On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:53:22PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
On the flip side, I don't know why image processing software can't bin the
smaller pixels, when resolution isn't needed, to produce the same effect
as larger pixels.
On Dec 13, 2012, at 10:17 AM, John Francis wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:53:22PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
On the flip side, I don't know why image processing software can't bin the
smaller pixels, when resolution isn't needed, to
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:07:33PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
I expect that normal downsizing is usually with some sort of boxcar filter,
where the data is simply averaged, rather than analyzed for anomalous spikes
and such.
It's usually a bit more sophisticated than that - even PS
On Dec 10, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/10/2012 5:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
But there's a tradeoff, as pixel density contributes to noise. The
K-5 sensor is still one of the most highly rated in the camera biz. I
wouldn't trade low-noise at high ISO for
If I had money I would not switch systems. I might buy a Fuji x100
or x1 Pro, or were I flush with funds might buy an M9, but those
would supplement my dslr, not replace.
Frank, I should (semi-jocularly) warn you that if you try Fuji x1 Pro
or x100 you may (like me) pass the point of
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on the sensor, in other words its effect
being the same regardless of the pixel count, why would the end result
be worse for a higher resolution
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on the sensor, in other words its effect
being the same regardless
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on the sensor, in other words its effect
being the same regardless of the pixel count, why would
On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on the sensor, in other words its
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on the sensor, in other words its effect
being the
That should have been:
and all the other shooting conditions, ISO, aperture, and
shutter speed playing a LARGE factor.
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On 12/10/2012 10:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's
On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is actually
affecting what's projected on
On 12/10/2012 2:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2012 3:34 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but since diffraction is
On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
On the flip side, I don't know why image processing software can't bin the
smaller pixels, when resolution isn't needed, to produce the same effect as
larger pixels. Arguably, equivalent noise and higher resolution by being
better able
On 10/12/2012 9:13 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
I will have to bow to the knowledge of pixel peepers and mathematicians.
I am but a simple photographer who neither pixel peeps nor can add past
nine with his shoes on.
I never realized you were missing a
I am but a simple photographer who neither pixel peeps nor can add past
nine with his shoes on.
Yo, MARK !
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Subject: Re: Cameras and Photography
On 10
On 12/10/2012 5:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
But there's a tradeoff, as pixel density contributes to noise. The
K-5 sensor is still one of the most highly rated in the camera biz. I
wouldn't trade low-noise at high ISO for more detail. Perhaps others
would, but the K-5 works well for me as is.
On 6/12/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Never has been, for me. I care deeply what equipment I use, but brand
name is the last reason I'd ever give for wanting a particular piece
of equipment. If one brand doesn't make what I am looking for, well, I
just look elsewhere.
Agreed.
On 6/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
I find that drinking certainly helps when it comes time to read the PDML.
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On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Tom C wrote:
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Now everywhere I can hear them talking about stuff like growth or
doubling the sales in 2013. I'm hearing they hired back RD engineers,
to make up for those fired by Hoya. They have 2-years
All your questions can be answered by three simple words. Because they
can.
On 12/9/2012 6:07 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Tom C wrote:
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Now everywhere I can hear them talking about stuff like growth or
doubling
Most of the current entry level APS-C DSLRs are 16-18 Megapixels. The
new Nikon D3200 is 24 Megapixels.
For the most part it's marketing. Most consumers will never know the
difference. Most won't make anything bigger than an occasional 8x10,
if they print at all. Those that crop their photos
Larry, you wonder why more megapixels? I appreciate your analysis of pixel
size, diffraction issues, etc. (really, I do), but I think you missed the key
underlying element: it is all a conspiracy between the camera vendors and
manufacturers of hard drive storage units.
You also say ...I also
~Amongst~ your exceptions are...
;-)
cheers,
frank
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On 6/12/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Never has been
Larry, you wonder why more megapixels? I appreciate your analysis of
pixel size, diffraction issues, etc. (really, I do), but I think you
missed the key underlying element: it is all a conspiracy between the
camera vendors and manufacturers of hard drive storage units.
You also say ...I
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~Amongst~ your exceptions are...
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I can see it now ... new advertising campaign
Buy NEW! [insert brand name and model here]
It's got all the stuff your old camera has and nothing else.
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On 12/7/2012 6:36 PM, Tom C wrote:
Well if you want to get technical about it Boris... :)
Well, it is my hobby, so I'd rather we did not go too technical, if you
catch my drift here, Tom...
It's my opinion that what we see with Pentax right now, in their lack
of new
On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Tom,
You've mentioned 24 MP a few times. How large are you printing that you need
24MP?
Larry, Larry, Larry, LARRY! Don't take the phun out of photography. :)
Don't be silly, the image quality of the gear
On 09/12/2012 5:07 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
In other words, with an AA filter, a 24MP APS-C lens will definitely be
diffraction limited by f/8.0. Without an AA filter, assuming that the lens is
sharp enough, diffraction is probably having an effect by f/4 or f/5.6.
Some people treat a
On 09/12/2012 12:03 PM, Bob W wrote:
That's why I have a Lear jet parked in front of my house, but cycle to work.
My father used to do work for a Canadian Government sponsored group
called CESO, which stood for Canadian Executive Service Organization.
The group's mandate, in a nutshell,
A couple of thoughts...
There are people who go the other way too, so it isn't a one-way
street out of Pentax Town. For example, this 35 year Nikon user who
switched to Pentax with the K-5:
http://pentaxworld.com/forum/introduce-yourself/recent-emigrant-from-nikon/
It seems that the expression
On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:16 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 09/12/2012 5:07 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
In other words, with an AA filter, a 24MP APS-C lens will definitely be
diffraction limited by f/8.0. Without an AA filter, assuming that the lens
is sharp enough, diffraction is probably having an
On 10 December 2012 12:31, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Secondly, people throw out figures (like 2% market share) and people
take it as gospel. No source was sited. Well, I can't refind my
sources either, but when Ricoh bought Pentax I saw a stat that said
that Pentax/Ricoh would
Of what market, Rob? Worldwide? Just Europe? Just Japan? All digital
photography segments? Just DSLR?
It has been said before, but statistics are like bikinis. What they
show you is revealing, but what they hide is vital. Projected
statistics of the future? Pretty much worthless, in my book.
On 10 December 2012 13:00, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Of what market, Rob? Worldwide? Just Europe? Just Japan? All digital
photography segments? Just DSLR?
Total market share all cameras
It has been said before, but statistics are like bikinis. What they
show you is revealing,
I think Rob was jesting. Tee hee!
Paul Stenquist
On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Of what market, Rob? Worldwide? Just Europe? Just Japan? All digital
photography segments? Just DSLR?
It has been said before, but statistics are like bikinis. What they
On 10 December 2012 13:15, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I think Rob was jesting. Tee hee!
Wish I was.
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You've mentioned 24 MP a few times. How large are you printing that
you need 24MP?
Also, what APS-C camera has that resolution? 4000x6000 pixels, on a
16x24mm sensor, that gives 4um on a side for a pixel. Using the
diffraction calculator at:
Gosh, I am at severe disadvantage here...
On 12/9/2012 12:04 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
On 6/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
I find that drinking certainly helps when it comes time to read the PDML.
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On 12/8/2012 7:11 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
If I had money I would not switch systems. I might buy a Fuji x100 or
x1 Pro, or were I flush with funds might buy an M9, but those would
supplement my dslr, not replace.
Frank, I should (semi-jocularly) warn you that if you try Fuji x1
On 12/8/2012 7:01 PM, Tom C wrote:
The low end of the PS compact market is dying due to camera phones.
How can you sell a camera if they're essentially being given away with
cell phones to people who largely find that quality 'good enough'?
I think the situation is more grim actually. You see,
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb
On 09/12/2012 12:03 PM, Bob W wrote:
That's why I have a Lear jet parked in front of my house, but cycle
to work.
My father used to do work for a Canadian Government sponsored group
called CESO, which stood for
From: Darren Addy
Interestingly, Subaru has just about always had a 2% market share and
I haven't heard anybody suggest that they are dying. I guess one's
perspective depends a bit on what is in their garage.
: )
I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm not sure Subaru's consistent 2%
market
From: Tom C
A Nikon D800E with Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.4G SIC SW Prime Nikkor Lens and
Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 SP. I still need at least one wide angle
prime and probably a 24-70 zoom. I honestly haven't had the time yet
to evaluate it much since I'm traveling weekly and the NEX-7 is so
Hello,
Comments interlined below.
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
They're really only competing in the APS-C arena and that's about it.
The 645D is just about out of everyone's price range including mine.
Was it ever relevant?
The 645D is definitely relevant,
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced. Not
looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of value
performance Pentax should meet or exceed.
As have I
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At 10:27 AM -0500 12/8/12, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced. Not
looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of value
performance Pentax
I shoot with Pentax and Nikon DSLRs. They give good results and feel
good in my hands. There two brands are similar in many ways. Each
has it's qualities for different applications. I'm blessed to be able
to have both. If I could only have one, either would serve well.
When I teach, I always
Frankly, Pentax has been dying ever since I joined PDML in 2001.
At various times over the years, on this list, a *majority* would complain
and/or felt it was in serious trouble (the lack of a new camera for years,
company buy outs, etc. A minority always complained.) And some would dump
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On 8 December 2012 17:39, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not to say you can't go out and buy a Pentax system today and
produce great images you'll be happy with. You can. It all depends
where you're at, what you want, and what you can or
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced.
Not looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of
value performance Pentax should meet or exceed.
I agree John, but I;m willing to go a bit lower. They they
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Hello,
Comments interlined below.
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
They're really only competing in the APS-C arena and that's about it.
The 645D is just about out of everyone's price range including
On 12/8/2012 8:08 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Darren Addy
Interestingly, Subaru has just about always had a 2% market share and
I haven't heard anybody suggest that they are dying. I guess one's
perspective depends a bit on what is in their garage.
: )
I've tried to stay out of this, but
From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com
I shoot with Pentax and Nikon DSLRs. They give good results and feel
good in my hands. There two brands are similar in many ways. Each
has it's qualities for different applications. I'm blessed to be able
to have both. If I could only have one, either
On 12/8/2012 8:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Tom C
A Nikon D800E with Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.4G SIC SW Prime Nikkor Lens and
Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 SP. I still need at least one wide angle
prime and probably a 24-70 zoom. I honestly haven't had the time yet
to evaluate it much since I'm
On 12/8/2012 11:35 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced.
Not looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of
value performance Pentax should meet or exceed.
I agree John, but I;m
Hello, again,
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Hello,
Comments interlined below.
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
They're really only competing in the APS-C arena and
it feels like people - oh never mind. I'm just going to
enjoy taking pictures and stop worrying...
:-)
cheers,
frank
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Frankly, Pentax has been dying ever since I
On 9 December 2012 03:24, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
LOL. Plus you need a bit more than I because of needing a backup body
identical to the first... or do you? Not spending your money for
you... what if you bought one body and lens complement, and then
waited until the next upgrade? Your
From: David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced. Not
looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of value
performance Pentax should meet or exceed.
As have I
From: Steve Sharpe
At 10:27 AM -0500 12/8/12, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced. Not
looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of value
From: Tom C
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Hello,
Comments interlined below.
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
They're really only competing in the APS-C arena and that's about it.
The 645D is just about out of everyone's price range
From: P. J. Alling
On 12/8/2012 11:35 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
I've been looking at the Nikon D600 off and on since it was announced.
Not looking to switch brands, but it provides a minimum standard of
value performance Pentax should meet or exceed.
I agree
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com
Now everywhere I can hear them talking about stuff like growth or
doubling the sales in 2013. I'm hearing they hired back RD engineers,
to make up for those fired by Hoya. They have 2-years roadmaps
totaling 8 K-mount lenses + 1 TC, 4
I am not sure what you are disagreeing with, but nevermind.
I did say, For such a morbid brand, Pentax's continued existence is
rather amazing.
I remember when people on this list said that they'd never use digital,
they were all about film (when they thought Pentax would stick with film).
On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
I write this because I believe, really believe, that Pentax is a dead brand.
So, what prompted this rant about Pentax? I seriously doubt that the cat
peed in your Wheaties
I like Pentax because my pictures get better when I like the tool I'm using.
And also, my pictures get a lot better when I bring a camera. Which is why I
wouldn't but a large Nikon (and the small ones are for beginners).
I already have a Fujifilm x100 and would rather switch to the Fujifilm
:
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Cameras and Photography
Tom,
Your right, it's not about brand names. It's about images.
But don't overlook EASY in all this discussion.
I have/own these Pentax lenses.
I know how these Pentax cameras work.
I know how to get the images I want
Mark!
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snip
And also, my pictures get
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
I write this because I believe, really believe, that Pentax is a dead brand.
So, what prompted this
I understand exactly where you're coming from as well John, because
I've been there also.
I understand where you're coming from Tom, but I don't necessarily agree with
much of it. I don't
see my Pentax kit as an investment of any sort. Most of it has been collected
second-hand, and got
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
I write this because I believe, really believe, that Pentax is a dead brand.
So, what prompted this rant about Pentax? I seriously doubt that the cat
peed in your Wheaties this morning.
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From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
Tom, I rather submit to the court that Pentax brand is not dead. In
fact, I can hardly point out a brand that is truly dead. Well, I mean
among those who were established in the last 30-40 years. Even venerable
Contax (with their revolutionary
: Cameras and Photography
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
I write this because I believe, really believe, that Pentax is a dead
brand.
So, what prompted this rant about Pentax? I seriously doubt that the cat
peed in your Wheaties this morning
From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
What Bob and John said.
Whether Pentax is a dead brand remains to be seen. Ricoh has been
producing cameras for decades without ever threatening the big brands.
They seem to be pretty adept at niche marketing and presumably they
make enough
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:20 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
It was prompted by his purchase of a Nikon. He's now defending his choice.
Strange you should say that Paul, considering you brought up the 'N'
word, not me.
Tom C.
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I will add, somewhat contentiously, that lugging around a friend's D7000 for
a couple of hours made me even happier with my K-5.
Rick
You piqued my interest. It seems like a splitting of hairs.
Weight difference: 40 G or about 1.4 ounces. Size
99.9% of the time, Pentax is good enough for me.
I have a happy oddball collection of lenses, some going back to 1979 when I
started with the brand, and they all continue to work great.
The only time I get frustrated (nearly ANGRY) is when I attempt to do anything
flash-related.
K-7 with an
Charles, this is off-topic for the thread (like that never happens!),
but I think there's a good chance that your flash-toting pros are
going manual on the flash and camera and spot-metering for exposure.
That club situation is a real toughy for anybody's flash to get right
or consistent in full
: Cameras and Photography
99.9% of the time, Pentax is good enough for me.
I have a happy oddball collection of lenses, some going back to 1979 when I
started with the brand, and they all continue to work great.
The only time I get frustrated (nearly ANGRY) is when I attempt to do anything
flash
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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 12:48 PM
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99.9% of the time, Pentax is good enough for me.
I have a happy oddball collection of lenses
On 7 December 2012 09:57, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote:
THROW BRAND NAME OUT THE WINDOW!
It's a good old name, that's why Ricoh bought it I suppose, hope it
wasn't a bad decision ;)
Stop thinking (like me) that because you've been mostly or 100%
Pentax, that you're confined to a brand.
Interestingly, Subaru has just about always had a 2% market share and
I haven't heard anybody suggest that they are dying. I guess one's
perspective depends a bit on what is in their garage.
: )
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On 06/12/2012 11:23 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Tom, I rather submit to the court that Pentax brand is not dead.
Hoya, as hard as they tried, couldn't kill the brand. Ricoh didn't buy
the name so that they could off it either. I'm not too worried about
whether or not in 10 years I'll be able
On 07/12/2012 9:35 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Be honest with yourselves. I think Pentax has been, for the last 20
years, the bargain brand. That's why I joined .
You say that like it is a bad thing. What you call bargain I call
bang-for-the-buck
You are arguing semantics while saying exactly
On Dec 7, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Tom C wrote:
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
I write this because I believe, really believe, that Pentax is a dead brand.
So, what prompted this rant about Pentax? I seriously doubt that the cat
peed in
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From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Cameras and Photography
From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
I will add, somewhat contentiously, that lugging around a friend's D7000 for
a couple of hours made me even
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
... I am quite certain that what I buy from Pentax in a decade will be
eerily similar to what I could buy from Nikon next week..
William Robb
In a nutshell, that gradual realization is what has finally prompted
me to change brands.
It's not a
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
At this point, I'm pretty much completely lost. I don't know what you have,
and whether or not you enjoy it. Your post sort of
came across as halfway between stream of consciousness and whinging.
I have streams of consciousness occasionally Larry... :)
On 8 December 2012 17:39, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not to say you can't go out and buy a Pentax system today and
produce great images you'll be happy with. You can. It all depends
where you're at, what you want, and what you can or are willing to
spend. That's different for each
Friends don't let friends drink and post to PDML.
: )
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote:
THROW BRAND NAME OUT THE WINDOW!
Stop thinking (like me) that because you've been mostly or 100%
Pentax, that you're confined to a brand. That's not true!
Why do you
For me, it was value at the outset. My K-x offered more of what I wanted
at a better price than any of the competing models.
And, since then, I've grown to love using old manual lenses. Pentax
makes sense for me.
If it were about the name for me, I'd have saved up a little longer and
gotten
At 5:06 PM -0600 12/6/12, Darren Addy wrote:
Friends don't let friends drink and post to PDML.
Mark!
: )
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote:
THROW BRAND NAME OUT THE WINDOW!
Stop thinking (like me) that because you've been mostly or 100%
Pentax, that
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote:
THROW BRAND NAME OUT THE WINDOW!
...
Why do you like photography?
Is it because you like to see things?
Is it because you like to share things?
...
Photography is not about brand name.
...
Never has been, for me. I care
own applies, I
think.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tom Cakalic
Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 8:57 AM
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Subject: Cameras and Photography
THROW BRAND NAME OUT THE WINDOW!
Stop
On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
Friends don't let friends drink and post to PDML.
But, I find that drinking certainly helps when it comes time to read the PDML.
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