RE: D1s review; a friendly rebuke to Mr. Rubinstein

2002-10-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 9 Oct 2002 at 17:29, Cameron Hood wrote: > We all share a common love, photography and gear, and are brought together > by the fact that we use Pentax stuff, which is, was, and always will be, > fabulous. Your MF gear will still be great when they introduce the 2 gig > chips. Film will not die

Re: D1s review; a friendly rebuke to Mr. Rubinstein

2002-10-09 Thread Brad Dobo
"vilified" like he's a poor innocent victim.hahahahaha Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: RE: D1s review; a friendly rebuk

RE: D1s review; a friendly rebuke to Mr. Rubinstein

2002-10-09 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Well, I'm not Rubinstein, but I think it's safe for me to speak for him. It was a piece of sarcasm, since I've been vilified for stating the things you did, which I happen to full agree with. B. RubEnstein From: Cameron Hood Branded by who? You? I would be worried and embarrased if it was anyo

RE: D1s review; a friendly rebuke to Mr. Rubinstein

2002-10-09 Thread Cameron Hood
lous! Just chill a bit Brucey; we love ya, man! Cameron Fellow Pentaxian > From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) > *Subject: RE: D1s review > *Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:25:27 -0700 > > > > You can&

Re: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Oct 2002 at 1:01, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > on 10.10.02 0:47, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Was a price ever announced by Pentax? As far as I can recall the only price > > that was mentioned was that published by the french mag (for got the name) > > based solely on the

Re: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 10.10.02 0:47, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Was a price ever announced by Pentax? As far as I can recall the only price > that was mentioned was that published by the french mag (for got the name) > based solely on the cost of a one off purchase of the Philips 6MP sensor + a > fu

Re: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 9 Oct 2002 at 13:52, Mark Roberts wrote: > "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- A 6MP DSLR would still be competitive today, two years after it was > >announced. > > But not at the price announced. As far as I can tell, the price of the > Philips/DALSA CCD hasn't come down so

Re: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
I don't buy this, for the following reasons: - Any company would have done a business case analysis before proceeding with the MZ-D prototypes, and we know they got far along before cancelling. Obviously there was a pricepoint that worked. - We're still buying non-autofocus A* lenses fer chri

RE: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
It's because Pentax can't make any money selling a DSLR. The amount of cost that would need to be amortized over the relatively short product life of a DSLR, and the small number of units that Pentax can sell would make the cost of the camera very high. There will be fewer manufacturers of i

Re: D1s review

2002-10-09 Thread Dan Scott
On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 07:38 PM, Cameron Hood wrote: I downloaded a jpeg from that camera, and printed it on my Epson 1270 on max rez at 11x14 with premium glossy and... Holy crap... It's pretty nice, isn't it? And Pentax hasn't even entered the fray. This is a MAJOR blunder by them.

RE: D1s review

2002-10-08 Thread Cameron Hood
I downloaded a jpeg from that camera, and printed it on my Epson 1270 on max rez at 11x14 with premium glossy and... Holy crap... I can see why there is a glut of used MF stuff on the market now. It is as good or better than the best of my 35mm stuff at that size. Clean as a whistle, not a pixe

Re: OT Digicam DRange (was OT: D1s review)

2002-09-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
For me, the biggest give away that something was shot with a direct to digital camera is that the image looks a little "flat". I'm not used to seeing so much detail in the highlights and shadows. To make things look more like film I apply a bit of a "S" curve with Curves in PS. Having the option t

OT Digicam DRange (was OT: D1s review)

2002-09-29 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Change of subject just in case the post got lost in the noise: > There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital > forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide, > and not print film when it come

Re: Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital > forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide, > and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the > highlights. It's easy to ch

RE: Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-27 Thread Rob Brigham
Shadow detail may be there but, from everything I have seen, it is full of SERIOUS noise. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 27 September 2002 02:18 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re[2]: OT: D1s review > > >

Re: Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital > forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide, > and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the > highlights. It's easy to ch

Re: Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital > forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide, > and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the > highlights. It's easy to ch

Re: OT: D1s review

2002-09-27 Thread Anthony Farr
It appears that in recent comparisons film has been downgraded from earlier estimates of either 70 or 40 megs (I recall both numbers at different times). There might be a confusion over capture resolution and resultant file size, and it would be helpful if the writers of these essays could be mor

RE: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread tom
tember 26, 2002 11:30 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: OT: D1s review > > > Probably poorly. > > At 10:59 AM 9/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >I'd like to see how well it performs at ISO 800 and above. > > > >tv > > > > > -Original

Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide, and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the highlights. It's easy to check the histogram in the camera to make sure. Shadow detai

Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Ryan, Aside from the inability on the web to really show things well (how were the files doctored for display at various sizes, etc), one huge factor for film is the ability to pick various types of films - wide latitude, narrow latitude, chromes, negs, various saturations, corrections for skin t

Re: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Mike, The one tricky thing about these comparisons is how much image manipulation the camera software is doing. Things like sharpening and contrast changes. It is very hard to do an apples to apples comparison. Expertly applied sharping can do wonders for an image especially as you size it up

Re: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread William Robb
> >From: "Ryan K. Brooks" > > > >I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is still a superior > >media after seeing these pictures. One of the great failings of this, imo, is that we see pictures from completely different mediums and think we are making a valid comparison. Unfortuna

RE: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Peter Alling
gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: OT: D1s review > > > > > > I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is > > still a superior > > media after seeing these pictures. > > > > -R > > > > > > Mike Ignatie

RE: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Mind you, he harps on about noise. I don't therefore understand why he didn't use a scanner with ICE? The digital cameras have automatic noise reduction in their software don't they, so why put the scans at a disadvantage? Also, he says that 4

RE: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Rob Brigham
Sorry, by ICE I meant ICE3 or more accurately GEM. > -Original Message- > From: Ryan K. Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > I've never found ICE to reduce all the noise... after all > there's noise > that comes from the film itself. I scan at 4000dpi on my SS120 and have > conclud

RE: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread tom
I'd like to see how well it performs at ISO 800 and above. tv > -Original Message- > From: Ryan K. Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: D1s review > > > I don't see h

Re[2]: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Mike Ignatiev
agree. money is definitely one of them :) mishka -Original Message- From: "Robert Soames Wetmore" Subject: Re: OT: D1s review > > >I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is still a >superior > >media after seeing these pictures. >

Re[2]: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Mike Ignatiev
hu, 26 Sep 2002 13:53:08 +0100 Subject: RE: D1s review > > Mind you, he harps on about noise. I don't therefore understand why he > didn't use a scanner with ICE? The digital cameras have automatic noise > reduction in their software don't they, so why put the sc

Re: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Rob Brigham wrote: >Mind you, he harps on about noise. I don't therefore understand why he >didn't use a scanner with ICE? The digital cameras have automatic noise >reduction in their software don't they, so why put the scans at a >disadvantage? Also, he says that 4000dpi is his perceived maxi

Re: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore
>I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is still a >superior >media after seeing these pictures. > >-R [Ryan K. Brooks] Maybe because there are considerations for some of us other than absolute image quality. Even if you don't agree, other perspectives shouldn't be inconceivable

RE: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Rob Brigham
#x27; slides, although I think provia is reasonably 'wide', so if the D1s can match that it aint bad. > -Original Message- > From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 26 September 2002 13:46 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: D1s review > >

Re: OT: D1s review

2002-09-26 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is still a superior media after seeing these pictures. -R Mike Ignatiev wrote: >http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/1ds/1ds-field.shtml > >A pretty impressive comparison 35mm vs 645 vs Canon D1s -- seems like D1s is a >undi