RE: PESO'S: Partly OT

2006-11-18 Thread Jens Bladt
Good point, Paul. I recently ordered a 50x50 cm (20x20) print from at Rolleiflex slide (scanned). Man was that disappointing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/288773353/ Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig

Re: thoughts from the road

2006-11-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/11/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: We are subject to language scrutiny these days. Can't afford to get sloppy. ..ier. ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

RE: PESO'S: Partly OT

2006-11-18 Thread Jens Bladt
BTW: I normally regard A3 (10x17) as the maximum for prints made from 35mm film or 6 MP cameras. That's as far as 300ppi (photo realistic quality) goes. 20x20 prints (50x50 cm) normally require Medium Format or 6000x6000 pixel = 36 Megapixel. Up-rezing is fine but doesn'r really improve the

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Brendan MacRae
Yeah, the first time getting back some transparencies with this camera is fun. One question, why rate positive ISO 50 film at ISO 40? I would go the other way and underexpose it slightly by rating the film at ISO 64 or more. -Brendan --- J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few people

RE: LCD Monitor Questions

2006-11-18 Thread Rod Connan
Having purchased a pair of LCD panels at the start of this year for a twinscreen setup, I had to get this question straight for myself. As I remember it, 8 bit panel - all colours are in direct pixel drive mode - each pixel colour has 256 possible intensities which gives 256 x 256 x 256 + 16 777

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks for posting the link. I took a look at the 1600 ISO shot, and I'm not particularly impressed with the amount of noise. It seems that the istDS is, or at least, can be, quieter, if that's the right term. Admittedly, it's not too bad, although at some point it would be nice to see more

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread J and K Messervy
When reading up about the film, I noticed that it was almost universally rated at around 40 or so by pros. Judging by the almost flawless exposures I got, I'm not going to argue with that. James - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread John Forbes
I have to say, Peter, that I still don't like what you are doing with these pictures. Again, this one looks like a bad scan, which is a pity because the composition is OK. John On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:03:32 -, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a slice of still life shot,

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Patrick Genovese
You rate it at iso 40 but process it normally right --- ie you are overexposing by approx 1/3 stop correct ? rgds Patrick On 11/18/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When reading up about the film, I noticed that it was almost universally rated at around 40 or so by pros. Judging

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread J and K Messervy
That's right. I rated it at 40 but it was processed normally. - Original Message - From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW! You rate it at iso 40 but process it

gamma for digital printing

2006-11-18 Thread Vic Mortelmans
Hi, I use to home-develop bw negative film, scan it, post-process digitally and then order prints via an online digital photo print service. Results are good enough for the average digital camera color print, but my bw's never came out very well. Last time, I uploaded a bw gamma test-picture,

Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

2006-11-18 Thread Lon Williamson
Good trial to see if you want an f/8 mirror lens? BTW, I find mirror lenses very difficult to focus. Paul Stenquist wrote: I sold my 105 some time ago. I could try it with a 90. But I would never focus any lens at f8. What's the point? Paul On Nov 15, 2006, at 7:49 PM, William Robb wrote:

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
To my mind, Velvia looks better when shot at ISO 40. It's so oversaturated to begin with, It gets blocky and cartoonish with less exposure and more density. It also becomes more difficult to scan. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Yeah, the first time getting back some

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread David Savage
Ditto what John said. Dave On 11/18/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say, Peter, that I still don't like what you are doing with these pictures. Again, this one looks like a bad scan, which is a pity because the composition is OK. John On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:03:32

Filter: low-end B+H or Hoya HMC?

2006-11-18 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Hi, I want to buy a UV filter for my DA zooms. There are 2 options that cost more or less the same (around 20 EUR). A 'normal B+H (without extra coating) and a Hoya multicoated (called HMC or something similar). The 'normal' Hoya costs 10 EUR and it still says that is coated. I have used it in

Re: PESO'S: Partly OT

2006-11-18 Thread Jack Davis
True, but I'm glad to offer my response to the question while, at the same time, keeping in mind all those points you made. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are itty-bitty web pics. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between an 8x10 view camera shot and one

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First You will like the 12-24. BTW, I haven't seen the new battery grip anywhere. I want one. You call that enablement? Yer still pissed at me aren't you. I have the battery grip coming

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Jack Davis
I've understood for some time that exposing Velvia 50 at 40 helped bring out a bit of shadow detail. The film's properties of high contrast and oversaturation create 'special' post processing handling problems. It's resolving power is great. Jack --- J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread John Taylor
I just learned this evening that the local camera shop in the Seattle are that I was thinking of pre-ordering through is the first to actually receive shipment of the new camera. They received 3 which were already spoken for and are expecting another shipment next week. With this news I

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread Jack Davis
Certainly a unique color tone. Gives me the feeling of an 'old' image. In keeping with a number put up displaying a like hue. Interesting well assembled array of components and competent DOF. Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a slice of still life shot, a little bit of

PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5222820size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
I haven't seen the grip listed at either Amazon or BH. I didn't ask my dealer about it. I suppose I should. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:27 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First You will like the 12-24.

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread P. J. Alling
That's kind of what I was aiming for, an old image feel. I guess I'm not quite there yet based on some of the other comments I've gotten. Oh well, more practice. Jack Davis wrote: Certainly a unique color tone. Gives me the feeling of an 'old' image. In keeping with a number put up

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Bob Shell
Just by coincidence I had earlier pulled out a Velvia transparency to look at on my lightbox. It's an 8 X 10 transparency. You think 6 X 7 looks great!! I shot it some time ago on my old Eastman 2D camera with a Voigtländer 300mm f/4.5 Apo-Lanthar. I always rated it between EI 25 and

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: PESO -- Private Pond I guess a slice of still life shot, a little bit of pretty countryside. http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_privatepond.html That brings to mind drinking Sarsparilla and chatting up the ladies until the

Official high ISO K10D samples

2006-11-18 Thread Thibouille
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20919051 Look like 800 is very usable. I quite like the rendering of the 1600 iso. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO'S: Partly OT

2006-11-18 Thread Adam Maas
Yes, they are little bitty web pics. And if there are differences visible here, don't you think they'd be more obvious at 16x20? That said, I'd suspect these are pretty much straight from conversion/scan and could use some manipulation (Except for the Rollei pic, which seems dead on and

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Jack Davis
Gives me the feeling that the caffeine has yet to kick in. Very nice mood, well caught. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5222820size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

RE: PESO: Dinner

2006-11-18 Thread Tim Øsleby
Paul. I've been wondering. What's the reach with the a AF500FTZ (same GN as Sigma, isn't it?), Kirk and let us say f:5,6? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 16. november 2006

Re: PESO: Dinner

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
I haven't done any real testing, but based on observation, I'd say about 80 feet at ISO 800. This cardinal was probably that distant. On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Paul. I've been wondering. What's the reach with the a AF500FTZ (same GN as Sigma, isn't it?), Kirk and let

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Adam Maas
More noise than the 6MP bodies was essentially guaranteed, as noise is linked to sensor site size and the 6MP sensors have much larger sensor sites. But it's very well controlled, and has the more film-like look that Pentax has maintained on its bodies than the competition (This is one reason

RE: Filter: low-end B+H or Hoya HMC?

2006-11-18 Thread Bob W
I think the nearest B+H get to filters is the ones on the end of the cigarettes they make. Perhaps you mean B+W :o) In your position I would buy the Hoya for the multicoating. The HMC filters are perfectly ok. If you were comparing a multicoated B+W with the HMC I would go with the B+W. They seem

Re: P67 + Velvia 50 = WOW!

2006-11-18 Thread Brendan MacRae
Ok. I've shot maybe two rolls of 120 in Velvia 50. Interesting. I thought most folks wouldn't want to overexpose slide film but, then again, rating the film at ISO 40 is just barely overexposing it anyway. I'll try it the next time I shoot some. -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PESO - Coffee With an Absent Friend

2006-11-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
There's a picture of a friend on my desk, one whom I've not heard from in quite some time. When I set my coffee cup down I saw this scene: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/absentfriend.html I decided to use the K55/1.8 for the relative softness of its rendering and for the smooth bokeh it

Problem with infinity focus of F 70-210 lens

2006-11-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! It appears as if my trusty F 70-210 cannot focus on the infinity any longer. The motor would drive the lens to the mark (it does not go past the mark, like some other lenses do) and blink 'cause focus is not acquired. In manual focus mode I would confirm that infinity setting does not

RE: PESO: Dinner

2006-11-18 Thread Tim Øsleby
Hm. I'm not an experienced flash shooter. Generally I prefer using fast lenses. But I do realise that flash can be handy in situations like this, to avoid blurr. I'm experiencing overexposure with TTL at 800 ISO. And you have used 1600. This puzzles me. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain

Re: PESO -- Private Pond

2006-11-18 Thread Rick Womer
The light is almost like golden hour, but a little off. Is your monitor calibrated? The composition might work better with the fence cropped out--it is a bit of a distraction. Generally a nice pic, though. Rick --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a slice of still life shot, a

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Rick Womer
I gather from the viewpoint that this was shot from the hip (or, perhaps, from the lap!). In any case, it works. How did you meter it, with the camera in your lap? Rick --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th:

Re: Filter: low-end B+H or Hoya HMC?

2006-11-18 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Did I write B+H? What I was thinking about? I have never been smoker... Thanks for your response, Bob. - Mensaje original De: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: sábado, 18 de noviembre, 2006 19:06:47 Asunto: RE: Filter: low-end B+H or Hoya HMC?

Re: PESO - Coffee With an Absent Friend

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Sorenson
The large amount of OOF area compared to the cup make my eyes want to make the picture come into focus. I wonder if it would be more pleasing to me if: a) The photo was in focus and the cup OOF, or b) Both the cup and the photo were in focus. -P Shel Belinkoff wrote: There's a picture of

Re: PESO: Dinner

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm using high speed synch on these outdoor shots. It seems quite reliable from a distance of ten feet or more. Up close, it can overexpose. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Hm. I'm not an experienced flash shooter. Generally I prefer using fast lenses. But I do

Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
How does one know that a compressed RAW file is actually lossless? Over at dpreview, Steve (apparently the first kid on the block with a K10D) has posted a DNG file taken at ISO 1600 here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zsdg52 It is a 6 mb file. When you open it in CS2, then resave it as a

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's shot from the tabletop. I used matrix metering with plus one stop of exposure compensation. The autofocus was on selective and was set for the left middle sensor. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I gather from the viewpoint that this was shot from the hip (or,

Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Bob W
Today has been a beautiful, clear, sharp, chilly day, so I went for a trip round some of the villages on the Hoo Peninsular, a 30-minute train ride to the East of Greenwich. This is one of the saddest sights: http://www.web-options.com/Hoo01-2.jpg http://www.web-options.com/Hoo01.jpg They are

RE: Official high ISO K10D samples

2006-11-18 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thibouille. There has already been a short thread on this topic. I don't remember the title, but it's in archive. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: 18. november 2006 16:19 To:

Re: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are a tough breed of people, these Hooers. They eschew 4x4s, and look down their noses at namby-pampy cyclists. Here is the pub car park in Lower Higham. Note the blatant disregard for the No Parking cones. http://www.web-options.com/Hoo02b.jpg

Re: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
Fascinating. I've read Dickens, but I never knew these graves are a reality. Thanks for posting this. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Bob W wrote: Today has been a beautiful, clear, sharp, chilly day, so I went for a trip round some of the villages on the Hoo Peninsular, a 30-minute train

Re: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Rick Womer
Bob, Photographically, the first pic has big flare problems. The second one is much better. The sign inside the chuch is way out of focus. As far as the subject matter is concerned (Warning: WAY OT), it is very recent (within the last 100 years) that one's infants are most likely going to

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Sure, although I was hoping it might be a little less than the pic shows. However, it's not particularly objectionable, and upon further viewing, It's starting to grow on me. Yes, the film like look is, I think, what I find so attractive. 800 ISO is quite nice, and I can see using that even

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm with Shel on this. I rarely shoot faster than 800 with the *istD, and, reassuringly, I see a very nice rendering at 800 with the K10D. Yet the rendering of noise with the new camera is much more like film grain one might expect. I might find myself shooting more 1600 BW with this

RE: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Bob W
Everything in Dickens is true. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 18 November 2006 22:52 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pip's graves Fascinating. I've read Dickens, but I never knew these

RE: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Bob W
Bob, Photographically, the first pic has big flare problems. The second one is much better. The sign inside the chuch is way out of focus. Flare is only a problem if you think it's a problem! Personally I don't think it is in this picture - I think it adds something dramatic. I think

Re: Pip's graves

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't hate the flare pic, although i think a little less would be nice. I agree that it's potentially more dramatic than the record shot. Some Photoshop work could fix some of the flare. the sign is hopelessly out of focus. I can't read it. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Bob W wrote:

RE: PESO: Bridge over troubled water

2006-11-18 Thread Jens Bladt
Its kinda nice here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/cat/9138/display/7231778 Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens Bladt Sendt: 17. november

Re: K10D Looks Like Seattle Get's It First

2006-11-18 Thread Thibouille
Yeah I myself thought that BW at 800 and 1600 ISO would be interesting to try. Can't wait to get my hands an a K10D :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Official high ISO K10D samples

2006-11-18 Thread Thibouille
Yeahsaw it after I posted. Didn't give it the attention it needed bevcause the subject line didn't catch my eyes ;) 2006/11/18, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thibouille. There has already been a short thread on this topic. I don't remember the title, but it's in archive. Tim Mostly

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Thibouille
In theory: Take a PEF file out of a K10D and DNG as well. convert to JPEG using *exactly* the same settings. Compare output. If outputs are the same then it is lossless. IMO, there 's no point in lossy compression. Zip archives are compressed and are lossless. Compression does NOT necessarily

RE: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
HUH? jpegs and mp3s are lossy compression, although I must say that each at their highest possible settings ( minimum compression ) are pretty good. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:06 PM

Re: Filter: low-end B+H or Hoya HMC?

2006-11-18 Thread John Francis
Can I use B+W filters for colour photography? On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 11:46:49AM -0800, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Did I write B+H? What I was thinking about? I have never been smoker... Thanks for your response, Bob. - Mensaje original De: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para:

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:11:05PM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: How does one know that a compressed RAW file is actually lossless? Over at dpreview, Steve (apparently the first kid on the block with a K10D) has posted a DNG file taken at ISO 1600 here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zsdg52

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:11:05PM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: How does one know that a compressed RAW file is actually lossless? Over at dpreview, Steve (apparently the first kid on the block with a K10D) has posted a DNG file taken at ISO 1600 here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zsdg52

Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
One further point - at present I believe the only way to get a compressed DNG is using software on your computer; the in-camera DNG is uncompressed. Well, that's interesting. It really was a 6 mb DNG file. I double check such things considering the speed of my dial-up connection. Thanks for

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Adam Maas
One thing to remember is that a RAW file only has 16 (*istD with the padded RAW format) or 12 bits per pixel, while the subsequent TIFF will have 48 bits per pixel (16 bits per channel). The D's TIFF output is only 8 bits per channel (24 bits per pixel). So a 8 bit TIFF should be roughly 50$

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Adam Maas
Joseph Tainter wrote: One further point - at present I believe the only way to get a compressed DNG is using software on your computer; the in-camera DNG is uncompressed. Well, that's interesting. It really was a 6 mb DNG file. I double check such things considering the speed of my

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:53:05PM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: One further point - at present I believe the only way to get a compressed DNG is using software on your computer; the in-camera DNG is uncompressed. Well, that's interesting. It really was a 6 mb DNG file. I double check

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread ann sanfedele
nice one, Paul I like to mood, the realness of it ann Paul Stenquist wrote: The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5222820size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Ann. And thanks to all others who commented. Paul On Nov 18, 2006, at 11:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: nice one, Paul I like to mood, the realness of it ann Paul Stenquist wrote: The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th:

Re: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, John Francis wrote: I'm sure it was. It's just that almost certainly* this isn't exactly how it came out of the camera - at the very least it's been run through some piece of software (such as the Adobe DNG converter) which can read an uncompressed DNG and write out the

RE: Lossless Compressed RAW?

2006-11-18 Thread Rod Connan
The user stated that it was 'straight from the camera' and there was comment that the DNG compression was one of the reasons for the late appearance of the firmware. Seems the camera is producing compressed DNG :) Rod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PESO: November Morning Coffee

2006-11-18 Thread Doug Brewer
On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The DA 16-45 on the *ist D. 16mm, ISOI 400, f4.5 @ 1/60th: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5222820size=lg cool. the guy at the counter is wearing a crown. Doug Brewer http://www.drivingtheflies.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss