PESO: Others 2005 - 25p - GDG

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I bought one of the Zenitar-K 16mm f/2.8 fish eye lenses, based on the wonderful work that I've seen John Bean and others produce with it. It's truly a delightful toy ... It *doesn't* replace the Pentax DA14 lens at all, but it is simply FUN to shoot pictures with it ... http://homepage.m

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, > > People who have seen his contacts say that one of the most > remarkable > > things about them is that every frame is a good photo. > > They much be wearing HCB coloured glasses then, I have a > photo book byHCB full of very ordinary images. > which book is it? Bob

MZ-S

2005-07-26 Thread Gautam Sarup
Hi, This is my first post to PDML. I'm thinking of getting an MZ-S and wondered how solidly it's built. Would it be likely to last a few decades of weekend use? Also, how good is it at keeping dust out? I travel a fair bit to dusty places so both things are important. Regards, Gautam

Re: FA 28mm 2.8

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 26, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On digital FOV(28,35) would be 28 * 1.53 = 42.84 ~= 43... Looks kinda "limited" to me ;-)... A 28mm lens on 16x24 format is a nice 'wide-normal' .. one of my favorite field of view choices. Kinda like the 40mm lens on my old favorite Rol

Re: OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Expect a fair to goodly amount of fog, low contrast as well. Since there's really no way of knowing how fogged the film is, or how poorly it's fared, perhaps the best bet is to develop it normally for an EI of1600 and add +10% or so. Bottom line, it's a crapshoot. Shel > [Original Message] >

Re: K15mm for House Interiors

2005-07-26 Thread Vid Strpic
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 09:56:33AM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Vid Strpic wrote: > >I have one, not yet tried it on digital, but plain photos on 35mm film > >look nice. Have you also considered MIR-47 2.5/20? I just ordered one, > >it seems to be rectilinear lens...

RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Anthony Farr
> -Original Message- > From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:49 PM > > I believe that his binary grain clump theory is somewhat flawed rendering the > remainder of the argument moot. > I think the same, and wonder what Reichmann has been smoking or

RE: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Tim as others have told you too: You have to backup on different non rewritable mediums to be "quite" safe. Whenever you connect and use your external hard disk, your data is at risk and a (yet unknown) virus could do it's damage. You see Tim, **valid** and useful backup strategies have been in

RE: PAW PESO - Urban Picnic

2005-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm far from an expert in English, but I'll try to enlighten you on the phrase "nice catch". I believe it comes from the simple but noble arts of fishing or hunting. A big fish is a nice catch. Simple as that. I tend to use it when talking about capturing a moment, when timing of the shot is impor

RE: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
I have trouble realising that I myself do age. My mirror tells me that I do, and I don't have a backup ;-) All you and others do tell me does sound logic. But is this real threats in let us say a 3-5 year perspective? Within this time I will probably need more disk space, so I'll change the drive a

Re: OT: programming question

2005-07-26 Thread Powell Hargrave
You could put it into a zip file with a password. May even compress it a bit. Powell > > >I've been assigned a project to distribute a video in a windows media file >format. >Security is essential with this data, so we don't want it to get outside >the company. >What steps are necessary to set t

Re: PESO - Blissful ignorance

2005-07-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I told this girl she wasn't supposed to fly away. At least she stayed long enough for a pose. :-) http://www.oksne.net/paw/humle.html Take it or leave, but for some reason I was expecting to see Ellen ;-)... It is just a bit too tight on the bottom... Is Bill Robb's most recent enablem

Re: PESO - The Grandeur

2005-07-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! As we were looking around for places to shoot the sunset, we came upon this scene. It was late in the day, but the sun wasn't far enough down to really kick up the color. To give you an idea of just how big Monument Valley is, this first pic is a 100% crop from the lower-middle frame of th

Re: PESO: Simplicity

2005-07-26 Thread Boris Liberman
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/paw/simplicity *istDS, Tamron 28-200 f3.8-4.5, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1/400s Taken next to Putney Bridge, in London. All comments and criticisms encouraged. :-) Julia disagrees, but I think mine http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=199955 is simpler ;-)...

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread K.Takeshita
On 7/26/05 10:11 PM, "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i never noticed before > today, but Pentax has only 1700 employees. encouraging early retirement for > 300 is close to 20%. I thought Pentax was a holding company and the actual consolidated number of employees is over 5,000 (still no

Re: FA 28mm 2.8

2005-07-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! In answer to your first question, I recently acquired a used FA 28/2.8 in excellent condition from Adorama for $149. Retails for for $229 at both Adorama & B&H. I like the slightly wider than normal view I get from the lens on the istDS. Am unable to answer the 2nd question as I have no e

Re: very OT: Air Force Twice :)

2005-07-26 Thread Bob Blakely
And? Regards, Bob... - "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to Frenc

Re: OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Thanks for the link Bill. I was really trying to ask (pardon my beating around the bush) if I need to make any development compensations due to the age of the film. I seem to recall reading somewhere that it might be necessary to adjust development times for old film, but I can't find the referen

Re: OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread Scott Loveless
I exposed the film about three weeks ago. Once I realized just how old it is, I stuck it in the refrigerator. It's still there waiting for me On 7/26/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you just exposed it, it is probably OK. maybe not the best you can get > out of the film, b

Re: OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: OT film processing Howdy, gang! I have inadvertently exposed a very expired roll of P3200 TMAX. Circa 1997. Exposed at 1600 ASA. Would anyone have any processing recommendations, or do you think I'm SOL? P3200 is, in reality,

Re: OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
if you just exposed it, it is probably OK. maybe not the best you can get out of the film, but not bad. Herb - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: OT film processing Howdy, gang! I have inadvertently

Re: PESO: NInja (Redux)

2005-07-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Ouch! Looks like Ninja has won his fair share of door prizes. Wonderful photo. Grain, contrast, yadayadayada. It's all about the moment, which you have certainly captured. Thanks for sharing. On 7/26/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cotty's question of whether I had any clos

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David Mann" Subject: Re: RAW file processing Can you still get Disc format processed and printed? My brother used to have one of those cameras. No. William Robb

OT film processing

2005-07-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Howdy, gang! I have inadvertently exposed a very expired roll of P3200 TMAX. Circa 1997. Exposed at 1600 ASA. Would anyone have any processing recommendations, or do you think I'm SOL? Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: "K.Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But I just finished polishing up my cloudy crystal ball and now I can see > @#!?*&%. I traded my SMC crystal ball for an L. The future seems less cloudy now... :-) Christian

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread K.Takeshita
On 7/26/05 9:49 PM, "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After all, a higher end SLR typically sell 1/10 or less the quantity of entry > level models; Exactly. Here's what Canon are saying. It might show some of their mindset. [To tell the truth, we (Canon) still do not know the size and t

Re: PESO: NInja (Redux)

2005-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bingo! Thanks! -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: NInja (Redux)

2005-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm guessing "bunny", maybe "fuzzy bunny". Maybe just Fuzzy. -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: NInja (Redux)

2005-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/05, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Frank > your are one of the (lucky?) photographers where the content of the shots > usually out weights the technical shortcomings. > Still a PDML collection for a good scanner would be a good idea ;-) > I like the enlarged crop a lot more t

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread David Mann
On Jul 27, 2005, at 5:36 AM, William Robb wrote: [...] as well as online storage on two different servers, preferably on two different continents is definitely the way to go if you want to limit your risk. I've done this for some stuff: local backup here plus another copy in the USA. Wit

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread David Mann
On Jul 27, 2005, at 5:33 AM, William Robb wrote: It's also getting difficult to find printing for oddball neg sizes now, to the point the average consumer is shit out of luck if they want a 127, 126, or any of the weird mini sheet sizes of black and white film printed. Can you still get D

Re: PESO -- A Neighborhood

2005-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/24/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I debated a while about posting this but I've decided to after all > > http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_aneighborhood.html > > No technical data I'm feeling lazy. > > As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. > I

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread David Mann
On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:34 AM, danilo wrote: My forehead is also flatter now, I thrashed it on my keyboard several times. I've also spent a couple of days wandering like a zombie in the city, swearing to some saint. People though I was insane. Indeed I was. I remember reading about a photograp

Re: I Suck.

2005-07-26 Thread David Mann
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:41 AM, William Robb wrote: Oh and I don't see any 43's there. Your collection is incomplete! I have something like a dozen 50s. Is that close enough? Only if one of them is the special Limited-style one that was sold with the LX2000. I'm starting to feel inadequat

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
introducing the 645D tells me that they consider the 645 market their loved ones and that they are willing to sacrifice the rest. i never noticed before today, but Pentax has only 1700 employees. encouraging early retirement for 300 is close to 20%. Herb - Original Message - From:

Re: A thirst for Art

2005-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/05, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This story harks back to the thread last week about ancient water from > glaciers: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4718573.stm > > Bob I'm speechless - on so many levels... -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Carti

very OT: Air Force Twice :)

2005-07-26 Thread Mishka
an interesting typo in NYT: "The president's aides, including Ari Fleischer, his press secretary, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, would attempt to blunt Mr. Wilson's claims in on-the-record briefings, before *Air Force Once* took off for Senegal and then for the correspondents f

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread K.Takeshita
On 7/26/05 8:26 PM, "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm not selling any of my Pentax equipment to finance whatever i get because > i don't need to. i just won't use it as much because it isn't able to do the > job that i need from a camera system. meeting 80% of my needs isn't good > eno

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: the heads rest on an air bearing when running. when not, they are resting on the drive. Not in any modern drive that I'm aware of. Any good modern drive's head mechanism does a retract and lock when powered down. Of the last 15 or so drives t

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
why now? because there is every danger that Pentax will have to exit the camera business entirely. i think Olympus, Fuji, and Konica Minolta face the same issues. Pentax camera shipments placed it 9th largest in terms of unit shipments among Japanese companies last year, and like the other three

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Pål Jensen
Herb wrote: > Pentax hasn't demonstrated that it knows one of the simplest business rules, > make sure you know who your loved ones are (core market) protect that > market. Pentax ought to be making a camera that sells to Pentax enthusiasts > who have been buying lots of those lenses that we al

RE: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 20:17, Don Sanderson wrote: > Lubricants dry and thicken. > Components change value, esp. capacitors. > Contacts oxidize. > Rubber seals, cushions, bumpers, etc. deteriorate. > The magnetic data on the platters weakens. > > These changes are very gradual on a drive stored in > c

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 18:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Herb Chong wrote: > > > the heads rest on an air bearing when running. when not, they are > > resting on the drive. > > Not in any modern drive that I'm aware of. Any good modern drive's > head mechanism does a r

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Frantisek
Watch out for nuclear blasts or similar phenomena. They can erase your HDD unless stored properly in a Faraday cage or something... OTOH, I am not sure if most photographs are actually _worth_ preserving in case of global nuclear shootout... ? Frantisek

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Herb Chong wrote: the heads rest on an air bearing when running. when not, they are resting on the drive. Not in any modern drive that I'm aware of. Any good modern drive's head mechanism does a retract and lock when powered down. Godfrey

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If you read carefully, Herb, you will notice that I didn't presume anything. I commented that you'd *have* to wait a while to get a decent price. Godfrey On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Herb Chong wrote: you're assuming i would sell within 2 years of them going belly up. Herb... - Origin

RE: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Don Sanderson
Lubricants dry and thicken. Components change value, esp. capacitors. Contacts oxidize. Rubber seals, cushions, bumpers, etc. deteriorate. The magnetic data on the platters weakens. These changes are very gradual on a drive stored in carefully climate controlled conditions but they do occur. Don

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
i don't replace them because they fail. i said i upgrade drives, not replace. Herb - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing) I don't get it either. I h

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Alan P. Hayes
I wasn't inferring that there was necessarily any learning going on-at least in my own case! At 4:03 PM -0400 7/26/05, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I would suggest that since you get an image review with digital you not only learn with digital you learn faster and right on the spot! JCO -Origi

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
the heads rest on an air bearing when running. when not, they are resting on the drive. there may be a small amount of lubricant present. that ages, bearings fail, etc. stiction isn't the problem it used to be, but it still happens. magnetic media itself fades after a while and needs periodic r

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I don't get it either. I have hard drives up to a decade old that, on test, show zero bit errors. Replace hard drives every three-four years? Seems a waste of money. The only reason to replace archive drives that frequently is to obtain more capacity, and that's economically viable because

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
you're assuming i would sell within 2 years of them going belly up. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42% Um, not immediately. You might have to wait for the collector

Re: Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Among other things bearings wear out when the drives are spun up and down. They wear less when the drives aren't spinning and strangely when they spin continually. Tim Øsleby wrote: I don't get this. A normal HD does age. That I do understand. They do spin at 7200rpm. But does a disconnected

Storing digital images (Was: RAW file processing)

2005-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
I don't get this. A normal HD does age. That I do understand. They do spin at 7200rpm. But does a disconnected external drive age? The whole external drive idea is based on two "facts" 1. That they don't spin when not used. 2. And that it's rather unlikely to get viruses at a disconnected drive.

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Um, not immediately. You might have to wait for the collector community to rev up if Pentax were to pass out of existence. Normally, when a manufacturer goes belly up, their products are fire sale territory for a while. Godfrey On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:10 PM, Herb Chong wrote: no, they will

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
i'm not selling any of my Pentax equipment to finance whatever i get because i don't need to. i just won't use it as much because it isn't able to do the job that i need from a camera system. meeting 80% of my needs isn't good enough. Pentax glass is still better and there are plenty of times wh

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 17:34, danilo wrote: > Don't rely only on the external drive. > It may save you thousands of hairs. > Mine, An 120 Gb fill of 30-40Gb of pics has fallen from my table to > the floor, while in motion. > You know what? I lost at least 10 Gb of un-backed-up pictures, and > some hand

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
no, they will be worth more. Herb - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42% In a couple of years time, when Pentax have close down their image/camera division or is bankrupt, your len

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Tom C
Not trying to speak for Herb... No one is saying "Pentax is doomed". That seems to be the words that some seem to be trying to stick in some of our mouths. What's being said, is that Pentax is not inspiring confidence, by their past actions, perceived misdirection, and lack of information re

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Tom C
William Robb wrote: If you are not analyzing every single frame that you shoot, and discovering why a picture works or not, and quantifying the reasons, you are shooting too much. If all you do is pull up a directory of thumbnails and go through them, sending the ones you don't like to digi

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 19:31, Herb Chong wrote: > being able to operate a film camera. Oh yeah, forgot about that, fully manual of course and with an external meter. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/pu

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Tom Reese
These are my opinions only. William (The Wise) Robb wrote: The way to become a better photographer is to educate your eye. The way to do that is to look at pictures, not necessarily take them. Look at them, see why the work, and more importantly, what causes them to fail, which they inevitably

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Tom C
IV Tom C. From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: "Pentax Discuss" Subject: Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:06:55 -0600 - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
being able to operate a film camera. Herb - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? It's too easy to make many shots in digiland so we need to design a new

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Albano Garcia
Cotty, With my Fuji S5000 digicam, you can record a voice message to attach to the pic if you want. (never used the feature) Regards Albano --- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > discombobulated, unleashed: > > >But I never would have recorded the data in a

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
old boxes physically die. i can't imagine any reasonable scenario where a JPEG won't be readable 100 years from now. the Internet has seen to that. TIFF is almost as likely. Herb... - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:33 PM

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Juan Buhler
It probably boils down to money. If I had plenty, and could get my tri-X developed and scanned by the time I return home, I might still be using my Leica. I also liked having time between shooting and editing. I still do, but editing on the fly at least keeps me shooting more. I think that's the r

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42% OK, we've heard that they said that. I guess that means after the Optio 60 then... I'm not sure what they mean by three models. Three static mode

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I find the photographic experience has two aspects in this regard: - I want to see my results, from either film or digital, as quickly as possible to see what I did technically. This helps me reinforce what I'm doing right in terms of exposure and camera operation ... "Did I get the focus r

Re: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread Herb Chong
they most certainly age, and possibly badly. i trust them because i have triple backups and upgrade all my hard drives about once every 2-3 years. Herb - Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: RE: RAW file proce

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 23:51, Bob W wrote: > How do we know that unless we see all the unpublished frames? > Cartier-Bresson reputedly shot some 16,000 rolls of film during his life - > that's about 800 a year over the 50 most active years. We only ever see a > few hundred of the photos. This doesn't m

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 15:42, Mark Roberts wrote: > In the days before digital, it was commonly accepted that the best way > to become a better photographer was to get out and take a lot of photos. > I don't see any reason that would have changed with digital, but some > people think it has. It's too

PESO: Simplicity

2005-07-26 Thread Steve Jolly
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/paw/simplicity *istDS, Tamron 28-200 f3.8-4.5, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1/400s Taken next to Putney Bridge, in London. All comments and criticisms encouraged. :-) S

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Tom Reese
Juan Buhler wrote: Well, I took it as success rate--how many good pictures over how many total pictures you took. I don't know if that works either. My pictures are improving all the time but my percentage of keepers is about the same. As I improve, I become harder to please. My bad pictures

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 14:18, Mark Roberts wrote: > Oh wait... you're referring to digital? > Right. I took over 500 shots this weekend and got aperture, focal > length, exposure compensation and lens data on every one. No pencil or > notepad involved. Couldn't have done it with a pencil and notepad. >

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Bob W
> How do we know that unless we see all the unpublished frames? > Cartier-Bresson reputedly shot some 16,000 rolls of film during his > life - that's about 800 a year over the 50 most active years. > Er, not it's not. It's, um, 16 over .5 times 1000 plus the number I first thought of... twelvt

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I don't think that it's digital per se that's helpful here. I think it's a matter of your preferred or self imposed style of working. If you could shoot TX and get the processed film back to you as conveniently, would one way or the other matter? I'm the opposite, even when I've shot digital. I

Re: I Suck.

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 10:20, Joseph Tainter wrote: > Rob, you could console yourself with this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7533716463&category=15240 Ah, thanks Joe, but I do still have 2 x the real thing :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT)

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 July 2005 23:07 > To: Pentax Discuss > Subject: Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom C" <> > To: <> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM > S

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Bob W
> > Well, I took it as success rate--how many good pictures over > how many total pictures you took. > > With that criterion though, Garry Winogrand was a terrible > photographer. > How do we know that unless we see all the unpublished frames? Cartier-Bresson reputedly shot some 16,000 rolls

Re: Hank & Ansel go head-to-head in desert snapper death struggle

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: Hank & Ansel go head-to-head in desert snapper death struggle Hi, I may have mentioned already that I am reading the newly-published biography of HCB. While reading it I have also been looking at the book "The Man, the Image & the World

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" <> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? Well it was at noon... BTW did I tell you that ...I no longer drink? Really? What do you do to keep from dehydrating? b...

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? "Alan P. Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Digital cameras have made me a photographer. Taking more and more pictures has made me a better photographer. In the days before di

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Juan Buhler
On 7/26/05, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I scribbled: > > > A better photographer is, I guess, one who takes fewer bad > > photos, or more good photos per exposure, > > I don't really mean more good photos per exposure, since you can only take > one photo, good or bad, per exposure. I mean

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Mishka
it is a total bull. the guy was hungover or something. mishka On 7/26/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > > Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml > > I read the article... What can I say? > > Hones

Mendocino Moon Squat(Rick)

2005-07-26 Thread Jack Davis
Rick, I deleted the supporting thumbnail, but now has been re-installed. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=71 Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Final assortment of Mid-Ohio photos on line

2005-07-26 Thread Mark Roberts
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/mid-o.htm Quite a few updates & improvements. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

RE: RAW file processing

2005-07-26 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Tim your strategy leaves a lot of security holes open. A virus, fire, theft and else would eat your backups for lunch ;-) only several backup copies (with a history) on non rewritable mediums stored on different places are *quite" safe. greetings Markus (PC supporter) >>-Original Messa

Re: PESO - Blissful ignorance

2005-07-26 Thread Gonz
Beautiful shot. BTW, your text has it "Bubmle bee". rg Jostein wrote: I told this girl she wasn't supposed to fly away. At least she stayed long enough for a pose. :-) http://www.oksne.net/paw/humle.html Jostein

PESO - The Grandeur

2005-07-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
As we were looking around for places to shoot the sunset, we came upon this scene. It was late in the day, but the sun wasn't far enough down to really kick up the color. To give you an idea of just how big Monument Valley is, this first pic is a 100% crop from the lower-middle frame of the whole

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Mark Roberts
"Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Shel never uses a pencil. He is always accompanied by his amanuensis. Watch your language! This is a family-oriented list! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Another thing: There are times when the instant review is actually too much of a distraction to my train of thought, so I turn it off. Godfrey On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Tom C wrote: Yes in some cases, no in others. There's only so much one can see on a 2 inch screen. Tom C. From:

RE: Paw. GFM Pic #10. IR #2

2005-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Boris is a man of strange compliments. ;-) This plain Norwegian is a bit less subtle. I love the picture. IR photo is now on my "things I want to play with in next life list". Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely a

Re: PESO: Mendocino Moon Squat

2005-07-26 Thread Rick Womer
Photolight tells me this image is missing, too. ??? Rick --- Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the return from our recent coast drive, I > hesitated > for this "drive-by". > The scan was conveniently done on the Epson 3170. > Soft > detail is a lot to ask of this scanner. > > http://w

Re: PAW: Trinidad Stairway

2005-07-26 Thread Rick Womer
I'm getting an error message, saying that the image is missing. --- Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was a soft and pleasing scene I thought I'd > share. Shot a couple days ago in Trinidad, CA. > > http://www.photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=57 > > The 'classic' "S" sha

Re: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: >But I never would have recorded the data in a notebook. No time for >scribbling. A voice note attached to a frame would be nice ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps

RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

2005-07-26 Thread Tom C
Yes in some cases, no in others. There's only so much one can see on a 2 inch screen. Tom C. From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: Subject: RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:03:41 -0400 I would sugge

RE: Late afternoon walk

2005-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Very nice photos. I think I prefer nr. 1. The building in the background does it for me. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Jim H

Re: FA 28mm 2.8

2005-07-26 Thread Pat Kong
Hi Juan, In answer to your first question, I recently acquired a used FA 28/2.8 in excellent condition from Adorama for $149. Retails for for $229 at both Adorama & B&H. I like the slightly wider than normal view I get from the lens on the istDS. Am unable to answer the 2nd question as I have n

Re: PESO - Blissful ignorance

2005-07-26 Thread brooksdj
> I told this girl she wasn't supposed to fly away. At least she stayed > long enough for a pose. :-) > > http://www.oksne.net/paw/humle.html > > Jostein > Very nice Jostein. Very crisp and clean on my work monotor. The flash looks like it caught a

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