialist agenda in our country and the continent at large. People should understand the difference between the United Front and a merger, Mao Tse Tung,a communist, could for

Re: [PAYCO] EFF/PAC DECLARATION and COALITION FOR DEMOCRACY DEALS

2014-02-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade, I agree with you on the process that should have been followed by leadership based on democratic centralism.. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Izwe lethu, open Palm Salutation! Sons and Daughters of Africa > > There is a view that

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change. His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti death. .even if he wants

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-20 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . Ma-Afrika, there is no way

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-21 Thread Chargein Mabaso
t;> writing and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this >> blunder. Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this >> blunder, he should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had >> once read it. If the President reads his

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-26 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Eddie. Please nind your language when you talk to another comrades-in-arms. There is neither absolute honest and absolute truth in what is happening in the Pan Africanist fold. Your deeds do not serve PAC interest but those of your faction and enenies, consciously or uncomsciously. We are

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
hen you made noise about leaving the party > of Sobukwe? Announce your intentions to return Cde Mcharge, before you > take center stage. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 11:25 am, Chargein Mabaso wrote: >> Mbinda-Moloto faction can say whatever about Party unity (Bottom up or >

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2016-08-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
ned to PASMA AND ARM? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> *electronically send no signed - authentic * >>>> >>>> Mphiri Masoga >>>> SACWU >>>> T (012) 320 6472 - 5 >>>> F (012) 320 2179 >>>

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-09 Thread Chargein Mabaso
iators. > > Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in > some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to > rebuild ftom the bottom. > > I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > &g

[PAYCO] Re: RE:

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Shocking news! May his soul rest in peace. On 12/09/2016, Mawabo Sijila wrote: > M-Afrika! > Kungosizi ukuvakalisa ngokushiywa kwethu nguCde Lulamile Mdoda, > ngokugwintwa/okanye ukukhuthuzwa, oonongqayi betalipokisi / oonqawayiphuzwa > (amapolisa) basaphanda, ebekwindlela esingise emsebenzini ku

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
he enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the Party > basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at its > roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the movement. A > movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its >

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
to members who are highly factionalised meeting for the first > time at a national conference hoping to achieve unity in less 48 hours > national conference. > > Shango lashu > > On 12 Sep 2016 16:42, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >> &

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
onal leaders and the same > members resort to forge unity from their respective areas and build from > that base. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > > On 12 Sep 2016 18:34, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >> >> Theory is only good if it can

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. The explanation you gave do not assist On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: > Cde Chargin > > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, > > Top-up approach is when members converged for the f

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
ein > > Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge > principled unity? > > Regards > Nkrumah > > On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >> >> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. >> >&

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
> others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution? > > Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols? > > Shango lashu > > Nkrumah > > On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >> >> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
al Conference, that is, Bottom-up and > Dissolution of parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC > National Unity Conference. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > > On 14 Sep 2016 09:40, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
mbership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the > programme to forge principled unity of the PAC;, PAM and any leadership > faction which embraces this call of principled party Unity must also close > ranks and march ahead. > > Shango lashu > > Nkrumah > > On 14 Sep

[PAYCO] Parents' Solidarity to Ongoing Education Crisis

2016-10-19 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, There is need for all parents, educators and academics to stand up and be united to defend the education and future of our children and future generations to come in the ongoing education crisis affecting the education of the African child. The time is now or never! Enough is enough! T