Cotty wrote:
You better cool it William, the rest of the list is looking at
this like a
hawk.
I have no egrets, I can handle it.
Glad you're not feeling bittern.
If you believe that you're pretty gullible.
True, it's nothing to crow about, but I don't want to be robin you of an
op
On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:48 AM, mike wilson wrote:
All the providers I checked asked for a phone number and/or an
address on
their web site.
That's to give them a rough idea. After that, an individual test
will be done (they can do this through a phone call) to check if
you are _really_
>> >> > You better cool it William, the rest of the list is looking at
>this like a
>> >> > hawk.
>> >>
>> >> I have no egrets, I can handle it.
>> >
>> >Glad you're not feeling bittern.
>>
>> If you believe that you're pretty gullible.
>>
>
>True, it's nothing to crow about, but I don't wan
You hit that nail right on the head. And, when the local franchise is
held by the local government it is even worse. I did once run into one
young lady who tried to give the customers good service; I think they
fired her for it.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.ne
>
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/21 Fri PM 12:41:14 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >&g
mike wilson wrote:
>> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> From: "Kenneth Waller"
>> >
>> > You better cool it William, the rest of the list is looking at this like a
>> > hawk.
>>
>> I have no egrets, I can handle it.
>
>Glad you're not feeling bittern.
If you believe that you're pr
>
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/21 Fri AM 12:18:15 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> All the providers I checked asked for a phone number and/or an address on
> their web site
>
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 09:56:40 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kenneth Waller"
> Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet
On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
What's a contention ration? Something to ask about?
It reflects how much the provider oversells their upstream
connection. Not everyone is downloading at full speed all the time,
so it's senseless to rate the upstream connection as if th
On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
You ain't seen nothing:
http://my.bigpond.com/internetplans/broadband/adsl/plans/default.jsp
And I thought we were a third-rate broadband backwater!
http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,8763,203071-202469,00.html
(I hate content management systems
- Original Message -
From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
Maybe Bill's not refering to his head?
Enough already. There are some things that I wig out over.
William Robb
Maybe Bill's not refering to his head?
Dave S
On 4/21/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hair? Where? ...a box somewhere? Bob S.
>
> On 4/20/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: &
Hair? Where? ...a box somewhere? Bob S.
On 4/20/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mishka"
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> > US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
>
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
- Original Message -
From: "Kenneth Waller"
Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
All the providers I checked asked for a phone number and/or an address on
their web site.
Shel
> > DSL/ADSL availability needs to be assessed individually
> > since cable noise and losses due to the distance from the
> > exchange can exclude some locations within a particular
> > zip code.
>
For what it's worth, I pay ~$56/mo to Comcast for HSI and
"basic-as-in-there-is-nothing-cheaper" cable TV, and I live in a suburb
of Portland, OR that is decidedly not rural. That rate includes taxes,
but not the $3/mo modem rental fee, as I provide my own modem. There's a
$10 discount for pu
On Apr 20, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
Nice to know ... none of my searches turned up SBC. I'll look
further into
it. Thanks! BTW, did you use the El Cerrito zip code, 94530?
That's not
the zip in which I live.
DSL/ADSL availability needs to be assessed individually since ca
On 20 Apr 2006 at 7:45, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Nice to know ... none of my searches turned up SBC. I'll look further into
> it. Thanks! BTW, did you use the El Cerrito zip code, 94530? That's not
> the zip in which I live.
DSL/ADSL availability needs to be assessed individually since cable n
- Original Message -
From: "Kenneth Waller"
Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
You better cool it William, the rest of the list is looking at this like a
hawk.
I have no egrets, I can handle it.
William Robb
Oh, absolutely ... I did a cursory glance earlier - it's worth a deeper
look. Thanks!
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> It's the only one I had for you. At least worth a glance... :-)
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > Nice to know ... none of my searches turned up SBC. I'
Well, Comcast cable is available in Sunnyvale too. I have their cable
service for television. I'm not impressed with them here: I've had
more outages than I care to remember.
SBC/AT&T DSL has been 100% reliable, not a single outage in the past
year. In terms of practical speed, the DSL I've
It's the only one I had for you. At least worth a glance... :-)
Godfrey
On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Nice to know ... none of my searches turned up SBC. I'll look
further into
it. Thanks! BTW, did you use the El Cerrito zip code, 94530?
That's not
the zip in which
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Shel,
I just looked into the SBC/AT&T website http://www.sbc.com using your
zip code. They offer DSL there for [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1.5M down/384K up
li
Nice to know ... none of my searches turned up SBC. I'll look further into
it. Thanks! BTW, did you use the El Cerrito zip code, 94530? That's not
the zip in which I live.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> I just looked into the SBC/AT&T website http://www.sbc.com using
t; side,
> > about 25% faster upside. What's a contention ration? Something to
> > ask
> > about?
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >>
what was offered to me on the down
side,
about 25% faster upside. What's a contention ration? Something to
ask
about?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: 4/20/2006 6:06:22 AM
Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
Shel Belinkoff wrote
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
- Original Message -
From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>&
That's about twice as fast +/- what was offered to me on the down side,
about 25% faster upside. What's a contention ration? Something to ask
about?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 4/20/2006 6:06:22 AM
> Subject:
On 4/20/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Parlty due to the ADSL limitations - cable (left hand menu) is much better
> value.
If your lucky enough to live in one of the few locations that actually
have access to it.
> Seems you are between a rck and a hard place wrt broadband access.
>
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 12:33:50 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >&
Ah, and free lunch! However that is not such a good deal as typical
wages were a dollar a day at the time.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 01:08:29 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> Yikes. Even in Aussie $$ it's pretty spendy - nope, make that very spendy
> - and you
I think Comcast, which Shel has been talking about, is 8 Mb downstream and
768kb up.
-- Original message --
From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> > I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
> > to me. How
Yikes. Even in Aussie $$ it's pretty spendy - nope, make that very spendy
- and you don't seem to get much in the way of service.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert
> > US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
> > broadband goes. Lousy and expensive. I am paying
> >
h, and you can get season tickets for a buck a game up here.
-Aaron
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj: Re: High Speed Internet Access
Date: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:59 am
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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
brooksdj
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:49:20 -0700
>
> Seriously,
I don't recall any more. It seemed pretty quick to me, but the usual
disclaimer about connection speed followed. Plus what the sales guy said
and what was on the web sit, was different by about 50%
What also pissed me off was that the guy I spoke to wanted to sign me up
right away at full price,
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
to me. How does that compare with what you're paying?
I'm looking at a quote of £30pcm (about $50?), but that's for 8Mb
downstream, 448kb up and a low (20:1?) contention ratio...
S
mike wilson wrote (regarding static IP addresses):
An advantage in some ways but it makes it easier for hackers to target you.
It makes it slightly easier for hackers to target you *specifically*,
but most "hacks" are the results of randomised IP address scanning these
days - a dynamic IP add
brooksdj
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:49:20 -0700
>
> Seriously, move to Toronto, people -- our baseball team has the best
> cheap seats in all of baseball, and the internet is cheap as dirt.
> What else do you need?
Wrigley Field.
On 20 Apr 2006 at 1:15, Mishka wrote:
> US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
> broadband goes. Lousy and expensive. I am paying
> ~$50 for Cablevision (after $20 for 6 month initial period).
> When I discuss this with my friends in Toronto, I almost
> start hating them...
You ain'
>
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 12:27:03 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet A
mike wilson wrote:
>> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> From: "Mark Roberts"
>>
>> >>
>> >>There's the problem. Get a bigger crow.:-)
>> >
>> > African or European?
>>
>> Enough puns.
>> Yer a bunch of raven lunatics.
>>
>Not puns. He's just parrotting a comedy sketch.
I'm su
- Original Message -
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>>
>>There's the problem. Get a bigger crow.:-)
>
> African or European?
Enough puns.
Yer a bunch of raven lunatics.
Not puns. He's just parrotting a co
>
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 12:18:18 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Roberts"
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 12:15:25 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
> >Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
There's the problem. Get a bigger crow.:-)
African or European?
Enough puns.
Yer a bunch of raven lunatics.
William Robb
David J Brooks wrote:
>Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >less as the crow flies.
>>
>> Shel
>
>There's the problem. Get a bigger crow.:-)
African or European?
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>less as the crow flies.
Shel
There's the problem. Get a bigger crow.:-)
Dave
Equine Photography in York Region
>
> Seriously, move to Toronto, people -- our baseball team has the best
> cheap seats in all of baseball, and the internet is cheap as dirt.
> What else do you need?
Nickel beer.:-)
Dave
>
> -Aaron
>
On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:15 AM, Mishka wrote:
When I discuss this with my friends in Toronto, I almost
start hating them...
I understand -- I'm looking at all these prices and wondering why on
earth people would pay so much!
Seriously, move to Toronto, people -- our baseball team has the best
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Comcast ... I think it's outrageously high - certainly based on what others
have said they are paying.
Perhaps I missed it, but what speeds are they talking about? I agree
the space is sh*te for the price.
Kostas
>
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu AM 05:16:49 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Mishka"
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu AM 04:55:29 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Robinson"
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Ac
On 20/4/06, Mishka, discombobulated, unleashed:
>1Gb is probably an exaggeration. Unless you
>have a direct link to the backbone, which I doubt.
Oops, brain fart. 1 Mb that should read. Thanks.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
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Mishka wrote:
US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
broadband goes. Lousy and expensive. I am paying
~$50 for Cablevision (after $20 for 6 month initial period).
When I discuss this with my friends in Toronto, I almost
start hating them...
best,
mishka
On 4/20/06, William Robb <[
why that should be a reason? mine is quite alright as it is...
best,
mishka
On 4/20/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mishka"
> Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
>
>
> > US is seriously begind the
- Original Message -
From: "Mishka"
Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
broadband goes. Lousy and expensive. I am paying
~$50 for Cablevision (after $20 for 6 month initial period).
When I discuss this with my
US is seriously begind the developed world as far as
broadband goes. Lousy and expensive. I am paying
~$50 for Cablevision (after $20 for 6 month initial period).
When I discuss this with my friends in Toronto, I almost
start hating them...
best,
mishka
On 4/20/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Robinson"
Subject: Re: High Speed Internet Access
On Apr 19, 2006, at 17:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable. But
it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL
1Gb is probably an exaggeration. Unless you
have a direct link to the backbone, which I doubt.
best,
mishka
On 4/19/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19/4/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
> >to
I pay about $60/month for 6MB down and 768k up. It's the top speed
offered here and I would use more if I could, 'cause I spend a lot of
time playing online games.
Charles Robinson wrote:
On Apr 19, 2006, at 17:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable.
But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can get here.
True dat. But cable does have a few downsides for me: 1. No fixed IP
You
My service is aDSL using PPPoE, but I don't use my home machine as a
web server or file server so the lack of a fixed IP address isn't
relevant. I also use an external account (leased from GoDaddy.com)
for the gdgphoto.com data store and the .Mac servers otherwise. I do
a lot of up and down
I upload quite a bit to an FTP server. Sometimes 200 megs at a single
session. It seems relatively fast. Certainly not a problem. I believe
my upload speed is identical to that Godfrey posted for his DSL line,
although my download speed is quite a bit faster. But I'm no expert. I
don't know wha
On Apr 19, 2006, at 17:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv
cable. But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can
get here.
True dat. But cable does have a few downsides for me: 1. No fixed IP
address 2. Serious restrictions
Comcast does give you good speed -- 8Mbps/768kbps are the current
numbera. Problems are now few and far between. I'd have to rate the
service as excellent. They also provide unlimited photo storage. I
don't use that, but it might be a plus for some.
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Shel Belinkoff
Comcast ... I think it's outrageously high - certainly based on what others
have said they are paying. Plus I get less web space than I have now as
well as fewer email addresses. Right now I've got 170mb of free web space
and eight email addresses. I can get a whopping 25mb of space with Comcast
Of I added cable tv the price would be about $30.00 higher.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist
> I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable.
> But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can get here.
Who's the carrier? For whatever reason, $60 sounds a bit high but not
outrageously so.
Godfrey
On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area. They
provide the
only cable service for miles around, and in order to get HSI, I need
On 19/4/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
>to me. How does that compare with what you're paying?
Here in the UK, I pay £20 a month for 1 Gb download, 512kb upload speed.
Very reliable, no problems. Hardware
I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable.
But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can get here.
Paul
On Apr 19, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area. They provide
the
only cable service for mil
No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area. They provide the
only cable service for miles around, and in order to get HSI, I need a
cable.
Yes, my location is somewhat rural, but it's not that far off the beaten
path. Casa Belinkoff is less than a mile from a main drag, less as the
$60/month sounds high, but might be because of your rural location.
When I first went to DSL service in 2000, it was $59/month at
384/128Kbps in Cupertino, unmetered. Nowadays, DSL service through
SBC/Yahoo.com in Sunnyvale costs me $29.95/month with 1500/768Kbps
performance, unmetered.
G
Charter Cable 3000kbs highspeed internet $49.95 + basic cable and taxes
equal about $64/month. That gives me downloads in the 400KBS+ range* (if
the server has the bandwidth to feed it to me that fast. Standard
1000kbs highspeed internet (usually gave me downloads in the 100-125KBS
range) from
On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:40 PM, mike wilson wrote:
My brother in law has just had his access throttled by the
supplier. He was paying for unlimited use and they told him he was
using it too much...
I wonder how they define "unlimited".
Bob
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
to me. How does that compare with what you're paying?
Shel
£17.99 for 2Mb speed, 1Gb download limit per month. After that, it
reverts to 1Mb/unlimited.
My brother in law has just had his ac
On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
About $43 - Earthlink ISP through Time-Warner cable. $60 seems
kind of high unless it includes lots of useful bells and whistles.
SBC is offering DSL for $30 for the first year - don't know what it
bumps up to after that, but I doubt much
About $43 - Earthlink ISP through Time-Warner cable. $60 seems kind of
high unless it includes lots of useful bells and whistles. SBC is
offering DSL for $30 for the first year - don't know what it bumps up to
after that, but I doubt much higher than $40.
-P
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I
On Apr 19, 2006, at 14:35, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems
awfully high
to me. How does that compare with what you're paying?
DSL in Minneapolis: I'm paying about $24/month for the DSL signal
(from QWEST) and would pay an additional $1
For SBC/Yahoo DSL I'm paying $14.99/month.
Speed is adequate, except for my sons who like to download
Simpsons episodes.
In rural western Oklahoma the phone co. wants to charge $50 or so
per month for DSL. And only 768K at that.
Friend
ssage-
>
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj: High Speed Internet Access
> Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:35 pm
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> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>
> I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awf
I'm paying $26 CDN/month for DSL. $60 US seems nuts.
-Aaron
-Original Message-
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj: High Speed Internet Access
Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:35 pm
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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
I've been quoted a pri
I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access. That seems awfully high
to me. How does that compare with what you're paying?
Shel
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