Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You're so full of shit Cotty it's running out your ears. Had you been reading some of the messages here recently you'd know damned well that's not true. You're kill-filed for reasons we discussed privately (which you decided to make public) and because of your annoying sig line, which we also dis

RE: OT: The arab family

2006-07-09 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, Godfrey, Bob and Carlos. I'm surprised - and happy - you liked the photgraphs. No, I didn't have the peoples adresses. But the shots are published under a link button called Palestina, which I told them, they would be. >From the web site statisitics I can see that the images have been watc

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
My apologies to the list. This was to be sent privately to Cotty ... sorry you had to see it. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You're so full of shit Cotty it's running out your ears. {snip} -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdm

Re: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, William Robb wrote: > From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject: Re: 10-17mm Review > >> Since it's a fisheye, one would expect that. No? > > Some, but this is really bad... Can you show us something? TIA! Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/ma

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I don't see it as a "cat photo," but rather as a photo in which there are cats. Shel > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/brothers.html > Don't much like cat photos, but that's nice. Because it's different. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >You're so full of shit Cotty it's running out your ears. Gotcha. Job done. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Penta

Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 8/7/06, Russell Kerstetter, discombobulated, unleashed: >to me trolling has two connotations: a troll, but also poking about >hoping to find something interesting, like when fishing > >but according to the wikipedia, there is only the one > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll I think

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: >Really? Killfiled? But you are a harmless twit, oops, wit. Mostly harmless ;-)) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pen

RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?

2006-07-09 Thread Jens Bladt
These fish are HUGE, aren't they? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Cotty Sendt: 9. juli 2006 11:47 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: OT: Why do you take

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >My apologies to the list. This was to be sent privately to Cotty ... sorry >you had to see it. I'm not sorry at all (for once). I'm also not as full of shit as you think I am, old chap. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | P

RE: OT: Panoramas and the speed issue

2006-07-09 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, David. The backslash was done by - the Namo Web Editor 5.5. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af David Mann Sendt: 6. juli 2006 08:10 Til: Pentax-Dis

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:40 PM, John Forbes wrote: > $1,000/pound. What rubbish. > > On that basis an airfare for a human being would be $150,000. > > I do wish people would think before making such crazy assertions. John, you'll note that he says "for large quantities". Human beings are not ship

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've shipped 4000 pound cars via air freight. I think the charge was about $100,000, which works out to $25 per pound. There's no way anyone pays $1000 per pound to ship anything of any size. On Jul 9, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:40 PM, John Forbes wrote: > >

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread David Savage
A client of ours flew out a new cutting head for their dredge. Approx weight 15 tonnes. I hope to God it didn't cost them $33 million to get it here. Dave On 7/9/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've shipped 4000 pound cars via air freight. I think the charge was > about $100,000,

Re: PESO - Brothers

2006-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 7/7/2006 11:40:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >This is why I am killfiled. > >Shel is quite happy to post a pic, but the moment someone suggests an >alternative preference, he gets goes defensive and woe betide if you >don't se

A few pics around the garden

2006-07-09 Thread Don Williams
I'm still collecting flower pics. There are a few on Picassa. Here: http://picasaweb.google.com/don.donwilliams/Converted I thought I'd try it since it seems to be quite easy to use. The space they provide -- 250 megabytes -- is not to be sneezed at either. I should have changed the directory

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Don Williams
I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be silent. This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just did two calculations for 4000 kgs and 2000 kgs of cartons (holding about twenty cameras each) across the Atlantic from Toivakka to New York -- door to door. Th

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Jack Davis
Kodak did that, Marnie. :) I divulged the process in a post last evening. While reviewing some color negative poppy shots, this image stuck with me. I ultimately mounted the frame in a slide mount and took it to a lab and had a reverse Fujichrome print done. Complete accident, but has been a "succe

Re: PESO -- Untitled VI now in B&W was [Re: PESO -- Untitled VI]

2006-07-09 Thread Rick Womer
Me too! Rick --- Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it better B&W than color > > russell > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW

Re: A few pics around the garden

2006-07-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
Nice Don, Picassa works for me. The macros are particularly sharp. Some of those flower shots belong in a catalogue. Regards, Bob S. On 7/9/06, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still collecting flower pics. There are a few on Picassa. > > Here: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/don.do

OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
Where am I? http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3 mile radius. -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/09 Sun AM 10:46:01 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B > > > On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:40 PM, John Forbes wrote: > > > $1,000/pound. What rubbish. > > > > On that basis an airfare for a human being

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Jack Davis wrote: >Okay, so you'll get some sleep tonight, I'll tell you this is a >positive print of a color negative. Cool. So this is actually a photo of a red flower. This is just the kind of flower shot I like: So close up that it becomes a study in form, shape, texture and light, rather th

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
We import fresh fruit and flowers from South America and the Hawaiian Islands to the US using air freight, it's important that these get here while still fresh, I'm sure that a Canada does the same. If it cost $1000/lb no one could afford to buy a dozen roses or even a mango. So lets think a

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/09 Sun PM 03:16:34 GMT > To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" > Subject: OT: An exercise in triangulation > > Where am I? > > http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > > PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3

Re: GESO - Red, White and Blue Kites

2006-07-09 Thread George Sinos
I forgot to say these were taken with either the DA 16-45mm or the 50-200mm on the istD. Thanks for the comments. See you later, gs On 7/7/06, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On July 1 - the local kite club held their Red, White and Blue Festival. > > Here's

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Jack Davis
Mark, To show a version of the color, I'm attaching a shot of the actual Poppy used for the shot. Both taken on Ektar 100 with an M 50mm f/1.4 and close-up filter. (forget which #) Appreciate comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=125 --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Don Williams wrote: >I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be silent. >This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just did two >calculations for 4000 kgs and 2000 kgs of cartons (holding about twenty >cameras each) across the Atlantic from Toivakka to New Y

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread David Savage
It's too late to try and figure out exactly, but it's somewhere south west of London & and west southwest of Rome. Somewhere in the southern area of Spain or North Africa? Dave On 7/9/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where am I? > > http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > > PDML Geogra

Re: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" Subject: Re: 10-17mm Review >> Some, but this is really bad... > > Can you show us something? What would you like to see? BTW, I was just funnin' about the fisheye thing. It's a pretty cool lens. Can anyone recommend a defishing

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B > I've shipped 4000 pound cars via air freight. I think the charge was > about $100,000, which works out to $25 per pound. There's no way anyone > pays $1000 per pound to ship anything of any size. > On Ju

RE: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
> > > > Can you show us something? > > What would you like to see? > BTW, I was just funnin' about the fisheye thing. > It's a pretty cool lens. > Can anyone recommend a defishing utility? No way. If we give you a defish, we won't feed you today. But if we teach you to defish we'll starve you fo

Re: Magic Hour

2006-07-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Magic Hour > Quick question: Color temp around "magic hour" is about 3100K - 3200K, > right? > > Shooting at or around that temp will give more normal colors, shooting > around daylight temp will give the warmer evening colors ... is

Re: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: RE: 10-17mm Review > No way. If we give you a defish, we won't feed you today. But if we > teach you to defish we'll starve you for a lifetime. Im not asking you to give me defish, nor even teach me to defish. Just point me in the general

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >Where am I? > >http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > >PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3 >mile radius. I'll go Ceuta. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|htt

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: >Where am I? > >http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > >PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3 >mile radius. Gibraltar? -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net h

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Doug Brewer
First glance it looks like it might be Gibraltar, but I don't think so. I'm guessing somewhere in the Canaries. Could be Santa Cruz De Las Palmas. On Jul 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Bob W wrote: > Where am I? > > http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > > PDML Geographer of the Year Award to who

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:21:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, To show a version of the color, I'm attaching a shot of the actual Poppy used for the shot. Both taken on Ektar 100 with an M 50mm f/1.4 and close-up filter. (forget which #) Appreciate comments. Jack h

Re: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I've been experimenting PTLens photoshop plugin from ePaperpress. It seems to do a pretty good job. It used to be free under the GNU copyleft agreement, but the new versions cost money, (I don't really have a problem it costing money, I just hate to pay for something that used to be free),

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Doug Brewer
Or should I say Santa Cruz de la Palma. too many ssses.. On Jul 9, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Bob W wrote: > Where am I? > > http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > > PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3 > mile radius. > > -- > Regards, > Bob > > > > -- > PDML Pe

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
And you would actually use FED/Ex? William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Paul Stenquist" >Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B > > > > >>I've shipped 4000 pound cars via air freight. I think the charge was >>about $100,000, which works out to $25 per pound. There's no way

Re: 10-17mm Review

2006-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Ok, it's in the general direction of deocean. William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Bob W" >Subject: RE: 10-17mm Review > > > > > >>No way. If we give you a defish, we won't feed you today. But if we >>teach you to defish we'll starve you for a lifetime. >> >> > >Im no

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 12:40:13PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > Don Williams wrote: > > >I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be silent. > >This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just did two > >calculations for 4000 kgs and 2000 kgs of cartons (holding ab

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Doug Brewer
On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > Mark, > To show a version of the color, I'm attaching a shot of the actual > Poppy used for the shot. Both taken on Ektar 100 with an M 50mm f/1.4 > and close-up filter. (forget which #) > Appreciate comments. > > Jack > > http://photolightimages.c

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, wish I could take credit for the idea. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:21:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Mark, > To show a version of the color, I'm attaching a shot of the actual > Poppy used for the shot. Both taken on Ekt

Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy

2006-07-09 Thread Jack Davis
That, of course, would take me a couple seconds, so, of course, it never gets done. ;) Jack --- Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Mark, > > To show a version of the color, I'm attaching a shot of the actual > > Poppy used for the sh

Re: Brick wall shot

2006-07-09 Thread Jens Bladt
Well done, Bob. It's so well exposed, that I wondered if the sky is painted too ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Bob W Sendt: 8. juli 2006 2

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
Aaron, When you're in a hole, stop digging. And put your brain in gear. As Don points out, large quantities would result in lower prices, not higher ones. I suspect whoever posted this meant $1,000/ton, not per pound. And LESS for larger quantities. If larger quantities cost more, people

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 12:40:13PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > > >>Don Williams wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be silent. >>>This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just did two >>>calculations for 4000 k

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: >Aaron, > >When you're in a hole, stop digging. > >And put your brain in gear. > >As Don points out, large quantities would result in lower prices, not >higher ones. > >I suspect whoever posted this meant $1,000/ton, not per pound. And LESS >for larger quantities. If large

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Cite all the figures you want, $1000 per pound is still way off the mark. The numbers I cited for transporting cars on pallets where from Detroit to Christ Church New Zealand. It was approximagely $25 per pound, two cars, 8000 pounds. Difficult loading and unloading constraints. Extra preca

RE: Brick wall shot

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
Thanks - it looks like it, doesn't it? -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jens Bladt > Sent: 09 July 2006 20:07 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Brick wall shot > > Well done, Bob. > It's so well exposed,

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
Adam, You're still talking nonsense. If these freight aircraft can carry 78 tons, then charging $1,000 per pound would yield gross revenue of $156 million per flight. Strange that most of the American airline industry is in Chapter 11 when there is so much money to be earned shipping camer

RE: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
...and the winner of the coveted award is... Mike Wilson! Tell us, Mike - when you've caught your breath - how are you going to use your title to further the good of mankind and promote worldwide peace this year? To be precise, it is Europa Point, the southernmost tip of Gibraltar, and the place

Re: PESO - Farmer's Market

2006-07-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
Marnie, I don't know what's wrong with your downloads. These are the biggest sized uploads that I have used with Picassa. Maybe they are acting up...this is a beta copy of Picassa. Thanks for looking. Regards, Bob S. On 7/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message dated 7/8

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Dig, dig, dig, dig :-) On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > John Forbes wrote: > >> Aaron, >> >> When you're in a hole, stop digging. >> >> And put your brain in gear. >> >> As Don points out, large quantities would result in lower prices, not >> higher ones. >> >> I suspect whoever post

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Going back to the original question, I can't imagine that Pentax has ever shipped 40 tons of anything, anywhere. I would guess their typical shipment to New York is a ton at most. Look at the numbers. They haven't sold 40 tons of cameras in the history of the company. Paul On Jul 9, 2006, at

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Okay, my last post was an exaggeration. But it takes Pentax a long time to sell 40 tons of cameras worldwide, let alone to one market. I would guess shipments to distributors average quite a bit less than one ton. Paul On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > John Forbes wrote: > >> Aa

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
You see a statue of a Falcon while you were there? Bob S. On 7/9/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where am I? > > http://www.web-options.com/walkden083.jpg > > PDML Geographer of the Year Award to whoever gets it right, within a 3 > mile radius. > > -- > Regards, > Bob > > > > -- > PDML Pe

Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Doug Brewer
Interesting. They must have had the distances wrong then. My wife and I once decided, in a rare double brain cramp, to hike to the top of Gibraltar. Compounding this idiocy was that I had somehow strained my left knee walking/climbing around Granada for a week, so it was a lot of uphill limp

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Are my numbers off, possibly by an order of magnitude (Which I've admitted earlier, since I'm pulling form an old source I don't have handy) John Forbes wrote: >Adam, > >You're still talking nonsense. If these freight aircraft can carry 78 >tons, then charging $1,000 per pound would yield g

[Fwd: postprocessing filmscan with heavy grain]

2006-07-09 Thread Vic Mortelmans
|NOTE: |This may be the second time this message appears, but I think I've been |using an old address of this list? | Original Message |Subject: postprocessing filmscan with heavy grain |Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:07:16 +0200 |From: Vic Mortelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |To: pentax ep

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
It would never be more expensive to ship a larger quantity. It would only be more expensive if you were shipping one huge item that wouldn't fit conveniently into a conventional aircraft. Something like a Sherman tank, or perhaps Canon's latest pro body. Pentax cameras are not in that leag

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/9/2006 5:45:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way *the more you send* the cheaper it gets! Don === Yeah, I run a small home-based business. While I do not ship overseas, it usually is cheaper to do anything when you have a larger quantity. The

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Don Williams
Adam Maas wrote: > Don Williams wrote: > > >> I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be silent. >> This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just did two >> calculations for 4000 kgs and 2000 kgs of cartons (holding about twenty >> cameras each) across th

RE: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
Wrong place - but Gibraltar was full of Maltese families, brought over as a matter of policy to weaken any loyalty to Spain. And Russian sailors. Back then you could spot the Russians because they were always laden down with consumer goodies to take home. The Americans just wanted to take photos of

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Pentax produces 120,000 or so DS's in 2005 according to numbers posted here earlier (Nikon and Canon do that in a month of course, per model). At a conservative estimate of 1kg/box (Since the camera is about 1lb, plus packaging, CD's, cables, batteries, etc). That's 120 tons of DS's a year, inc

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
BS. Larger quantities only are cheaper when they still fit inside the cheapest method of shipping, without monopolizing it (If you suddenly started using up all available cheap air freight, your prices are going to go up, a lot), which is only viable for small quantities of items. And if that d

RE: OT: An exercise in triangulation

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
> > Interesting. They must have had the distances wrong then. that wouldn't surprise me. I've no idea where the distances came from, or what they really are. I suppose it depends on whether you measure them on a flat map, or on a globe. > > My wife and I once decided, in a rare double brain cra

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
You said $1000 per pound, not $100, you devious little man. So it IS $156 million. Look at the rates quoted here, for shipping from China to New York. They quote $3 per kilo for items over 500 kilos, which is about $1.30 per pound. http://www.binocularschina.com/guide/freightoptimization.htm

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Ryan Brooks
Adam Maas wrote: > Most electronic goods are shipped by sea in containers. Pentax cameras > fall into that category, as does most of Canons stuff. Only expensive, > low volume sales items would be shipped by air (Like a Canon 1Ds or > Hasselblad H2D, and the former likely gets sent by sea anyway

Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/8/2006 7:45:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6,

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
Are you accusing me of talking bullshit? You, the immortal genius who claims that trans-Pacific airfreight costs $1,000 per pound when it actually costs just over $1.00? The supreme Economist who claims that things go up in price the more you buy? And who hasn't worked out that if it costs

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: >You said $1000 per pound, not $100, you devious little man. So it IS $156 >million. > > Except, if you'd actually read my numbers, I'd admitted the $1000/lb number was probably wrong (As is the source I got it from). So I'm not being devious, I've said repeatedly that I w

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/9/2006 1:42:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are a moron, my friend, plain and simple. John === Sometimes you just have to love PDML. Sling some name calling around here, sling some name calling around there. Definitely not boring. Marnie aka

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: >Are you accusing me of talking bullshit? You, the immortal genius who >claims that trans-Pacific airfreight costs $1,000 per pound when it >actually costs just over $1.00? > > Actually, the best numbers for large quantities and masses that have been quoted here was $25/

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Ryan Brooks wrote: >Adam Maas wrote: > > >>Most electronic goods are shipped by sea in containers. Pentax cameras >>fall into that category, as does most of Canons stuff. Only expensive, >>low volume sales items would be shipped by air (Like a Canon 1Ds or >>Hasselblad H2D, and the former lik

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Yikes! Okay, perhaps I should have been more clear -- I wasn't defending the numbers, which I know nothing about. I was trying to clear up the fact that Pentax DOES ship by sea for large orders and by air for small ones. Regardless of what one thinks of "common sense" or "basic economics",

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Joe Strain
I just joined the list today from a SPOTMATIC group having chosen to use my Pentax optics on a new *istDL My interests are in technical and macro phorography using f 4.5 Pentax Macro 50 mm, 100 mm (or thereabouts) bellows takumar So far I havent learned a thing and will be keeping my responses O

RE: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
when you enter a crowded room for the first time do you make a habit of lecturing the people already in there? -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Strain > Sent: 09 July 2006 22:23 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > S

Re: OT canon pro-1 and viewfinder comparisons

2006-07-09 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Happened into the local Micro Center electronics store and found they > had one Canon Pro-1 camera left. It's an in-case demo unit. If Ann or > anyone else would like it, I found they would let me have it for $610 > plus tax. > > --- > > > Godfrey thanks for the thou

Spotmatics, Was Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
We'll be on-topic shortly. Thread drift happens (in this case, because I used a bad source on air freight numbers). So, which Spotmatics do you use? I'm an M42 afficianado, and I shoot with a Spotmatic SP, as well as a Chinon CM-3 and M42 adaptors in my LX, MX and Ricoh KR-5sv. My main bodies a

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Bob, He's got a point. For all my participation in it, this was one of the sillier threads in recent history. -Adam Bob W wrote: >when you enter a crowded room for the first time do you make a habit >of lecturing the people already in there? > >-- >Cheers, > Bob > > > >>-Original Messa

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:49:18 +0100, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Forbes wrote: > >> You said $1000 per pound, not $100, you devious little man. So it IS >> $156 >> million. >> >> > Except, if you'd actually read my numbers, I'd admitted the $1000/lb > number was probably wrong (A

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Yep, the $1000/lb number is wrong (unless you are talking a Super Guppy or AN-224, which is where I expect my source got it, unfortunately they didn't divulge the math behiond the umber, and I took it on face value, mistakenly). It doesn't change the basic equations of air freight vs sea freigh

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: >Other way around actually. Passenger Aircraft are cheaper to operate, >and longer ranged. Take the Passenger and Freight versions of the >747-400ER. The Passenger version can move between 416 and 524 passengers >depending on configuration, plus

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: >Are you accusing me of talking bullshit? Mark! PS --> ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Welcome to the PDML

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Joe, Welcome to the list. As you've already seen, we sometimes talk about things that have very little to do with Pentax cameras. That's due in part to the fact that we cover Pentax cameras in depth. Sometimes there's just not much more to talk about, so we digress. We're more than a sou

Re: Spotmatics, Was Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Joe Strain
I have an F and a Ricoh Singlex with the self timer and the 50mm f 1.4 lens that looks exactly like my 50 f 1.4 super takumar. Will using most of my lenses with M42 to K adapter on my *istDL I used to soup my own color reversal and direct positive B & W film but prefer the convenience of digital

Re: OT canon pro-1 and viewfinder comparisons

2006-07-09 Thread Joe Strain
There's an *istDL on EBAY whose bid currently is half that (19 hours) I got mine (a body)for $330 yodar --- Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > > Happened into the local Micro Center electronics > store and found they > > had one Canon Pro-1 camera left. It

Re: Welcome to the PDML

2006-07-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hi Joe, >Welcome to the list. As you've already seen, we sometimes talk about >things that have very little to do with Pentax cameras. That's due in >part to the fact that we cover Pentax cameras in depth. Sometimes >there's just not mu

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: >On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:49:18 +0100, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>John Forbes wrote: >> >> >> >>>You said $1000 per pound, not $100, you devious little man. So it IS >>>$156 >>>million. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Except, if you'd actually read my numbers, I'

Re: Spotmatics, Was Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Adam Maas
Joe Strain wrote: >I have an F and a Ricoh Singlex with the self timer >and the 50mm f 1.4 lens that looks exactly like my 50 >f 1.4 super takumar. > > Great lens, I've got the 50/1.4 Super Takumar as well. >Will using most of my lenses with M42 to K adapter on >my *istDL > > Worked really n

RE: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Bob W
So what? It's still bloody rude to walk in and SHOUT at everybody. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Adam Maas > Sent: 09 July 2006 22:36 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B > > Bob

Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

2006-07-09 Thread Jack Davis
Don't tempt me, Marnie. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/2006 7:45:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your > reaction/repulsion. > Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. > I'v

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
You have to remember, my numbers were for prototype cars that had to be handled with extreme care. And they were received at an airport that wasn't well equipped for those kind of shipments. It's an extreme case, and I doubt that it ever gets more costly than that. (Chrysler seemed to think

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/9/2006 3:14:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what? It's still bloody rude to walk in and SHOUT at everybody. -- Cheers, Bob == Yes. It's always wise when approaching a new group to go slowly and absorb the atmosphere. Figure out the personalitie

Re: Magic Hour

2006-07-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/8/2006 7:50:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's right. But I just shoot RAW with automatic white balance and dial in the look I want during conversion. I remember shooting a comercial for Lincoln some fifteen years ago. It was shot during magic

Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread John Forbes
Fair cop! John On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:38:28 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/7/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Are you accusing me of talking bullshit? > > Mark! > > PS --> ;-) > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --

Re: Spotmatics, Was Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-07-09 Thread Joe Strain
Is Kodak Universal M/Q developer still out there in single use packets? --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe Strain wrote: > > >I have an F and a Ricoh Singlex with the self timer > >and the 50mm f 1.4 lens that looks exactly like my > 50 > >f 1.4 super takumar. > > > > > > Great

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