Re: OT: Holiday Cartoons

2003-12-12 Thread Boris Liberman
I choose the last one... SB> There are one or two that may be considered "adult" but for the most SB> part they're wholesome and family oriented. Fell free to pass 'em along SB> ... SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/xmas/1.html Though the '...g chimney' was not bad either... Peace! B

Re: Enlightenment and some questions on lenses

2003-12-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! AC> Boris, AC> You guys certainly did tell me. Now I'm hooked and can't help myself. AC> Thanks for the little tip on the soft lens. No wonder when I was trying AC> it out, I can't get a nice clear focus on the split screen AC> Cheers AC> Andy Glad you did not look at the distance scale o

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
Data that is collected over a span of ten years is meaningless in global terms. Any real scientist will verify that. On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: You apparently didn't pick up on what I was saying. Ignore everything else for a moment. The weather bureau(s) have b

RE: Neat Image

2003-12-12 Thread tom
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Miers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I dunno about the rest of you, but I note a considerable > loss of detail in > the altered image. Well, that's sort of what it does. Noise obscures what's there, NI sort of smooth things out. I tested it for a littl

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread John Francis
> > the Pentax blurb on a medium format digital camera said that most of their > sales were to amateurs. The blurb also said that the typical customer in Japan was very different from the typical customer in the USA. One amateur, the other professional. > - Original Message - > From:

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread John Francis
> > Eh? Do you not realise that a 35mm format Pentax DSLR WOULD work with > his existing lenses? With the added flexibility of also working with > 35mm lenses? You appear to have a different definition of 'work' than mine. If I put an autofocus lens on an autofocus body I expect to get autofoc

Re: Keppler on Pentax from Japan

2003-12-12 Thread Jim Apilado
How many *ist D owners would pledge to buy a brand new DA lens every year so Pentax can stay in business? That way Pentax would know they made the right decision. I don't own a *ist D so count me out. Jim A. > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri,

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
May I suggest a wonderful book, "Learned Pigs and Fireproof Women" by Ricky Jay. Them pigs can do a lot of amazing things! "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > Yeah if Pentax could do full frame 645 at same price > as C & N do full frame 35mm , pentax would make some > money? Well that is brilliant, If p

Re: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, then, color me crazy ... One continually reads how the LCD and histogram of the digital camera allows the photographer to immediately see the results of the exposure, and, if need be, make another, and that's a valid point ... as far as it goes. But subjects move, light changes, and a good

RE: Question on Spotmatics

2003-12-12 Thread Andy Chang
This is the one I saw http://ecoli.idv.tw/photo/es2.jpg Andy -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Question on Spotmatics No, the first camera WAS an "electro-spotmatic". That was t

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
we already know about you. Herb - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: RE: New Pentax DSLR next year > Not me, if I had to go with a 24x36 sensor, I would > much rather have a 35mm DS

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Not me, if I had to go with a 24x36 sensor, I would much rather have a 35mm DSLR system as the lenses would be smaller, lighter, cheaper, wider, blah, blah, blah 645 DSLR would only make sense to me if the sensor was much bigger than 24x36, preferably 6x4.5 JCO

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
because he wants a digital 645 to go with the 645 he already has. that is all that is necessary. Herb... - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: RE: New Pentax DSLR next year > why would h

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
the Pentax blurb on a medium format digital camera said that most of their sales were to amateurs. Herb - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: New Pentax DSLR next year > How about be

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
why would he if it only had a 24x36 sensor? J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- Fro

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
a person willing to buy a digital 645 body is willing to spend a lot more than on a digital 35mm body. Herb... - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: RE: New Pentax DSLR next year > No you

Re: Sensor size and convertor idea

2003-12-12 Thread Ryan Lee
Kudos Scott, for a very logical and well thought out think-out (even if the middle bit was in a foreign language :)) I didn't think it would be that complicated, but coming from a very non-scientific background, you're much more likely to be on the right track. What I pictured in my mind was basica

Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
i have the sound track from the movie on LP. i know nothing about the movie. i just know that the sound track has some nice music on it. Herb... - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re:

Re: The Pentax 135/1.8

2003-12-12 Thread cyberstudio
I think I sold mine for $955. Do I miss it ? Definitely. It is the sharpest Pentax lens I have ever owned. I figured at the time that with the proceeds I could get a new Canon EF 135 f/2L lens which was slightly sharper and still have some money left for a used EOS body. I was also hoping that som

FS on eBay: F*300/4.5

2003-12-12 Thread cyberstudio
Hi ! I put some lenses on eBay and they are ending in a couple of days. Happy bidding ! http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=cyber_studio -- Bo-Ming Tong

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As an amateur/ connoisseur, you only have to please yourself, as a working > pro, you have to please your client. Pleasing a client happens on many > different levels, and surprisingly enough, ultimate picture quality as we > see it here is quite often not

Re: Sensor size and convertor idea

2003-12-12 Thread Scott Nelson
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 17:10, Ryan Lee wrote: > Just an idea since there's at least one thread discussing lenses and > multiplication factor. How feasible would it be theoretically for > manufacturers to come up with a teleconverter like accessory to fit normal > lens projections to APS size sensors

Re: Neat Image

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
I don't know whether it's loss of detail or the fact that the noise hints at detail that really isn't there. Also that's a VERY small crop of a large jpg from the istD. Bill - Original Message - From: "Dave Miers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 20

Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread graywolf
Oh? You don't ride a bicycle? Sorry. -- frank theriault wrote: Hey, Tom, Don't drag me into this. I may have started it, but since that first post, I've stayed out of it, like the good boy that I am! By the way, just because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, that doesn't make me a fan

Re: Neat Image

2003-12-12 Thread Dave Miers
> IMO, the home edition is easily worth $30.00. I've only been using it a > couple of days, so I'm still learning. Doing one image at a time, it's no > speed demon, but I'm not terribly interested in speed any way and the > results look fine to me. I've uploaded a 100% istD crop of one of the ph

Re: Neat Image

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Doug, Version 3.0 runs faster. Only a minute or two on my istD images. My machine though is a P4 2.6Ghz Bill - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Neat Image > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Butch Black wrote: > Gentlemen, (and I use the term loosely) > A 645 based camera with a 24x36mm sensor would have approximately > a 1.5 magnification factor over a 645 negative, not a 35mm negative. > So the 400mm 645 lens would look like a 600mm lens on a 645 negative. ... my poin

Re: Sensor size and convertor idea

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Like looking through the "wrong" end of a telescope? Bill - Original Message - From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Sensor size and convertor idea > Just an idea since there's at least one thread discussing

Re: Neat Image

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
IMO, the home edition is easily worth $30.00. I've only been using it a couple of days, so I'm still learning. Doing one image at a time, it's no speed demon, but I'm not terribly interested in speed any way and the results look fine to me. I've uploaded a 100% istD crop of one of the photos from

RE: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread Malcolm Smith
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > And what's to prevent the photographer using film to make > several exposures of the same subject, bracketing the > exposure, shooting from different points of view, even using > different cameras with different films. Whoo! Another advantage to the digital user, he won

Re: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And what's to prevent the photographer using film to make several exposures of the same subject, bracketing the exposure, shooting from different points of view, even using different cameras with different films. Malcolm Smith wrote: > Hmm! I think I do; with digital you can review immediately wh

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Paul Stenquist wrote: > Bill D. Casselberry wrote: > > > > 1) The sensor *crops* the image circle > > 2) It writes the image data to the card > > 3) The result appears to have been taken w/ a longer lens > > > > ... what's so hard about that > Nothing, but JCO is ri

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Interesting, it doesn't say anywhere what the size of the sensor is for this 645 back. On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 00:38, Cotty wrote: > On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >Why would anybody buy a medium format DSLR and put > >up with the extra weight and cost of the lenses and > >body if it

RE: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread Malcolm Smith
frank theriault wrote: > As to whether digital and film should be judged separately, I > really don't care. Hmm! I think I do; with digital you can review immediately what you have taken - if you don't like it on some occasions the moment may not have passed and you can take the shot again. With

Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Hey, Tom, Don't drag me into this. I may have started it, but since that first post, I've stayed out of it, like the good boy that I am! By the way, just because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, that doesn't make me a fanatic. I just makes me right. And, I'm right, because I have the

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Bingo! J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re[2]: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Perhaps what is not being thought about is that MF guys are already taking a hit on the long end. The 645/67 400mm is really much closer to a 200mm in 35mm format. So they could do the mental jump and say that now their lenses match the 35mm because of the same sensor size. JCO is correct that t

Re: *ist D review in Popular Photography

2003-12-12 Thread Joseph Tainter
It was very positive. The reviewer did, however, identify the 50 f1.4 as an FAJ lens. Joe

RE: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread alex wetmore
The only photo club that I've belonged to (http://www.groupf56.com) didn't allow conversations about gear or equipment at the official meetings (people did talk about it afterwords). Photographs were evaluated on the final results, not what means were used to take them. It is an interesting club.

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread alex wetmore
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Bill Owens wrote: > Bill, I think what J.C. is saying is that a 400mm lens designed for a 645 > and a 400mm lens designed for a 35mm would both perform exactly the same on > a 24x36 sensor. If that's what he's saying, he's correct. The FOV is identical. Nothing else is neces

RE: This just in to PDML-- a cry for help with research project

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
A Pulitzer Prize photo from the mid 1960's was taken with a Spotmatic. Can't remember what year, or by whom. I'm sure a quick Google would answer that one. "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Doug Br

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Why would anybody buy a medium format DSLR and put >up with the extra weight and cost of the lenses and >body if it didnt offer MORE resolution than the >best 35mm full frame DSLRs? In order to acheive that >they are going to need a sensor substantially

Re: Monterey CA Pentax dealers?

2003-12-12 Thread Paul Sorenson
Then that person is obliged to pay the sales tax. - Original Message - From: "Anders Hultman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:59 AM Subject: Re: Monterey CA Pentax dealers? > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, graywolf wrote: > > > > But how do you know

RE: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
That's okay, Bob, They have drugs for that now. It's nothing to be ashamed of, btw, it's not an unusual occurance as we men grow older, so I've heard. "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Bob Blakel

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Dec 2003 at 22:19, Cotty wrote: > Because the system around the 645 already exists, is known and used by > professionals already. real professionals don't read geeky mags full of > tests and shit like that - they use what they know and feel comfortable > with. If their reps tell them that a

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread alex wetmore
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > dumb idea. You have to crawl before you can run. > No point in 645 DSLR unless it were full frame and it > would be much more likely that they would develop and > sell full frame 35mm DSLR, before tackling FF 645DSLR. A 645-chassis D-SLR with a 35mm se

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Dec 2003 at 14:43, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > Possibly with built-in Image Stabilization technology similar to Minolta's > AS. Goodbye heavy, large and expensive IS lenses :-) > There is a lot more to come in digital next year too: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121201minoltadslr.asp

Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Yowza! Enough to make a peacenik like me join the Air Force! (If only it were 35 years ago, that is). My first year at university, 1976, beer at the university pub was 75 cents each. I could get drunk on $10 (including tips) - but that was before I developed my current alcohol threshold...

Re: Question on Spotmatics

2003-12-12 Thread Rfsindg
To be technically correct, nobody has a Pentax Electro Spotmatic II, they have Asahi Pentax ESII's or Honeywell ESII's. The Electro Spotmatic was a trial version of the Pentax ES sold for the first year in Japan. It is wired instead of using circuit boards (but I wouldn't take mine apart to ch

Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Dear me, Wendy, Now you've gone and done it, haven't you? You've already pissed off your fellow Brits by abandoning them and heading off to the New World in search of fame and fortune. Now you've pissed off those of us in the Colonies by refusing to be identified as one of us. Whatever will y

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Keith Whaley
You apparently didn't pick up on what I was saying. Ignore everything else for a moment. The weather bureau(s) have been tracking incoming along the southeastern coast of the U.S. and they have DOCUMENTED increasingly larger and more powerful storms in the past decade or less. Annually! Yes, it's s

Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Not as hazy as my 90 day TDY with the USAF in England in 1967. Drinks at the NCO club were $0.10 during happy hour(s) and $0.20 during other times. Bill - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:04 PM Subje

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Bill Owens wrote: > What it all comes down to is that a 400mm lens is a 400mm lens, > whether on a 16mm Minox or an 8x10 field camera. The only > difference is the amount of the image circle visible to the > light sensitive media. This is apparently a difficult concept for some to a

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
not true is the problem, whether you crop a big image circle of a 645 400mm lens or use the whole image circle of a 35mm 400mm lens, the recorded result is the same, no difference, not longer appearance , same appearance because the focal length is the SAME and the sensor size is the SAME. -

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Bill, I think what J.C. is saying is that a 400mm lens designed for a 645 and a 400mm lens designed for a 35mm would both perform exactly the same on a 24x36 sensor. If that's what he's saying, he's correct. Bill - Original Message - From: "Bill D. Casselberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <

Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Only in Cairo (pronounced Kay-roh), Illinois... -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Chris Stoddart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, I've just had a sick thought - you North Americans don't pronounce it

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 06:05 PM, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: 1) The sensor *crops* the image circle 2) It writes the image data to the card 3) The result appears to have been taken w/ a longer lens ... what's so hard about that Nothing, but JCO is right in that t

Re: istD Concert photos

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Oh, there's noise there, and a fair amount of it. You just can't see it in these small images. Still, it's less objectionable, IMHO, than film grain at the same ISO. Also, Neat Image allows batch processing to reduce the effect of noise/film grain. Bill - Original Message - From: "fra

Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
If I had a digital camera, I could take pictures this morning, and post them this afternoon. But, I don't, and I can't. Interesting pics, btw, Anders. Thanks. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheime

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > WRONG > Im tired of explaining it to you. You sure are pig-headed! 1) The sensor *crops* the image circle 2) It writes the image data to the card 3) The result appears to have been taken w/ a longer lens ... what's so hard a

RE: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: interesting camera club debate Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:52:34 -0500 As to whether digital and film should be judged separately, I really don't care. It's up to the club or those holding the

Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Mike, Could be UHF. I can't remember; I was a university student in the '70's, so much of that time period is a bit, er, hazy... I'm not sufficiently curious that I even care to google it. UHF, FM, whatever... BTW, watch what you say about Steely Dan. One of my all time favourite gr

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
What it all comes down to is that a 400mm lens is a 400mm lens, whether on a 16mm Minox or an 8x10 field camera. The only difference is the amount of the image circle visible to the light sensitive media. Bill - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL

RE: istD Concert photos

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
Beautiful shots, Bill. And ISO 3200? Amazing; no grain! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Su

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Dag T
På 12. des. 2003 kl. 23.22 skrev Bill D. Casselberry: Dag T wrote: skrev Bill D. Casselberry: Could Man actually produce enough "nasty" greenhouse gases to stem the impending freeze? If such were the dilemma, we might soon realize how puny our efforts really are in the gr

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > The FOV would be the same for both 400mm lenses > when used on the same 24x36 sensor. You seem to > think that a 645 400mm lens is a different magnification > from a 35mm 400mm lens when both are used on the > same small 24x36 sensor. The magnification and FOV from > BO

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I dont get it, are you still saying there would be some visible perceived or actual difference? There wouldnt be either. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com ---

RE: interesting camera club debate

2003-12-12 Thread frank theriault
As to whether digital and film should be judged separately, I really don't care. It's up to the club or those holding the competition to make the rules, and those who wish to enter either abide by those rules, or not. Personally, I've never been a big fan of art competitions anyway, whether th

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
WRONG Im tired of explaining it to you. When using a small sensor, 24x36mm or less, there will be ZERO difference in field of view, depth of field, apparent magnification etc. etc. between a 645 400mm lens and a 35mm 400mm lens. PERIOD. This isnt theory, this is real. jco --

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
It makes less sense than an APS sensor in a 35mm body because at least the 35mm body is the smallest slr system available. Putting a smaller than 35mm sensor in a 645/67 system body is definately absurd J.C. O'Con

Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 04:52 PM, William Robb wrote: What I am not in favour of is the theory that is prevelant in your country that what is needed is more fossil fuel, rather than attempts at conservation. We are in favor of both. We're in favor of finding more fossil fuels on our ow

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > Your talking something different here. > The inital suggestion was that a 400mm 645 > lens would be much different than a 400mm 35mm format > lens ON THE SAME 24x36 DSLR CAMERA! Not true. ah - here's the crux of misunderstanding :^) The assumption wa

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
That's what I've been saying!!! Bill - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: RE: New Pentax DSLR next year > The FOV would be the same for both 400mm lenses > when used on the same 24x36 s

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
In Michigan our weather has been quite mild in recent years. But all this is irrelevant. The kind of changes we're talking about , whether their due to man's interaction with the environment or the evolving planet, happen over thousands of years, not from one year to the next. On Friday, Decemb

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > If we (in some future day) realize that a cooling trend > *is* in the cards for our little island in space and the > cold of an Ice Age was looming in, say, the next century ... > > Could Man actually produce enough "nasty" greenh

RE: Question on Spotmatics

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
No, the first camera WAS an "electro-spotmatic". That was the model name and was ingraved in the body. The later cameras were ES and ESII they are different cameras from the original and are not "electro-spotmatics". They are what they are: the ES and ESII. JCO

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
The FOV would be the same for both 400mm lenses when used on the same 24x36 sensor. You seem to think that a 645 400mm lens is a different magnification from a 35mm 400mm lens when both are used on the same small 24x36 sensor. The magnification and FOV from BOTH 400mm lenses would be the same when

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > No you dont get it. It is absolutely pointless and stupid > to put a smallish sensor (24x36) in a 645 camera that could fit > in a 35mm format body. That would be the dumbest creation of all time. !8^D HAR! We *do* agree on that! Bill

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > There IS NOT an "apparent" optical difference if both > lenses are the same 400mm FL! Consumers don't care about physics! The in-camera crop of the smaller than nominal fullframe sensor yields on the memory card the same effect as cranking up t

RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Bob Blakely
If your government does let you have your personal reactor, can I buy your spent fuel rods? Y'see I have this little plutonium collection here... Regards, Bob... "History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishe

RE: Question on Spotmatics

2003-12-12 Thread Lewis Matthew
No such Camera? Well, maybe. The first one marketed in the USA was body-badged ES and the second model was badged ESII. In both cases the ES stood for Electro-Spotmatic. Lewis From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Question

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Please explain how a new DSLR using the same 24X36 sensor used in the full frame DSLR that used 645 lenses could be "smaller"?? The lenses and the lens mounts for 645 are LARGER. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Dag T wrote: > skrev Bill D. Casselberry: > > Could Man actually produce enough "nasty" greenhouse gases > > to stem the impending freeze? If such were the dilemma, we > > might soon realize how puny our efforts really are in the > > grand scheme of things. > Maybe, bu

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Perhaps cotty was saying that it will be a 24x36 sensor on a 645-style >chassis? Because the system around the 645 already exists, is known and used by professionals already. real professionals don't read geeky mags full of tests and shit like that - the

RE: Way OT:Global warming

2003-12-12 Thread Bob Blakely
omnipotent Regards, Bob... "History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons." -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian > -Original Message- > From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Perhaps cotty was saying that it will be a 24x36 sensor on a 645-style >chassis? I don't think it matters a jot what the size of the sensor is, as long as it comes in a MF body, takes MF lenses (new wides if necessary) and gives at least 15 Megapixels. t

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Rob Brigham
Eh? Do you not realise that a 35mm format Pentax DSLR WOULD work with his existing lenses? With the added flexibility of also working with 35mm lenses? IF the sensor is 35mm full frame or less then you may as well put it in a 35mm body an d mount your 645/67 lenses on that. A digital back would

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
35mm film adapter for medium format bodies only makes sense if it is a panarama format like 24mmm x60mm where you use more than the normal 24mmX36mm of film. Otherwise you are much better off just using a 35mm camera, lighter, smaller, better in nearly every respect ---

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >dumb idea. You have to crawl before you can run. >No point in 645 DSLR unless it were full frame and it >would be much more likely that they would develop and >sell full frame 35mm DSLR, before tackling FF 645DSLR. Really? I would have thought it would b

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
The FOV would be the equivalent of a 600mm on a 24x36 sensor. Bill - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: RE: New Pentax DSLR next year > Your talking something different here. > The init

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Christian wrote: > But again you lose out on the wide end. By optics/physics this is just the way it is when using a smaller sensor than a lens is designed for - it's just a boon for telephoto and hoovers for wide angle, can't be helped other than special design

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > huh? a 400mm lens designed for 645 isnt going > to give any bigger image magnification than a > 400mm designed for 24x36 but it would be larger > and heavier and costlier. No way Jose! yeah, sure - by straight optical physics but the actual effect is a

RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Bob Blakely
I vigorously endorse all efforts to reduce pollution, However, CO2 is not a pollutant. Without it, every green thing on the planet will whither and die. Yup, it's possible to have too much. Hell, even too much vitamin A will kill ya! :-} Regards, Bob...

FYI: MF Retail Bargains

2003-12-12 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
http://mpex.com/Dec03MedSpecials.htm CRB

RE: Question on Spotmatics

2003-12-12 Thread Lewis Matthew
The ES II uses 76 series silver oxide batteries (Everready EPX76, Duracell MS76, Maxell SR44, Panasonic G13, Rayovac RS76, Varta V76PX, and others designated as S76 or just 76). 76 series batteries remain available. The ES uses a 544 silver oxide battery (and equivalent under other designations

RE: Price Relief

2003-12-12 Thread Nick

Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)

2003-12-12 Thread Dag T
På 11. des. 2003 kl. 20.50 skrev Bob Blakely: Water vapor is a much more efficient "greenhouse gas" and is two orders of magnitude more plentiful than CO2 in our atmosphere. (Perhaps we should rethink those fuel cell cars!) I´m aware of this. If we are in a global warming crisis today, even the

Re: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread John Francis
Unfortunately the unnamed Pentax source quoted in the referenced article strongly suggested that Pentax would be releasing smaller, lighter DSLRs. If they do release a body with in-camera image stabilisation, though, that would presumably need a rigid frame. > Have you played with the istD? It'

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
>for most professional use (as opposed to pure specsmanship) >a smaller sensor delivers sufficient resolution. and so would a 24x36 DSLR, which would be lighter cheaper, smaller, more lens selection etc etc etc JCO

RE: New Pentax DSLR next year

2003-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
all they would need to do is redesign new 24x36 format lenses that covered the digital sensor better. No need to carry around huge and heavy 645 lenses for the 24x36 DSLR. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

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