My folks had a german shepherd and so did one of my mom's co-workers.
The co-worker's shepherd liked water. She found it one day sitting in
the dishwater in the kitchen sink. This was bad enough, but it was
followed up by her drawing a bath later in the week. She found the
dog sitting in her bub
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:12 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Your wife fits in the kitchen sink, she must be quite petite.
She'll be pleased that you said so:-). In truth, she doesn't fit in the
kitchen sink any more. Although thirty-eight years ago when I remodeled the
bathroom in our bungalow, my wif
Your wife fits in the kitchen sink, she must be quite petite.
On 12/11/2010 8:44 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:22 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while
On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:22 AM, David Mann wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I
>>> got about 15 frames continuous.
>>
>> I guess that you
On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I
>> got about 15 frames continuous.
>
> I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the dog
I'm seeing around 24 at lowest ISO, on a sandisk extreme card.
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Probably missed it, but what is the affect on RAW image count after
insta
On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
> Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I
> got about 15 frames continuous.
I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the dog
getting a bath.
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--- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist wrote:
> From: paul stenquist
> Subject: Re: Firmware 1.01
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:26 AM
> Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while
tenquist wrote:
>
>> From: P N Stenquist
>> Subject: Re: Firmware 1.01
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>> Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:04 AM
>> I get long bursts of RAW images at
>> full throttle. Don't have an exact frame count, but seems
Thanks, Paul! Have you tried it with some higher sensitivity settings?
Jack
--- On Fri, 12/10/10, P N Stenquist wrote:
> From: P N Stenquist
> Subject: Re: Firmware 1.01
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:04 AM
> I get long burst
I get long bursts of RAW images at full throttle. Don't have an exact frame
count, but seems to be somewhere around 20.
Paul
On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> Probably missed it, but what is the affect on RAW image count after
> installing firmware 1.01?
> Any
Probably missed it, but what is the affect on RAW image count after installing
firmware 1.01?
Anyone.
Jack
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I discovered this when shooting my first night shots with my K100, and
again when shooting at night with my K10. It took at least as long to
'save' the image as it took to expose it in the first place. I found I
could turn the noise reduction off to save time in the field, but then
had to r
According to the K10 manual there's a "noise reduction" function with
the bulb setting. The manual doesn't tell you much beyond that, just
refers to the Custom Setting Menu.
All it says there is "Sets whether to use Noise Reduction in slow speed
shooting" and refers you back to the page for bu
I did quick trials and it seems my K10D will not do DFS in B mode at
30 seconds exposure.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> The K100, K10, and K20 (and I assume K-7) all have a special function (each
> a different number) to turn "Noise Reduction" 'ON', but not really off
The K100, K10, and K20 (and I assume K-7) all have a special function
(each a different number) to turn "Noise Reduction" 'ON', but not
really off, just changing under what circumstances it is used. The K20
may be the exception, (and maybe the K-7) as it allows NR to be turned
OFF when shoo
From: Miserere
2009/7/31 John Sessoms :
> From: "P. J. Alling"
>>
>> The camera automatically does a dark frame hot pixel noise reduction on
>> long time duration images. ?The dark frame is produced right after the long
>> exposure for the same amount of time to approximate the hot pixels that
The K-7 is reputed to do that. The K20, if I can believe the manual
will do that either whenever the camera thinks it's appropriate or every
time the exposure time is longer than 3/10 sec. my choice. I haven't
tried any really long exposures yet so I can't tell you for sure how bad
that is,
2009/7/31 John Sessoms :
> From: "P. J. Alling"
>>
>> The camera automatically does a dark frame hot pixel noise reduction on
>> long time duration images. The dark frame is produced right after the long
>> exposure for the same amount of time to approximate the hot pixels that will
>> light up fr
From: "P. J. Alling"
The camera automatically does a dark frame hot pixel noise reduction on
long time duration images. The dark frame is produced right after the
long exposure for the same amount of time to approximate the hot pixels
that will light up from the heat build up from the sensor b
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:17:10PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
>
> > Frankly it's for this reason, and the lower noise (especially at
> > really long exposure times) that pushed me toward the D700.
>
> Three guesses what I'd be doing if it weren't for all the lenses a
2009/7/30 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> David Savage wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> It'll be tough enough to explain to my boyfriend that - for the second*
> time in a few weeks - I'll be selling the camera I've begged to buy just
> days ago. :-/
>
> Ralf
Boyfriends suck.
Wives aren't that great, either.
Go
David Savage wrote:
> Frankly it's for this reason, and the lower noise (especially at
> really long exposure times) that pushed me toward the D700.
Three guesses what I'd be doing if it weren't for all the lenses and
accessories that could only be sold and bought again for another brand
with gr
2009/7/31 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Silly old me wrote:
>
>> No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
>> subtraction in B mode...
>
> Reports from people who've installed the new firmware suggest that
> they've raised the threshold for darkframe subtraction in B mode to 30
>
Silly old me wrote:
> No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
> subtraction in B mode...
Reports from people who've installed the new firmware suggest that
they've raised the threshold for darkframe subtraction in B mode to 30
secs. without any mention in the docs relati
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 06:37:37PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit:
> I understand that the K20D does a DFS for everything longer than 6 sec
> in any mode regardless of the ISO setting which again hints at serious
> trouble with this Samsung CMOS sensor.
Everything is tradeoffs.
Presumably be
It appears the K20 with V 1.03 of the firmware slow shutter speed noise
reduction gives you two options, 1. Auto, the camera decides when to
apply noise reduction; 2. On, noise reduction will be applied when the
shutter speed is > 3/10 second. There does seem to be no off position.
Weather th
Graydon wrote:
> I think that policy supports my "B could be used to take a really awful
> picture" theory; at high ISO (= pushing the sensor) and long exposure (=
> heat builds up), noise is a serious issue without DFS. So somebody at
> Pentax has enforced DFS for B mode, because the camera doe
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 06:05:25PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit:
> Graydon wrote:
> > Are you sure? I think I've seen auto-DFS with a 15s P mode
> > exposure. There may well be auto-DFS for all exposures above n
> > seconds, where n is around 12.
>
> Whether the camera does a DFS or not
AlunFoto wrote:
> 2009/7/30 Thibouille :
> > It is possible AFAIK but you have to know first how many exposure you
> > will need which isn't exactly a nice solution.
>
> Thibs, I'm quite maths-challenged, but if you know how long you want
> to keep the shutter open on the "B" setting, even I can
2009/7/30 Thibouille :
> It is possible AFAIK but you have to know first how many exposure you
> will need which isn't exactly a nice solution.
Thibs, I'm quite maths-challenged, but if you know how long you want
to keep the shutter open on the "B" setting, even I can work out how
many part-exposu
Graydon wrote:
> Are you sure? I think I've seen auto-DFS with a 15s P mode exposure.
> There may well be auto-DFS for all exposures above n seconds, where n is
> around 12.
Whether the camera does a DFS or not depends on time and ISO. It doesn't
at 30 sec and ISO 100 in M. It does, however, at
It is possible AFAIK but you have to know first how many exposure you
will need which isn't exactly a nice solution.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
> A thought just crossed my mind...
>
> Is it possible to use the multi-exposure to bypass DFS, or does the
> camera apply DFS betwe
A thought just crossed my mind...
Is it possible to use the multi-exposure to bypass DFS, or does the
camera apply DFS between each part-exposure?
Jostein
2009/7/30 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Graydon wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason to think that it is technically possible to fix this
>> issue with
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:42:32PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit:
> Graydon wrote:
> > Is there any reason to think that it is technically possible to fix this
> > issue with the current (K-7) or previous (K20D) generation 14.6 MP
> > Samsung sensors?
>
> This might be a problem for really
Graydon wrote:
> Is there any reason to think that it is technically possible to fix this
> issue with the current (K-7) or previous (K20D) generation 14.6 MP
> Samsung sensors?
This might be a öproblem for really long exposures.
At least they could let us shoot without DFS using shorter times
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:20:22AM -0400, Desjardins, Steve scripsit:
> Seriously, the more discussion we have about this the better the
> chance Pentax will fix it. The number of people bothered by the long
> exposure issue is going to be much smaller than the group that worries
> about picking a
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 AM, John Francis wrote:
> That makes the f-stop somewhere close to 3.3 by my calculation.
We have a winner.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 AM, John Francis wrote:
> That makes the f-stop somewhere close to 3.3 by my calculation.
We have a winner.
That's for "prime focus", where you just have the primary mirror in
the light path (plus some refractive corrective elements to improve
aberrations). If you d
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> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Desjardins, Steve wrote:
>
> >
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Desjardins, Steve wrote:
> OK, but I bet the bokeh sucks on th
Matthew Hunt wrote:
I find their lack of cryogens... disturbing.
Don't we all, brother, don't we all. :-)
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:57:19PM -0400, Matthew Hunt scripsit:
> I do, however, admit to minimal experience concerning night
> photography with DSLRs. I find their lack of cryogens... disturbing.
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Desjardins, Steve wrote:
> OK, but I bet the bokeh sucks on the Hale.
Yes, it's definitely "donut" bokeh, complete with obstructions from
the secondary supports. Furthermore, given its age, the mirror figure
is maintained by a mechanical system of springs and sli
William Robb wrote:
>
>As an aside, can a person do DFS after the fact by running a long exposure
>with the cap on and then inverting it and dropping it onto a long exposure
>picture?
Possibly. But I expect DFS is accomplished more effectively if it's
done before de-mosaicing of the Bayer patter
OK, but I bet the bokeh sucks on the Hale.
Steve Desjardins
On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:05 PM, "Matthew Hunt" wrote:
> 2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
>
>> I understand the astro people do something like this. Unfortunately
>> there aren't any around, for obvious reasons.
>
> Just for the record, I d
Matthew Hunt wrote:
> Just for the record, I do have a Ph.D. in astrophysics, with
> experience characterizing the performance of a then-new 48 megapixel
> mosaic CCD camera for the 200-inch Hale Telescope at Palomar
> Observatory, and adapting an image-processing pipeline for images from
> that
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> I understand the astro people do something like this. Unfortunately
> there aren't any around, for obvious reasons.
Just for the record, I do have a Ph.D. in astrophysics, with
experience characterizing the performance of a then-new 48 megapixel
mosaic CCD camera
Doug Brewer wrote:
> I don't do much nightscape photography, but I'd be interested in your
> impressions from doing so with the different cameras...
My K10D has just returned from a longer stay with the freshly outsourced
German Pentax service and I'm planning to do just that next weekend,
weath
William Robb wrote:
> As an aside, can a person do DFS after the fact by running a long exposure
> with the cap on and then inverting it and dropping it onto a long exposure
> picture?
I understand the astro people do something like this. Unfortunately
there aren't any around, for obvious reason
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:35:59PM -0400, Matthew Hunt scripsit:
> This is standard practice in astrophotography. It gives both better
> results (from a signal-to-noise perspective), and wastes less time,
> than the in-camera subtraction of a single dark frame. That's what's
> so horrible about P
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:21:21PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> As an aside, can a person do DFS after the fact by running a long
> exposure with the cap on and then inverting it and dropping it onto a
> long exposure picture?
You could, but the likelihood of the dark frame matching the therm
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:21 PM, William Robb wrote:
> As an aside, can a person do DFS after the fact by running a long exposure
> with the cap on and then inverting it and dropping it onto a long exposure
> picture?
Yes, more or less. I'm not sure about the "inverting it and dropping
it" bit..
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Subject: Re: K-7 new firmware 1.01
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66277-k7-long-
exposures.html
As usual, the astro- and nightscape shooters who pointed this out were
treated as a bunch of
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Desjardins, Steve wrote:
Honestly, I had heard all sorts of complaints about the
focus point but this was the first I've heard of the DFS.
I discovered too late (i.e. after I bought my K-7) that this had been
discussed in a number of forums, e.g.:
http://www.pen
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:48:14PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit:
> Graydon wrote:
> > I strongly suspect that long exposures are junk without it.
>
> My suspicion as well. Could it be that this Samsung sensor is so rotten
> that they just can't afford to let us see the terrible unmasked tr
Graydon wrote:
> I strongly suspect that long exposures are junk without it.
My suspicion as well. Could it be that this Samsung sensor is so rotten
that they just can't afford to let us see the terrible unmasked truth?
I mean, it would fit in nicely with the general noise problems they seem
to
Desjardins, Steve wrote:
> Honestly, I had heard all sorts of complaints about the
> focus point but this was the first I've heard of the DFS.
I discovered too late (i.e. after I bought my K-7) that this had been
discussed in a number of forums, e.g.:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:33:43PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit:
> Fernando wrote:
> > Before buying a K20D I knew about this; and that's how I justified to
> > myself keeping the K10D...
>
> I didn't know this before I bought the K-7 and I must say it had never
> occurred to me that someo
Fernando wrote:
> Before buying a K20D I knew about this; and that's how I justified to
> myself keeping the K10D...
I didn't know this before I bought the K-7 and I must say it had never
occurred to me that someone might come up with something *that* idiotic.
Ralf
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Here
http://www.pentax.jp/engli
Before buying a K20D I knew about this; and that's how I justified to
myself keeping the K10D...
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Miserere wrote:
>
>> If I purchase the K-7 I'll have to keep the K10D as my fireworks
>> camera. Maybe I'll call her my "4th of July Camera"...
>
> Same here. I was j
The camera automatically does a dark frame hot pixel noise reduction on
long time duration images. The dark frame is produced right after the
long exposure for the same amount of time to approximate the hot pixels
that will light up from the heat build up from the sensor being
continuously pow
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> I was just cutting down on the number of cameras I'm hauling
> around all the time.
Mark!
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Miserere wrote:
> If I purchase the K-7 I'll have to keep the K10D as my fireworks
> camera. Maybe I'll call her my "4th of July Camera"...
Same here. I was just cutting down on the number of cameras I'm hauling
around all the time.
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>
> David J Brooks wrote:
>> 2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
>>> Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>>
>>>> The AF point selection madness has bee
new firmware 1.01
David J Brooks wrote:
> 2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
>> Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>
>>> The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
>> No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
>> subtraction in B mode an
David J Brooks wrote:
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
Dario Bonazza wrote:
The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
subtraction in B mode and no change either for this nonsense with the
illumination of the upp
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Dario Bonazza wrote:
>
>> The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
>
> No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
> subtraction in B mode and no change either for this nonsense with the
> illumination of the upper display.
Bruce Walker wrote:
> Is this a change from the K20D?
I don't know. But it's one from the K10D and all other Pentax models
with CCD sensors. Go figure.
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paul stenquist wrote:
> I understand how this could be a problem for astrophotography, but do
> you really need B mode for fireworks or thunderstorms?
Yes, absolutely. Because it's the only mode where you can expose as long
as you like and also stop the exposure at any moment. Both are key
funct
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote:
The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
subtraction in B mode
Is this a change from the K20D?
and no change either for this nonsense with the
illumination
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote:
The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
subtraction in B mode
Is this a change from the K20D?
and no change either for this nonsense with the
illumination
I understand how this could be a problem for astrophotography, but do
you really need B mode for fireworks or thunderstorms?
Paul
On Jul 29, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote:
The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
No change, on the other
Excellent. I never did get used to the weirdness of losing control,
and once changed my white balance inadvertently while trying to
restore control of autofocus select.
Paul
On Jul 29, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Here
http://www.pentax.jp/english/support
Dario Bonazza wrote:
> The AF point selection madness has been fixed as expected.
No change, on the other hand, with the non-defeatable dark frame
subtraction in B mode and no change either for this nonsense with the
illumination of the upper display.
I'm sorry to say the K-7 ist still ununsab
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Here
http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/k-7_s.html
/" Changes to V1.01
* Added [Operate at AF point “SEL”] on [Custom] menu and it can be
selected either [1 Calling Function Preference] or [2 Select AF point
Preference].
When selected [2 Select AF point Prefere
Here
http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/k-7_s.html
/" Changes to V1.01
* Added [Operate at AF point “SEL”] on [Custom] menu and it can be
selected either [1 Calling Function Preference] or [2 Select AF point
Preference].
When selected [2 Select AF point Preference] and AF point switchi
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