Re: [PD] unposting text from the console.

2007-07-06 Thread Miller Puckette
I recommend in French to call it, "dP", in order to avoid confusion... cheers Miller On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:27:03PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Steffen wrote: > >On 30/06/2007, at 19.29, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > >>If DD is a size, I wonder how big the PD size is. > >

Re: [PD] pd on Vista: MIDI latency

2007-07-10 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Bjoern, I haven't got hold of a Vista machine yet, but will give Pd a thorough test on it as soon as I can. I'm sure there's going to be lots of trouble! cheers Miller On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:32:37AM -0700, Bjoern Hartmann wrote: > Does anyone have experience running pd with MIDI input on

Re: [PD] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd does a "seteuid(setuid())" to un-get root priveliges if run as setuid, after its priority gets promoted, so that it runs as the user who started it. But there are apparently loopholes, as Mathieu has found. I'm trying to repeat Frank's trick with /etc/security/limits.conf, so far without succe

Re: [PD] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-13 Thread Miller Puckette
Aha, on the next boot it worked. Thanks! Miller On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 07:43:10AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: > > > Pd does a "seteuid(setuid())" to un-get root priveliges if run as > > setuid, a

Re: [PD] setuid WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-14 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Hans, In general, I've held off fixing bugs in 0.39 for fear of introducing new problems, especially since you've been working for so long to get Pd extended out. But this one is special since it's a security leak, so I'm inclined to fix it. If past experience is any guide, I'll make a mistak

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-16 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a sketchy description in: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/icmc96.ps Some of the details didn't come out as planned there but the client/server setup at least didn't change. cheers M On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +0200, Sergi Lario wrote: > I am looking for documentation abou

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Sure enough. Pd's design is based on assumtions made in 1996 that are starting to look dated... it might be time for someone younger than me to re-think the whole edifice :) M On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:49:04PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Miller Puckette hat gesagt

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-16 Thread Miller Puckette
The wierdest member of the Max family... check out http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/cmj91-fts.ps cheers M On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 04:26:42PM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:17:29 -0400 (EDT) > Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FTS/ISPW > > What does th

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-17 Thread Miller Puckette
2007-07-16 at 13:55 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > Sure enough. Pd's design is based on assumtions made in 1996 that are > > starting to look dated... it might be time for someone younger than > > me > > to re-think the whole edifice :) > > do you want to

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-17 Thread Miller Puckette
ould be nice to have some documentation of this session, though ... > > tim > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:43 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > Hmm, maybe a good idea would be to try to grab a couple of hours during > > the Pd convention to talk about multiprocesing and real-ti

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Miller Puckette
I think it's best to put this on the wiki as a possible tweak. There are too many 'reasonable' variations. For instance, on personal machines I use my own login name instead of a group 'audio' (for simplicity); also, I don't touch the 'nice' settings. I've never had stability problems with "-rt

[PD] Pd not working on Vista?

2007-07-19 Thread Miller Puckette
HI all, I heard from two people on the list that Pd is having trouble running on Vista. I just borrowed a vista machine and ran Pd 0.40-2 (the current "stable" version) and it ran OK for me. This was on a 32-bit centrino machine. If any of you are still having trouble running the current versio

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
It's lame, but the idea behind the original design of "pack/unpack" was to have the argument lists look the same. So, to send a variety of (known-type) data down a send/receive channel or whatnot, one could use "pack tea for 2" and a corresponding "unpack tea for 2". Of course, that in the unpack

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
Sure enough... It does not work in Pd. I checked and it still worked in Max/FTS vintage 1993, so it's Pd at fault :) M On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >It's lame, but the idea behind

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
no-longer-extant pack. On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 09:21:38PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: > >On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > >>There's no way to use "tea" and "for" as being def

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a SIGGRAPH-associated art show at CALIT2 (UCSD) where I work - I'll be checking that out but probably won't make it down to siggraph proper. cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 02:11:18PM -0400, David Merrill wrote: > Hello everyone - > I'll be at Siggraph, showing a project that has "p

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
ery impressive CALIT2 tour. California residents will know > exactly where their exorbitant taxes get spent! ;) > > On 8/3/07, Miller Puckette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There's a SIGGRAPH-associated art show at CALIT2 (UCSD) where I > > work - I'll b

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, I'll be around afterward, although the shuttle busses won't be running any more... if you e-mail me early next week we can compare schedules and figure something out. cheers M On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 03:29:11PM -0400, marius schebella wrote: > Miller Puckette wr

Re: [PD] writesf~ question

2007-08-10 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi David, Once your disk is filled, a write operation wil fail and writesf~ should stop then. cheers M On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:07:10AM -0400, David F. Place wrote: > Hello: > > This seems like it must be a FAQ, but I have not been able to find > the answer searching the archives. What is

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
In vanilla at least, -stdpath and -nostdpath simpl turn on and off searching in the "extra" directory of Pd. It takes no argument. cheers Miller On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > hi > > i just figured out, that i don't know how to use [declare -stdpath]. the > he

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
, 2007 at 04:38:31PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: > >On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > >>i just figured out, that i don't know how to use [declare -stdpath]. the > >In vanilla at lea

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
pd/extra/bp2~.pd and failed > tried /home/roman/netpd/../lib/pd/extra/iemabs/bp2~.pat and failed > tried /home/roman/netpd/doc/5.reference/help-iemmatrix/bp2~.pat and > failed > tried /home/roman/netpd/abs/bp2~.pat and failed > tried /home/roman/netpd/doc/bp2~.pat and failed > trie

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
ote: > > > > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 16:18 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > > Aha.. it's buggy. You have to say "declare -stdpath ../extra/iemabs" > > > (because, by mistake, it's relative to the pd/src directory!). > > > > ah, cool. i am gl

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-15 Thread Miller Puckette
I think most of the 64-bit bugs only got cleaned up for 0.41 (and the test version in CVS is pretty stable at the moment) cheers M On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 02:37:34AM +0200, Malte Steiner wrote: > Hello, > > I tested pd 0.40-2 (its also in Debian Lenny) on 64 Studio and still got > the table wri

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-16 Thread Miller Puckette
callback scheduling too -- I'll probably upload changes to CVS after another day or so of testing. cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0200, Winfried Ritsch wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 03:59 schrieb Malte Steiner: > > Miller Puckette wrote: > > &g

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ";"

2007-08-16 Thread Miller Puckette
I've never profiled it, but I think for a single number, using a "send" object is more efficient, but for anything else (like if you have to use a message box anyway to format the message or if you're sending more than one) the message box wins. cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 12:36:33PM -0

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-17 Thread Miller Puckette
have a quick question. Is > there a profiling tool on oject or message base ? I can remember there was > one in Max/FTS, so I can find out the bad objects... ? > > > mfg winfried > > > > cheers > > Miller > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +02

Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.

2007-08-18 Thread Miller Puckette
I can't remember when I put it in, but "send" with no arguments now sprouts a second inlet to set the receiver. cheers Miller On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:37:10PM -0400, marius schebella wrote: > you are right. although I heard some talking about new features with pd > 0.40 or 0.41??? > frank bark

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Miller Puckette
Resizing large memory objects in a real-time thread can block as the OS pages other memory out to disk... so the operation is never safe unless done in a separate thread. This would be a major change, and would move in the direction of making Pd harder to maintain in the long term. Fixing the tab

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, me, I think it's better to preallocate the table objects to a size at least as large as will be needed, in advance. cheers M On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 02:34:22PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >Fixing the tabread~ obje

Re: [PD] Obscure pd externals in search path shadow .pd files in current working directory

2007-09-01 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Julius, I think that "seq" isn??t getting shadowed (the patc's directory is always searched first) but rather, that once an extern is loaded of a certain name, Pd no longer searches for abstractions of the same name. It's as if you tried to name an abstraction "float" or something -- C object

Re: [PD] looking for miller's vocoder

2007-09-05 Thread Miller Puckette
-0400, patrick wrote: > hi, > > at the surprising performance of miller puckette and friends, i was very > astonished on how good the vocoder was. is it possible to try this patch? > > thanks, > pat > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] select backward compatibility

2007-09-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Supposedly, "list" and "bang" are identical. I think the right way to print an empty list is to print "bang". But then again, if you're asked what the selector is, I suppose it could be legitimately described as either 'list' or 'bang' - each carries a risk of confusion. cheers Miller On Thu, S

Re: [PD] glitchy [tabread] or ..?

2007-09-14 Thread Miller Puckette
You need version 0.41 (only out in a test version so far, but it seems quite stable at teh moment.) cheers Miller On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:32:27PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 09:13:48AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: //

Re: [PD] GEM glsl error

2007-09-15 Thread Miller Puckette
This happened to me too. I had to track down the Gem objects using "glsl", delete them, and recompile Gem. An alternative is to use the "--with-glversion" switch; this appeared on an earlier thread, http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-04/049179.html It's odd that the Gem binaries

Re: [PD] GEM glsl error

2007-09-15 Thread Miller Puckette
drivers for fully compliant hardware > (mesa ATI) or incomplete hardware that masquerades as a full GPU (Intel). > > > On 9/15/07, Miller Puckette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This happened to me too. I had to track down the Gem objects using > > "

Re: [PD] Makefile.in needs corrections

2007-09-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Thanks... I'll do it. M On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:40:28AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello. > > a while ago i have discovered that the Makefile (from vanilla tree) is not > installing some files very right .. > it gives an executable permission to some regular files , the > help-patches

Re: [PD] [; pd init(

2007-09-18 Thread Miller Puckette
"init" is one of many messages that Pd and its gui send back and forth, which aren't intended to have any user-level functionality... of course, some of those messages like "connect" have proved useful at the user level; but none of them are guaranteed to do anything useful or even to be safe. The

Re: [PD] [; pd init(

2007-09-20 Thread Miller Puckette
but since so many users are already using the existing "features" I feel I should keep them around for backward compatibility. cheers Miller On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:58:19AM +0100, Jamie Bullock wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 10:51 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > "init

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-22 Thread Miller Puckette
I believe Pd on Mac and Linux just uses whatever TK your machine has installed. (On windows I have to include TK in the Pd release, so it's fixed at 8.4 something I believe.) cheers Miller On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:22:26AM -0400, patrick wrote: > hi, > > i just installed pd-0.40.3 from miller's

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-22 Thread Miller Puckette
This is why I'm thinking about what I call the nuclear option: separating all text into separate lines and controlling the vertical spacing from within Pd. I don't wanna do it, but it might be the only way out. cheers M On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 02:22:21PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sat,

Re: [PD] one laptop per child

2007-09-24 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, they only have 512M of 'disk' (actually flash) so they're only doing each thing one particular way... so Pd won't be part of it, since csound is the official music package. There's a whole GUI superstructure they're defining from scratch, targetted specifically for school-age children. chee

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-24 Thread Miller Puckette
The problem I'm having is that there seems to be no reliable way to get a text font of a desired size using the Tk font primitives. In practice you can get a fixed-width font with a particular pixel width, but then the heights vary widely. If I simply fixed the height myself from Pd, it would be

Re: [PD] one laptop per child

2007-09-25 Thread Miller Puckette
hat they build a children targetted GUI for Csound? I > really think Pd would be the better choice, (you also can teach 3d > drawing with GEM). > anyway, a dedicated OX Pd would be nice to have. > marius. > > Miller Puckette wrote: > > Well, they only have 512M of 'disk

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-25 Thread Miller Puckette
te > reliable in terms of pixel sizes, at least in my tests. > > .hc > > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > > The problem I'm having is that there seems to be no reliable way to > > get > > a text font of a desired size usin

Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time

2007-10-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, now has anyone noticed that Pd (first time after booting) starts up progressively more slowly over the months you own a linux machine? I'm suspicious that there's a correlation with how much software you have loaded on the machine. Maybe having lots of shared libraries and programs to use t

Re: [PD] Trying to implement switch ramp

2007-10-04 Thread Miller Puckette
This seems to be a fundamental limitation with block-based DSP panguages - you can get 1-sample DSP/control/DSP turnaround only if you're content to wait for the next block boundary -- if you want to be able to name any sample you want, then the minimum turnaround delay is one block. I waxed a bit

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] openpanel length limit on OSX and linux

2007-10-04 Thread Miller Puckette
I looked, and I think it's just the "print" object that truncates the symbol on printing. In s_print, you can change the "postatom() function to print bigger strings. I'll go on and chance my copy to use MAXPDSTRING there, just to see what that will break :) M On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:47:07PM

Re: [PD] testing 0.41-0test6 notes

2007-10-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Ilya, Thanks for reporting this... any idea whether it takes days or weeks to crash? Also, are you using ALSA and what audio hardware? (that's usually where the trouble comes in :) Miller On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 08:55:11AM +, ilya .d wrote: > i have been running the 0.41-0test6 for a fe

Re: [PD] testing 0.41-0test6 notes

2007-10-12 Thread Miller Puckette
dows"'. > > i'll get back to original pd.tk and have a look if it crashes again when > i have some time. > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:46:54PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > Hi Ilya, > > > > Thanks for reporting this... any idea whether it

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Miller Puckette
The following lines: sys_fontlist[i].fi_hostfontsize = atom_getintarg(3 * best + 2, argc, argv); sys_fontlist[i].fi_width = atom_getintarg(3 * best + 3, argc, argv); sys_fontlist[i].fi_height = atom_getintarg(3 * best + 4, argc, argv); are how Pd finds out the

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Miller Puckette
n my .pdrc > > -font-face "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono" > > Is that correct? > > > > > > Also, Pd-Extended defaults to Monaco on OS X, which is included, but I > > don't like it since it is not anti-aliased (I posted about that elsewhere

Re: [PD] font troubles WAS Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Miller Puckette
izes saved in the patch. Then each OS could draw it the same. > But then people with missing or broken fonts will still have troubles. > > .hc > > On Oct 23, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >The following lines: > > > >sys_fontlist[

[PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.41 test 07 released

2007-11-13 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 0.41 test 07 is on the usual: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm (not yet compiled for the old OSX 10.3, but OK for all other platforms.) ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce __

Re: [PD] floating point exception (core dumped)

2007-11-18 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Enrike, you might be able at least to open the patch by running Pd with the "-noloadbang" startup flag. cheers Miller On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:56:01AM +0100, altern wrote: > hi > > I just added a spectrum visualization to my patch taken from example > E01.spectrum.pd . Activating this cau

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, didn't think of checking on that... I'll give it a try. Thanks for the warning. Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:33:29AM +0100, cyrille henry wrote: > hello, > > i'm using latest pd test version on miller website. > depending on my screen(s) resolution the size of pd font change a lot. >

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Ok, try test 08 :) M On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 07:31:57AM -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: > Hmm, didn't think of checking on that... I'll give it a try. Thanks > for the warning. > > Miller > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:33:29AM +0100, cyrille henry wrote: > > h

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
n size -> ok > - the font size of text in the main pd window is still change > - the font size of the comment (canvas label) that i use in the _gemwin gop > abstraction are also changing. > > should i upload new snapshot? > > thanks, > Cyrille > > > Miller P

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-24 Thread Miller Puckette
I favor the negative-font-size approach since it makes it possible for future extesions to control their own behavior. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:35:12PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Nov 23, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > >On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Hans-Ch

Re: [PD] control-click in edit mode is gone

2007-12-04 Thread Miller Puckette
I think it's a real question whether it's better to have Pd act similarly across all platforms or whether it's best to adapt key bindings, etc., to specific ones. Certainly the first solution makes long-term maintainabilty (a high priority for me) easier. cheers Miller On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 11

Re: [PD] 0.41.08 - font size

2007-12-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Yep, this is fixed in my version (I think) but Ihaven't yet been able to test it on all platforms (which I prefer to do before releasing new 'tests'... cheers Miller On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:17:33PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig

Re: [PD] Meaning of -noprefs

2007-12-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, I think "-noprefs" should stop .pdrc as well, since it's in the spirit of being able to find out whether a problem is coming from the configuration or from Pd itself. If it's reasonably easy to do I'll change that. That said, I think ".pdrc" should be regarded as deprecated, unless there

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-12-06 Thread Miller Puckette
OK test09, hopefully, fixes it :) I've got a long list of bugs to try to fix... otherwise I'm probably not going to try to add any more "features" to this release before canning it. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 07:04:25PM +0100, cyrille henry wrote: > hello, > > test 08 is better,

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-12-06 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, not much has happened, but the test version is stable enough it seems better to work toward a "stable" version of teh present state than to try to add all the features I want to put in next :) M On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:17:19AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > Miller P

Re: [PD] array indirection

2007-12-08 Thread Miller Puckette
I've wanted to do this too -- for instance, to have a large collection of arrays and a window that could "see" one of them at a time to edit them. It's a bit complicated to do it because every array would have to maintain a dynamic collection of pointers to every window (there could be meny) in wh

Re: [PD] Pd -extended 0.41 on debian : missing lib

2007-12-09 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 'vanilla' requires 8.3 or up. cheers M On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > >Currently, the dependencies for the nightly builds are hard coded, and > >are set to support Debian/stable. I set the Debian/test

Re: [PD] kml files

2007-12-13 Thread Miller Puckette
If I'm doing it right, single precision float should be able to represent latitude and longitude to within about two meters. If more precision than that is needed, you'll want to use "tr" to change periods (as well as commas) into spaces so that you get lines like: -112 3348783983763 36 1514008468

Re: [PD] What exactly is a "stack overflow" ?

2007-12-20 Thread Miller Puckette
... and to wade in, here's an idea I'm toying with: every 1000 or so bangs that until sends out, check the CPU clock. Each time more than a second elapses, go check the input buffer from the GUI, and execute it (so that mouse clicks would appear within the context of the until loop!) This would

Re: [PD] Pd sets dirty flag on all parent patches when a child abstraction is modified

2007-12-24 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a longstanding bug: when you edit an abstraction, Pd then "recreates" all copies of that abstraction, which has the side effect of dirtying all parent patches. I think it's on my very long list of bugs to deal with... :) cheers Miller On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 07:51:32PM -0800, Luke Iann

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 0.41-0 test 10 is ready: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html The only major new "feature" in 0.41 is callback scheduling; this got a few new rounds of debugging since test 09. cheers Miller ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://l

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-28 Thread Miller Puckette
I should have put the lock in and forgot... thanks for the reminder. I'm not at all sure how to handle "idle" in the callback case. One could just call the function forever, but that seems like burning the CPU for nothing. Alternatively, "idle" processing might want to take place in a different

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-30 Thread Miller Puckette
oo, no? cheers Miller On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Thomas Grill wrote: > > Am 28.12.2007 um 20:25 schrieb Miller Puckette: > > >I should have put the lock in and forgot... thanks for the reminder. > > > >I'm not at all sure how to handle "idle&

Re: [PD] SSSAD vs MEMENTO

2008-01-05 Thread Miller Puckette
I'm still thinking about it. On the plus side, it would make Pd users' lives easier; on the minus, it would introduce a new library dependence and thus reduce Pd's portability. The OSC design is not much better than that of MIDI, in my opinion... it's a pity it's so widely adopted. cheers Miller

Re: [PD] SSSAD vs MEMENTO

2008-01-05 Thread Miller Puckette
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >I'm still thinking about it. On the plus side, it would make Pd users' > >lives easier; on the minus, it would introduce a new library dependence > >and thus reduce Pd's portability. > > Oh yeah. And what d

Re: [PD] SSSAD vs MEMENTO

2008-01-05 Thread Miller Puckette
I'd still have to track changes in the OSC code and periodically "import" them to the Pd sources, which is very error-prone. ... and to answer Mathieu's question as to why I prefer FUDI, it's just simpler. cheers Miller On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:17:55PM -0500, Mar

Re: [PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-11 Thread Miller Puckette
HI all, I don't know any canonical way to decide when a note is finished, except to notice that a new note has started. But it's probably possible to use the "discrete" output of fiddle~ to catch note-on events and then make up criteria that define endings of notes based on either pitch deviation

Re: [PD] Pd version 0.41-0 test 10 - path crashing

2008-01-13 Thread Miller Puckette
OK, this should be fixed the next test version - thanks for warning me. Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:29:44AM -0500, patrick wrote: > hi miller, > > thanks for the effort on 0.41 test 10, i can edit more externals from > Startup screen (38 on in 1280x1024) but pd-extended + xsample, py etc.

Re: [PD] A limited in range numeric box and [ctlin]

2008-01-14 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a larger issue too. In Max, sliders, toggles, etc. pass integers through even if they're out of the nominal range of the object; I just recently noticed that in Pd the IEM GUIs clip pass-through values to the range of the object. I'd love to change this but it would probably break 100s of

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-0 test 11 released

2008-01-16 Thread Miller Puckette
on http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html . Will update documentation, and failing new bug reports, finalize it soon. cheers Miller ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___

Re: [PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-17 Thread Miller Puckette
everybody for the clarifications and > suggestions I received. > > > 2008/1/11, Miller Puckette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I don't know any canonical way to decide when a note is finished, except > > to notice that a new note has started. > > That's

Re: [PD] Problem in os x 10.5.1?

2008-01-18 Thread Miller Puckette
ouch. The offending code is probably between the fork and exec in t_tkcmd.c (circa line 423). The only function call between them is a sprintf, wouldn't you know. Perhaps it will fix the problem if I do the sprintf before forking? I don't have 10.5.1 to test this on, so if it's easy for you to

Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm. It never occured to me that people would want to put declare objects inside abstractions (I think it's unwise to do so because there's no way to contain the declare object's effects to within the abstraction.) That it's adding stuff to the parent patch is a serious bug; there's no reason to

Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in "prefernces" on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it "belongs" under "media", or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 2

Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
y to figure out what it does and make sre it keeps doing that. cheers Miller On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:48:50PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 08:25 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: > > Hmm. It never occured to me that people would want to put declare objects > >

Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
all the time... > > .hc > > On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings > >hidden away > >in "prefernces" on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it > >&quo

Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
> > good news! > > if i can help you in anyway (e.g. documenting as accurately as possible > how [declare] behaves), i'd be glad to do so. i am very much convinced, > that [declare] is a useful class and worth a lot of effort to make it > work. > > roman > Yeah, I find it very useful too. (e

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-0 released

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 0.41-0 is available on CVS and on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers M ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-26 Thread Miller Puckette
I thought about it again today and I agree, there's no fundamental need to have it. On the other hand, if you happen to be using lots of vline~s for scheduling breakpoint envelopes, there might be a big efficiency gain having the vline~ object manage the timeouts itself. (The vline~ object would

Re: [PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Just a guess... maybe allocating all that memory is forcing the OS to page other apps out. (I'm not sure how much memory is getting used but if it's more than 1/4 of the system total it's possible that is slowing stuff down.) cheers Miller On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 04:52:56PM +0100, matteo sisti s

Re: [PD] [OT] New machine - sound hardware?

2008-02-04 Thread Miller Puckette
My trick for getting updatedb turned off is to remove the 'slocate' package that it's a part of. Took me some time to figure that out. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:34:32AM +0100, altern wrote: > hi patrick > > I have a terratec phase X24 and the only problem I have is because of >

Re: [PD] good ol' font size test for 0.41

2008-02-08 Thread Miller Puckette
Sorry for the slow followup. I'm of the belief that the font sizes for object, message, and comment boxes are the same in 0.41 as 0.40, would like to know if that's not true. I adopted all of HC's patches for the IEM GUIs, since fint size changes in those seem less of a problem. cheers Miller O

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] how to authenticate commits in SVN?

2008-02-12 Thread Miller Puckette
(or just svn help for an overview). > Cheers > Luke > > On Feb 12, 2008 4:41 PM, Miller Puckette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm trying to commit 0.41-1 to the svn repository, but can't figure out > > how to get authenticated. I

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-1 (bug fix for Mac OSX 10.5.1)

2008-02-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, Pd 0.41-1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html It's the same as 0.41-0 except for a bug fix for newer versions of Mac OSX (10.5 and newer) thanks to David Plans Casal. Miller ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] h

Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game

2008-02-12 Thread Miller Puckette
n overall introductory explanation of > how the various source codes components work together besides the source > code and in code documentation itself? > marius. > > > Miller Puckette wrote: > > Pdvst, by Joe Sarlo, does something related (embeds Pd as a VST plug-in; &

Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game

2008-02-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Pdvst, by Joe Sarlo, does something related (embeds Pd as a VST plug-in; windows only). It uses the Pd executable, plugging in a user-supplied scheduler that manages audio and control I/O to the calling program. Since there might be several Pdvst plug-ins active at a time, each gets its own addres

Re: [PD] fixes in 0.41?

2008-02-12 Thread Miller Puckette
That's largely true... but other times, bugs get introduced and/or fixed without my knowing they were even there. I find and fix memory management mistakes frequently (certainly at least a few times every major release cycle), often without knowing if they ever surface as crashes. So the answer

Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game

2008-02-13 Thread Miller Puckette
ybe some design decision? > > I know we can hack something though (like the vst guy), but still... > > Cheers! > > Pablo > > > Miller Puckette escribi?: > > No -- there ought to be, but it never makes it to the top of the > > priority heap. > > > >

Re: [PD] writesf produces incorrect header (pd-0.41.0)

2008-02-15 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Ilya, As far as I can tell, Pd write little-endian .snd files OK but nobody else but Pd seems to support them any more. ".wav" files are little-endian and widely supported; perhaps that's a better option. cheers Miller On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 04:05:26AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-2 released

2008-02-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, three more bug fixes, including one I forgot to throw in the release notes: I figured out why cutting/pasting text into boxes didn't work on MACOS or Windows. The others: a crash bug on windows when restarting DSP repeatedly, and netsend/netreceive sometimes dropping data. cheers Miller

Re: [PD] the behaviour of [list length] has changed!!

2008-02-20 Thread Miller Puckette
Even smarter might be to skip Pd-extended 0.40 and go straight from 0.39 to 0.41. cheers Miller On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 05:44:54PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > > obviously it is incompatible. the reason to nevertheless do change it > > was, that [list lengt

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