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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the
Beatles albums is suc
n Spratt"
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Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
John,
Perhaps I shouldn't question an artifact you can check against, but the
date makes no historical sense. Brian Wilson b
good
vibrations.
bb
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Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
John,
Perhaps I shouldn't question an artifact you can che
really. Like what for instance.
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Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Actually, I think I heard something about th
rsion. Still,
the stereo set is very well done, the sound is terrific, and the convenience
of a CD undeniably surpasses that of an LP.
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Subject: Re: a question
Actually, I think I heard something about this on television not long ago.
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
This thread
urday, January 02, 2010 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshine,
Vacuum tube stereo receivers have been discontinued cense 1967.
But however, there are still some integrated amplifiers on the market that
uses tubes, but they are very costly.
They are
hine"
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Ok, you would need the winamp vst bridge, version 1.16 cause it has a
second part to load the other vst.
what version of foobar are you usin
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From: "Norma A. Boge"
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the
Beatles albums is such a b
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i can deffinitly agree with this one.
btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a
really
need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the
vst
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I'd be interested to hear these vsts. I use foobar 2000 but I also have
winamp. It might be fun to try it.
What do I need?
bb
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This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the
Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and
Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good
if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized
Seems there are more al
.
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
these are the kind you can record on correct?
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01, 2010 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Wouldn't matter. "Good Vibrations" ws recorded and released only in mono.
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I'd be interested to hear these vsts. I use foobar 2000 but I also have
winamp. It might be fun to try it.
What do I need?
bb
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: a questi
"
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But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and
nothing else! So whether it's in "mono" or "stereo", out of the sub-woofer,
you hear b
But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and
nothing else! So whether it's in "mono" or "stereo", out of the sub-woofer,
you hear base..either way.
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Wouldn't matter. "Good Vibrations" ws recorded and released only in mono.
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
O
Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the
stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But
hey..interesting thought, Robert!
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ase a tube blows out, I have some replacement tubes on hands to
get it back working again.
My best regards.
John.
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint
Nice one Robert. Sounds kinda fun!!
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
sure you do. Stick it under your bed.
sure you do. Stick it under your bed. Just imagine feeling those
vibrations.
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Yup..I k
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Why not invest in a subwoofer?
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I don&#
Yup..I know what they are (I have one for the speakers that are connected to
my computer)..am sure it would help if I had one on my stereo system..but as
I said..just don't have a place to put one!
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Discussion List"
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The speakers have woofers in them (I assume they're "sub-woofers"..another
speaker; just would be what I need for this already crammed up room!
To unsub
The speakers have woofers in them (I assume they're "sub-woofers"..another
speaker; just would be what I need for this already crammed up room!
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Why not invest in a subwoofer?
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I don't know if this has anything to do with it..
these are the kind you can record on correct?
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From: "DJ DOCTOR P"
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshine,
Try any high end stereo sho
I don't know if this has anything to do with it..but I find (with this JVC
stereo receiver I have)..I'm running some old Technique speakers"..and while
the base response is adequate, it's not a real hard thumping base; don't
know if it's the speakers or the stereo receiver itself (I keep the bas
High Sunshine,
Try any high end stereo shop in your area.
They run somewhere in between $25 $30.
My best regards.
John.
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joi
wasn't there a sound card that uses tubes?
bb
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From: "Sunshine"
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
can yu give me an idea of where i can lo
w the days of pure music are over.
nn
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From: "Sunshine"
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
you know brent, and others.
todays music systems that are
can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost?
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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshi
of those speakers, they sound really nice!
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From: "Sunshine"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
you know brent, and others.
todays music systems
"Tom Kaufman"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend
(great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess
:08 PM
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absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy!
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Subject: Re: a ques
It would be interesting to hear that comparison. I truly believe it.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Well Brett a
Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend
(great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen
years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along
with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one
son
absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy!
bb
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From: "Sunshine"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
also tom, and others
Amen and Amen! And you'd think as the equipment supposedly has gotten
better, the sound would be better; not necessarily so!
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gards.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hey sunshine!
I can agree with you on that, When I'm producing music, I tr
regards.
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From: "Sunshine"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has t
oing music
together.
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From: "DJ DOCTOR P"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo
scussion List"
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also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s
has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound
that is more human then di
,70s, has a lot
of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hig
regards.
John.
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From: "Tom Kaufman"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create t
In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound
they had back then as the world of "digital equipment" just doesn't allow
for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good,
wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it
ess audio files.
My best regards.
John.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Yeah..and now it doesn't even have that same intensity an
Hi, Thanks John, for the explanation.
Vicky
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Vicky,
No, the voice is always in the m
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I have tried Nero
I'm not sure what other programs to check with. And, your right, I'm
beginning to be suspicious.
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint ste
I have tried Nero 7 and Express Rip. Same results.
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Garry,
Have you tried usin
That's sad to hear. My sincerest condolences.
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
To all concerned,
I have sa
Yeah..and now it doesn't even have that same intensity anymore; when I
listen to a stereo recording, it almost sounds now like the same instruments
are coming through both channels! Not so in the 60s; fact is..if you didn't
have both speakers on, you didn't get all the instrumentation!
Tom Kauf
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi, When you say, "Better separation", does this separate voices into one
speaker and th
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From: "Dane Trethowan"
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation
those
who contacted him.
Sincerely,
Anthony and Teresa Costa
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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Garry,
Have you tried
ust a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem.
My best regards.
John.
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Kevin
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
The problem I'm having is that my system
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Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rat
My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and
make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel
separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All
the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent en
As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation
that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit rates
so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to explaining
this statement .
On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, D
Hi!
aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info.
then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions.
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High George,
Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block
amplifier on each one.
Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo
amplifier.
The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular
stereo.
Hope this
Hi all!
I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3
in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I
can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo.
my question is, what's the difference bet
I have just tried ripping a cd with Nero 7 and EZCD Extractor 9. Both gave
me joint stereo. I want stereo. I had Nero set for constant bit-rate and
tried all quality settings. Any ideas?
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I'm back to believing the problem to be with Easy CD-Da Extractor, not
Winamp. I just realized taht the file I thought I had created with Gold
Wave was actually created with Easy CD-Da Extractor. So it does appear
that whenever you extract to any format with Easy CD-Da Extractor, you get
I think the joint stereo issue may in fact be a Winamp issue. Winamp is
reporting everything being joint stereo, even stuff I know for a fact I
saved as true stereo using Gold Wave. Is there any way to find out
definitively whether or not a file is in joint stereo?
Bruce
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Hi Dave.
The followign is from the CDEX manual. Basically, don't use Joint Stereo
unless you're dealing with very low bit rates like 128kbps. For these files
joint stereo will do some messing with the file to try and enhance the
stereo image of the music.
With the LAME encode
I was just playing around with AudioGrabber and saw a term that I am not
familiar with. That is joint stereo. What is the difference between joint
stereo and standard stereo? Any information would be appreciated.
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Hi,
Joint stereo is only the next best, but it saves space and there by makes the
file a bit smaller.
Here are some definitions of what it is.
. A specific coding mode in Layer II audio coding. In the joint stereo mode,
the upper frequencies of a stereo signal are joined and coded as intensity
Hi Brent! From what has been stated, Joint Stereo is a good thing when
using MP3's!
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:06 PM
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3 Jan 2006, Brent Harding wrote:
> Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels,
> or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a
> device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a
> mono feed.
>
Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels,
or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a
device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a
mono feed.
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Soundforge can do batch conversions!
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> Where can this program be downloaded and how much doe
I think you can get joint stereo as one of the choices in the CDex program.
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> Where can t
It's not a program as such, it's an encoding technique. The latest version
of Gold Wave has joint stereo options, for example.
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Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do
batch conversions?
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Hi Arthur.
Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that
have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math
involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to
enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of deta
Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality
than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality
difference present?
Thanks,
Arthur.
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Joint_Stereo is a data-saving technique which only keeps one copy of
sound data that appears on both channels, rather than two. On older,
slower machines, regular (vs. joint) stereo MP3's sometimes produced a
wavy effect when playing back because the slower processor couldn't
ke
Denny,
could you please send it to me as well.
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> Bruce,
>I have a program called Raz
Bruce,
I have a program called Razorlame that uses the lame engine. Yes you
can get regular stereo files from this as well as joint stereo. I'm not
sure what joint stereo is either. Razorlame provides a really nice
interface to the lame engine so you don't have to memorize
, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Joint Stereo
The Lame MP3 Encoder produces MP3's in joint stereo. What exactly, in
layperson's terms, is joint stereo? Is there a way I can get an encoder
that encodes in true stereo? Is there a reason I'd want to do this?
Bruce
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The Lame MP3 Encoder produces MP3's in joint stereo. What exactly, in
layperson's terms, is joint stereo? Is there a way I can get an encoder
that encodes in true stereo? Is there a reason I'd want to do this?
Bruce
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his.
The way I understand it, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, is that
a joint stereo file has one of the channels placed over top of the other
one.
In other words, they aren't two separate channels like they should be.
Someone else can probably explain it better than I can.
I've just heard two samples of joint stereo where instruments move from spot
to spot making recordings unpleasant to hear. What programs use it and how
do you make sure they're not doing it? Sounds really bad.
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Joint stereo is crap, especially if you are going to be listening to your
music through good speakers. You can always tell a joint stereo file because
the top end, especially the simples tend to oscillate between the speakers.
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Hi Larry.
Using variable bit rates and joint stereo really apply to the ripping stage
where you're taking tracks from an audio CD and converting to MP3. It
doesn't really apply to burning them to CD.
You can re-encode MP3 that's at a higher bit rate and reduce it using
variable
Hi Lary,
you could use CDEX to re-convert the tracks, but I wouldn't recommend it
because you will always lose a bit of the sound quality when you do that.
What your friend probably meant was if you encoded wav or cda-files into
mp3.
Alex
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Hi everyone. I have a data CD which consists of assorted MP3 files. My plan was to
simply copy those files, paste them into folders and burn them onto standard audio
CDs. A friend claims that for best results I should burn using a variable bit rate in
joint stereo mode. It is my understanding
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