Re: Series of PESOs from our vacation in Holland

2013-11-05 Thread Bulent Celasun
I liked Galia's Geometry of Maas most; a solid composition. A bit more contrast may make it punchier, I believe. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.

Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:48:17PM -0500, knarf wrote: > I know, I know. > > I think North America was the only place they were called Miatas. Everywhere > else they were always MX-5s (which latest gens are now called here). > > And first generation Miatas were called girl cars here. Pretty cram

Series of PESOs from our vacation in Holland

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! After this link: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/search/label/Vacation_2013 You would find a 10 PESOs (9 of which are x3) from our trip to Holland/Germany/Belgium this year. I don't think my photos hold any particular interest, but we've also chosen photos by Anat and by Galia, so you m

Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-05 Thread knarf
I know, I know. I think North America was the only place they were called Miatas. Everywhere else they were always MX-5s (which latest gens are now called here). And first generation Miatas were called girl cars here. Pretty cramped for the average North American male and underpowered they were

Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:33:39PM +1300, David Mann wrote: > On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:53 pm, knarf wrote: > > > First gen Miata is still my fave. So tiny and pretty. > > Funny... They're called the MX-5 here and seem to be mostly owned by > middle-aged women. They are the MX-5 everyplace, called

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Darren, the article you generalized from relates to Nikon D300. This would be two full generations ago in terms of camera sensors technology. Have a look here: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nikon-d4-digital-slr-sample-photos-18753 Looks usable to me. Of course there is a trick here - if you

Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-05 Thread David Mann
On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:53 pm, knarf wrote: > First gen Miata is still my fave. So tiny and pretty. Funny... They're called the MX-5 here and seem to be mostly owned by middle-aged women. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Up There

2013-11-05 Thread David Mann
On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:51 pm, knarf wrote: > I have discovered that sometimes colour helps bring the subject out of the > background. This might be one such case. A similar black and white rendering > of a similar shot had the subject lost in the trees: > > http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
I agree with you both. However, disguised or not - the fact that I don't have to remember UX/UI specifics of each camera in order to set ISO or exposure compensation, but rather use self-explanatory dials has its appeal. On 11/5/2013 10:45 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree with you that 'pure photograp

Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-05 Thread knarf
First gen Miata is still my fave. So tiny and pretty. :-) Cheers, frank Larry Colen wrote: >The pictures are crap, but the subject of them has been bringing >me smiles since I got it last night: >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157637291417553/ > >My neighbor's daughter bought it,

PESO - Up There

2013-11-05 Thread knarf
I have discovered that sometimes colour helps bring the subject out of the background. This might be one such case. A similar black and white rendering of a similar shot had the subject lost in the trees: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/up-there.html?m=1 Not the sharpest shot but the

Re: moon shots

2013-11-05 Thread Stan Halpin
Sorry - I missed a word. I do have some not tests [PLANNED]. They are tomorrow's agenda. I don't have any yet. Other than what I've seen from Robb. stan On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > I'll see what I can do, but we are settling in for a long period of cloudy > weather here i

Re: moon shots

2013-11-05 Thread Stan Halpin
I'll see what I can do, but we are settling in for a long period of cloudy weather here in the upper Midwest. In the meantime I do have have some not tests the results of which I will share. stan On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > Driving home tonight, it looked like the moon and

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:41:28PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >> On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >> > >> ... "Now, every frame is meaningful again." > > > >Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. > > Good poin

Re: new toy - Saturday, Sears Point

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
Things just happened to align, I will be driving the new toy at Sears Point (Sonoma/Valejo/Novato) this weekend. If anyone wants to use that as an excuse to play with a telephoto lens, it would be nice to get some photos of the new car. I should also be able to take folks for rides in a few sess

moon shots

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
Driving home tonight, it looked like the moon and Venus will be very close in the sky tomorrow night. There may be a website that lists such conjuntions, but I don't know it. Also, I have long found the moon to be an excellent test subject. It's more interesting than a brick wall, and pretty con

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> ... "Now, every frame is meaningful again." > >Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. Good point! If I shoot large format every frame will cost even more! Surely my photos wil

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Matthew Hunt wrote: >On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bill wrote: > The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. >>> >>> higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the phot

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > I don't know what the camera pretends to be. I know Nikon marketing > teased everyone with the "pure photography" sequence, but i don't know > what "pure photography" is supposed to be anyway. I guess the romantic > notion of wandering around the Sc

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bill wrote: > On 04/11/2013 9:29 PM, Mark C wrote: >> >> 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the "free card" deal from B&W) >> show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how >> conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect ac

Re: Silver Limited Edition K-3 now IN STOCK at Adorama?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
Under-promise and over-deliver. A most refreshing new trend. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > http://www.adorama.com/IPXK3P.html > > Thought it wasn't coming for quite a while yet. > > -- > Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> ... "Now, every frame is meaningful again." > > Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. That's the sort of meaningful thing that made me give up s

Re: I don't test cameras

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 11:19:59AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: > You've just cost me a lot of money Mr Robb. Did Robb rob Rob? > > > On 5 November 2013 14:39, Bill wrote: > > With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing > > pleasure: > > > > WARNING: 12MP PAGE >

Re: I don't test cameras

2013-11-05 Thread Rob Studdert
You've just cost me a lot of money Mr Robb. On 5 November 2013 14:39, Bill wrote: > With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing > pleasure: > > WARNING: 12MP PAGE > > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html > > Don't crank at me if your bro

Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 6 November 2013 00:51, Darren Addy wrote: > I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF > ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. Yeah, it's a bit steep, buying the #2 body would hurt. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-

Silver Limited Edition K-3 now IN STOCK at Adorama?

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
http://www.adorama.com/IPXK3P.html Thought it wasn't coming for quite a while yet. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and fol

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
The size of dng files varies with complexity, including noise. Paul via phone > On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 05/11/2013 9:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the "free card" deal from B&W) >>>

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On Nov 5, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > ... "Now, every frame is meaningful again." Shoot with a Polaroid SX-70 for a while. Every frame means another $3 spent. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from t

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bill wrote: >>> The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 >>> MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones. >> >> >> higher ISO = more noise = more detail to save in the photo = bigger file. >> > I shoot

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Zos Xavius
There is a preview jpeg saved at a low quality setting embedded. That is what raw converters use to give you thumbnails when you import. I also think the preview you see on the camera is also the embedded jpeg, but I could be wrong. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Bill wrote: > On 05/11/2013 9:14

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yup, I agree completely that Thom lost the plot with that statement. >They're selling four different full-frame bodies - why would they >*not* want them to be very different and therefore appeal to different >kinds of customers? I'm sorry, yo

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bill
On 05/11/2013 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? If it wasn't complicated the people who buy it would feel ripped off. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listin

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Bill
On 05/11/2013 9:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill wrote: 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the "free card" deal from B&W) show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual fi

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 03:55:39PM -0600, Darren Addy wrote: > "Pure Photography" indeed: > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYVYn_CCMAAMSMs.jpg:large Very cute, but it misses the point entirely. If all you care about is the experience of taking photos, grab your Nikon F3, Leica M4, Pentax LX, or wh

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Bill
On 04/11/2013 10:45 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/5/2013 12:48 AM, Bill wrote: On 03/11/2013 10:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: However I think I should be starting my own thread now. My gift to you, my dear friend Let me present you with a thread to call your own. bill Anything I said

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
Okay, now where are the folks who complained about the Ricoh/Pentax ad for the K-3 where the fashion photographer looked scripted? "Now, every frame is meaningful again." Ho-lee-fuck. Gag me with a silver ring enhanced 50mm/f:1.8. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >

Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-05 Thread Margus Männik
The loudness of the K-3 shutter is almost the same as K-5, but it sounds a bit different. Nothing metallic, nothing unpleasant, the tone is just a little bit higher. BR, Margus On 11/4/2013 12:50, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and th

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote: >On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the >>plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities >>between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. >> >>Favorite quote: "T

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:14, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W wrote: >> >> Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. >> >> B > > omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? > Hoots, mon! No, the noo! And I would never dream of stereotyping our russet compad

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:12, "Steve Cottrell" wrote: > > On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> His bollocks are utter. > > This any better? > > > > ;-) > Por lo menos non dice cazzate ed e un fotografo, as we say quando no parliamo ita

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:10, "Steve Cottrell" wrote: > > On 5/11/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: > I'd like to apologise for this thread. >>> >>> Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up >> >> We are the knights who say, "knit!" > > > More purls of wisdom! > Beautiful looma

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, >farting silently with a poetic look on my face. Bloody hell - so just the change of location then for you! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob W wrote: > > In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting > silently with a poetic look on my face. > > B Ach. Now I know you're not a Scot. Farting silently is against the law. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.n

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W wrote: > > Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. > > B omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the l

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >His bollocks are utter. This any better? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> I'd like to apologise for this thread. >> >> Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up > >We are the knights who say, "knit!" More purls of wisdom! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pd

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
"Pure Photography" indeed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYVYn_CCMAAMSMs.jpg:large On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Bob W wrote: > I agree with you that 'pure photography' doesn't need all those things. The > Leica Ms are the closest digital cameras I know of that come close to > so-called pure

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Attila Boros
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Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM, wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" > Subject: Re: Boris' Thread > >> I'd like to apologise for this thread. > > Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up We are the knights who say, "knit!" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread kwaller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" Subject: Re: Boris' Thread I'd like to apologise for this thread. Gee, I thought you had it all sewn up -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O)

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread kwaller
Love it - "every frame is meaningful again" - LOL I wounder if this would qualify for a MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" Subject: Just for Bob -- Cheers

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
I agree with you that 'pure photography' doesn't need all those things. The Leica Ms are the closest digital cameras I know of that come close to so-called pure photography, but even they still have too much clutter. B > On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:40, "Dario Bonazza" wrote: > > I also wrote 'for be

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
I also wrote 'for being the camera it pretends to be', i.e. pure photography (whatever that mean). I think pure photography does not need customizable function buttons, program modes, multi-pattern metering, two different ways for setting shutter speeds, front & rear dials, multiple drive modes,

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting silently with a poetic look on my face. B > On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:15, Bob W wrote: > > It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd > see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. T

Re: Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
On 5 Nov 2013, at 16:05, "Steve Cottrell" wrote: > > > His bollocks are utter. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and f

Re: GESO: Okains Bay

2013-11-05 Thread David Mann
Thanks, Chris... and Bob, Jack and Darren. It definitely is sleepy even by NZ standards but I think it gets busy in the holiday season with the camping ground near the beach. The only tourist attraction is the museum which is quite small but has a very good range of Maori artefacts on display.

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B > On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, "Dario Bonazza" wrote: > > A

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
Someone needs to write the video game: angry glaswegians. Bob W wrote: >On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John wrote: >> >> "Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think >the >> target market is much less than half the average age of this list. >> >> It's a camera for young, hip

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Bob W
On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John wrote: > > "Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the > target market is much less than half the average age of this list. > > It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the > Scottish countryside looking for dram

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
That's "expanded ISO", which is pretty worthless in reality. Pentax K-5ii: Manual: 100-12800 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps), expandable to ISO 80-51200, Bulb mode up to ISO 1600 Pentax K-3: Auto: ISO 100-51200 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps), Auto ISO range selectable, Bulb mode: Auto ISO n/a; Manual: 100-51200 (1, 1/2,

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:03:51AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: > Chris Mitchell wrote: > > >On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: > >> Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the > >> camera it pretends to be? > >> Dario > >> > >Me too. The top looks beyond ret

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df it says that ISO does go to 204,800, so at least I can read :-). On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesd

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
I thought those two settings between H1 and H4 were 1/3 steps, like the ones among previous ISO settings. If so, H4 is 51,200. If Bors is right (no 1/3 steps among H settings), then H1 should be 25,600, (unmarked) H2 should be 51,200, (unmarked) H3 should be 102,400 and H4 should be 204,800.

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
If H4 is 51200 then my response to Rick was incorrect. I stand corrected. On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Me

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Rick, if you apply some settings, it will go all the way to ISO 204,800. I think it would be H4 on ISO dial. This is at least how I understand what I've been reading on the net. On 11/5/2013 8:27 PM, Richard Womer wrote: 16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) max

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Cotty, think of it as of Leica Monochrom of DSLR world... On 11/5/2013 8:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Darren, in its current lineup Nikon offers the following full frame cameras listed in order of increasing price according to Adorama: D600, D610, D800, D800e, Df, D3x, and D4 Additionally you could buy D600, D3 and D3x refurbished. It appears to me that Nikon has the most complete line of full

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Richard Womer
16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: > Kenneth Waller wrote: > >> No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue >> is the images it produces. > >

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Dario, I think this is a very dandy camera. On 11/5/2013 4:21 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Am

Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Boris Liberman
I shoot 100% hand-held. That is, I don't use tripod. It seems logical to me that the additional degree of sharpness and/or resolution provided by lack of AA filter is negligible compared to the effects caused by hand-held shooting. Although if you shoot mostly with tripod, then it would make s

Re: SV: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: > >Here's a 1:1 crop of the same boid. >Is it possible to confirm species based on this? >http://tinyurl.com/RedTailHawk4Jack No but I can see a couple of nails in its legs. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,

Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes, really quiet, probably more so than the K-5 or K-5IIs. The AF beep is different as well... almost like a Blue Jay (for Brooksie). On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Bill wrote: > On 04/11/2013 4:50 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >> Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5I

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the >plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities >between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. > >Favorite quote: "The Df very well may be the fir

Re: PESO - Working High

2013-11-05 Thread George Sinos
John You have sharp eyes. Now that you point out that lower pipe I see what they were doing. I wish I were witty enough to have thought of the pun. I noticed it about 2 seconds after typing the "passing the pipe" caption and decided to let it stand. Maybe it was subconscious. gs George Sinos

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 5/11/13, John, discombobulated, unleashed: > a trip to Scotland... are you sure? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Vi

Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
I'd like to apologise for this thread. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller wrote: >No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue >is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. -Original Message- >From: Dario Bonazza >Subject: Re: Nikon Df > >Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the >camera it pretends to be? >Dario > >On Tue,

Re: PESO - Working High

2013-11-05 Thread John
It looks like they're installing a drain pipe. Just to the left of the platform in the "Passing the pipe" image looks like where the end is going to fit into the lower pipe & you can see the attachment points above it on the wall. In the "Just another day at work" image you can see a similar dra

Just for Bob

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
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Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Chris Mitchell wrote: >On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the >> camera it pretends to be? >> Dario >> >Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of "put >everything on clicky dials that you can" has be

Re: GESO: Okains Bay

2013-11-05 Thread Chris Mitchell
That looks sleepy even by NZ standards! Some lovely shots. Shame it's so far away. One day maybe... Chris On 5 November 2013 04:34, David Mann wrote: > A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after > our visit to Akaroa. > > http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/

Re: I don't test cameras

2013-11-05 Thread John
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Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the > camera it pretends to be? > Dario > Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of "put everything on clicky dials that you can" has been followed to the extreme and

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread John
"Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the target market is much less than half the average age of this list. It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the Scottish countryside looking for dramatic light is romantic and not as Godfrey says "co

Re: PESO Yellow Rain

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
A lovely fall scene, Paul. This is one, though, where the nearly infinite DoF of the tiny sensor camera works against the image. I'd have preferred more soft oof contrast in the background to allow the foreground falling leaves to stand out. Nonetheless, quite pleasant! On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:4

Re: I don't test cameras

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
> I don't test cameras Fortunately for us, you do a very reasonable facsimile. :) THAT is impressive. Very steenkin' impressive. I believe that on For Sale Friday I will be listing a kidney, priced to sell quickly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/

Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Bill wrote: > On 04/11/2013 6:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C >> down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have >> qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think

Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread John
It's the next thing to $3000 with the kit lens. I think I could find a way to pay that much for an honest-to-god Digital LX with a FA50/1.4. The only flaw I really see in it is it doesn't take K-mount lenses. On 11/5/2013 8:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked pric

Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
Thank you very much, Darren and Mark. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > That's superb, Bruce! > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Mark C wrote: >> Excellent lighting, great portrait. Lots of character! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On 11/2/2013 8:50 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> An

Re: I don't test cameras

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Walker
I very much appreciate your non test, Bill. I agree that that completely dispels any worries about possible ISO inadequacies. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Bill wrote: > With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your viewing > pleasure: > > WARNING: 12MP PAGE > > http:/

Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-05 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 4, 2013, at 21:44 , Bill wrote: >> 8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the "free card" deal from B&W) >> show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how >> conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file >> storage to be much higher. > The fi

Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
Tom is right. I stand corrected. Overstock.com is legit but the similarly named overstockdigital.com is not. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tom C wrote: >> From: Darren Addy >> >> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF >> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the

Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Tom C
> From: Darren Addy > > I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF > ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. > Are you sure about that? I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, P&S) on overstock.com at the moment. There's over

Re: OT - Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
The quote that is best from this review of the DF: "We're not entirely convinced this will offer a fast and fluid shooting experience with the camera to your eye" And this is where Pentax has room to surpass Nikon in the retro-design. Imagine a camera that captures the looks of the original MX or

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Darren Addy
I think what it is claiming to be is a camera for "old school" shooters who don't need the camera to do everything but cook them breakfast in the morning. So, in that sense I think it is purposely "complicated". It sure doesn't match the K-3 in hardly any category other than being a full frame sen

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
might be nice to use, but it sure isn't "pretty" … looks like a modern retro Camaro: it has some of the line, but it's all bloated and festooned with gee-gaws. To my eye, the chrome is particularly ugly looking. or rather, "industrial faux". but if it works right and is good in the hands, it co

Re: Nikon Df

2013-11-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tu

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