Re: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-24 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > When the going gets tough, the big spend money. Mark! - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.

Re: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: Shutterbug K10D Review > Anyone else get Rangefinder. The issue before last came with a "Canon FOS > Digital for Professionals" brochure attached. If anyone remembers what > Cadillac Brochures back in the

Re: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-23 Thread David J Brooks
If i can find a good flash combo and work flow, for the K10D, the Sigma 500 super just is not cutting it, i could see myself selling the D200. Dave On 7/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Sandra Hermann" > Subject

Re: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-23 Thread graywolf
lliam Robb wrote: > - Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Hermann" > Subject: RE: Shutterbug K10D Review > > >> I just came home from a trip to see my sister who is a snob, car snob, >> camera snob, food snob. She shoots with a Nikon just because it says

Re: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Sandra Hermann" Subject: RE: Shutterbug K10D Review >I just came home from a trip to see my sister who is a snob, car snob, > camera snob, food snob. She shoots with a Nikon just because it says > Nikon > on it. But anyway, she was

RE: Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-23 Thread Sandra Hermann
L PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Shutterbug K10D Review >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:13:58 -0700 (PDT) > >FYI, August issue of Shutterbug has a very positive review of the K10D. >The word "professional" appe

Shutterbug K10D Review

2007-07-07 Thread Jack Davis
FYI, August issue of Shutterbug has a very positive review of the K10D. The word "professional" appears in it a couple times. One of my favorite lines; "..the images the Pentax K10D produces are (italicized) impressive". They got that right! They do feel it's a little mode option rich and there is

K10D review

2007-04-11 Thread Markus Maurer
A good review of the K10D and it's pro and cons at: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K10D/K10DA.HTM Greetings Markus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

K10d Review on Imaging Resource

2007-04-07 Thread George Sinos
An interesting review of the K10d on the Imaging Resource web site. In addition to the traditional list of features and descriptions of knobs, there is a longer term user report that actually provides a little perspective on the design and use of the camera. Whatever you think of the author's comm

RE: Yet another K10D review...

2007-03-09 Thread Markus Maurer
another K10D review... ...and another 'default-jpg' quality complaint. For the rest, a good opinion. http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pentax/k10d-review/index.shtml __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móvil

Yet another K10D review...

2007-03-09 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
...and another 'default-jpg' quality complaint. For the rest, a good opinion. http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pentax/k10d-review/index.shtml __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
. Peace. > > > Tom C. > > > >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >Subject: Re: K10D review online > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:04:03 -0600 > &

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Doug Franklin
John Francis wrote: > To an extent that's because the comments are voluntary, and self-selecting. > I don't post a "I think this photograph sucks!" message - I just pass it by. > I suspect many others do the same thing. This means that the only comments > you will see are those expressing positive

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Tom C
You needn't agree... I don't asume anything, why do you? Tom C. >From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online >Date: Mon, 18 D

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:29:55 -, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I personally find the list to be largely self-congratulatory. > In > other words the vast majority of shots are praised whether they possess > merit or not. I disagree. Most photos don't get many comments, and often those com

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:29:55PM -0700, Tom C wrote: > > I think all levels of photographers should contribute, as I said back then > as well. I personally find the list to be largely self-congratulatory. In > other words the vast majority of shots are praised whether they possess > merit o

RE: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Malcolm Smith
Tom C wrote: Hi Tom, > I think all levels of photographers should contribute, as I > said back then as well. I personally find the list to be > largely self-congratulatory. In other words the vast > majority of shots are praised whether they possess merit or > not. I'm glad I didn't say th

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Tom C
cracked up to be. Anyway... Peace. Tom C. >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: K10D review online >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:04:03 -0600 > >Tom, > >S

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Jens Bladt wrote: > The K10D certainly isn't doing very well in comparison to others, like Sony, > Nikon, Canon. > I wonder why? because reviewer does not like its JPEG output - it does not have the same contrasty look as Canons or Nikon JPEGs. As simple as that. B. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Ma

RE: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-18 Thread Tom C
>From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sadly, not living in an area of great natural beauty like your good self, >it's very easy to travel a very short distance and see such images which >would easily become photos. What we have here is a photographic conflict of >interest. You've also raised

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Jens Bladt
ne af Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu Sendt: 15. december 2006 19:04 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: K10D review online Hello, For the few of you who didn't know this yet: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/ Highly recommended (just) -- Best regards, Alex Sarbu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cotty
On 18/12/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: >I think the benefits of RAW are generally understated and I feel this >particularly when I hear the main benefit being touted as simply that >shooting RAW provides greater exposure range. Sure it's often a >benefit in wide DR situatio

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cotty
>> If you're attending GFM next year, would you mind bringing some prints >> along? > On 17/12/06, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: >Will do As will I. Look forward to meeting you. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cot

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your experiences mirror mine Ken. That's not to say that I don't think > RAW is good - it is. RAW is excellent at allowing a greater range in the > exposure, sure. But when printing to these sizes, that's it. At 13"X19" > the quality of the pics is d

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Kenneth Waller
amp; on some images there is a noticeably difference but I have no issues with what I can get out of JPEG capture. > If you're attending GFM next year, would you mind bringing some prints > along? Will do. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[E

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Kenneth Waller
>Would the shot saved and printed as a JPEG still look as good against a >well > printed RAW shot? Obviously, without a side by side evaluation, we'll never know. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> S

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: K10D review online >> Sounds like a reasonable process. I assume that you're leaving colour > management to Photoshop? If so do you run a custom or manufacturers > printer/paper specific profile a

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 18/12/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My printing method with the K10 is: > Open RAW file in ACR, and optimize as much as possible. > Open in Photoshop (ProPhoto RGB) , and crop/resize for printer. > Send to printer. > The results so far have been outstanding. > When I have my des

RE: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bob Sullivan wrote: > I hope you would not feel reluctant to post shots here. > The pdml and PUG do have some very good photographers and > pix, but there has always been an open, welcoming group here. > And people are happy to offer comments on what is right or > wrong with a photo. > > Usua

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Bob W
day, December 17, 2006 12:51 PM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > First answer: > the conversion to a format that a minilab printer can use. > > Second answer: > Somebody here has said you can't print Pentax raw fi

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'm not sure about printing direct from a RAW format file to a printer with the K10D. But since the K10D supports post-capture RAW conversion to JPEG in camera, you can always print from it that way, or pull the card and print the JPEGs that way as well. Since buying my first modern digital

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread J. C. O'Connell
these were yes or no questions, and your first answer further confuses me. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:51 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online Fi

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Bob W
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > what can be done in the camera? Can you print > Pentax RAW files at a minilab from the media > card without any user processing on a PC > or with the camera or not? (two queations)?? > jco > >

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: K10D review online > > It's more the colour gamut of the ink, most printers are pretty damed > good these days I just wonder how many are being under-utilized WRT > colour spread though feeding th

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread J. C. O'Connell
, December 17, 2006 3:34 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online it can all be done in the camera using predefined settings in exactly the same way as the conversion to jpeg is done in the camera. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cory Papenfuss
>> I don't agree, as anyone who was @ GFM in 2005 will attest. I had a large >> size portfolio of digital captures (13"X19") all in JPEG. The response to >> the images was satisfying to me. No one questioned the capture mode. > It's not just the size that matters. RAW gives the ability to

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: >It's more the colour gamut of the ink, most printers are pretty damed >good these days I just wonder how many are being under-utilized WRT >colour spread though feeding them limited gamut files? Well, there's an easy test there. Some

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread David Savage
On 12/17/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/12/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Depends on the printer hardware, doesn't it ? If the printer was top of > > the range, I would hesitate to say yes. > > It's more the colour gamut of the ink, most printers are pretty

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Depends on the printer hardware, doesn't it ? If the printer was top of > the range, I would hesitate to say yes. It's more the colour gamut of the ink, most printers are pretty damed good these days I just wonder how many are being under-utilized

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: >I would like to have heard >the consensus if the viewers were also presented with the same well >crafted image which had been captured RAW then post precessed to >maximise the image dynamics and colour gamut and printed on a printer

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/06, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: >I don't agree, as anyone who was @ GFM in 2005 will attest. I had a large >size portfolio of digital captures (13"X19") all in JPEG. The response to >the images was satisfying to me. No one questioned the capture mode. Your experiences m

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread David Savage
On 12/17/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't spoil my theory with facts! Mark! Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Carlos Royo
Bob W escribió: > Don't spoil my theory with facts! > I'm sorry about that. By the way, you made a beautiful drawing. ;-) Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-17 Thread Bob W
r 2006 01:28 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > I dont follow you, if you have to do this processing > at home with special ACR or Pentax sofware to open and print the > RAW files, then its not as "portable" or "universal&qu

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't agree, as anyone who was @ GFM in 2005 will attest. I had a large > size portfolio of digital captures (13"X19") all in JPEG. The response to > the images was satisfying to me. No one questioned the capture mode. I don't dispute what

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David Savage
On 12/17/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:57:53 -, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > All thoughts comments a while back, about only submitting images of > > the utmost quality to the PUG are a crock IMHO. Post the best you can > > do, and await a

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Kenneth Waller
ck Genovese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: K10D review online >I think the masses that shoot jpegs would mostly print 6x4 prints > anyone interested in printing prints big enough to notice the > difference will probably shoot raw. > > Regards > > Patrick >

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't that what the K100D is for, and rightly so. The K10D is aimed at > a higher audience. It was never expected to sell in such large numbers > for good reason. The K10D has general appeal, it's a relatively cheap camera that offers 10MP (

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
> > > > > >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: K10D review online >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:02:08 -0800 >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2006,

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Doug Franklin
John Coyle wrote: > I do the same as you Cotty - shoot RAW when I'm doing artsy stuff, and JPG > for snapshots. I've set up an action in PS which does the basic resizing, > re-sampling etc. for me, and I can set it to batch process a bunch of JPEGs > while I do something more interesting (like

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dont follow you, if you have to do this processing > at home with special ACR or Pentax sofware to open and print the > RAW files, then its not as "portable" or "universal" > a format as jpeg is which you can print directly > from the medi

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread J. C. O'Connell
e a major feature of "shooting jpeg" if thats all you want or need. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:15 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online I

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David Savage
On 12/17/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Do you know what credentials Mr. Askey has as the basis of his > >testing science? > > He's British, mate - no more need be said ;-))) But I'll say it anyway. He's mad as a cut snake.

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I'm confused. As I understand it, Pentax files are generally agreed > to be softer than other manufacturers' - because there is less > processing applied in camera? So I would then assume that sharper DNG > files would have _more_ process

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:15 PM, mike wilson wrote: >>> If you prefer a sharper shot to a softer feel, then you will >>> probably wish to shoot in the DNG RAW format instead of PEF RAW >>> or JPG. >>> >>> If you prefer a smoother image, then you will want to shoot in >>> PEF RAW or JPG. >> >> This im

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
They assume the user will process the files and apply sharpening. And they're right. Paul On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:15 PM, mike wilson wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > >> Now the intriguing question, to me, is Dorian's statement: >> >> >>> -- >>> If you prefer a sharper shot to a softer feel,

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: >On 15/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>YOU Haven't GOT the F*cking Camera and all you can say is negative >>things based on what you've managed to scrounge up on the internet. >>GIVE IT A REST... You're not qualified to say anything about the >>K10D. > >Bob, I've

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Patrick Genovese
I think the masses that shoot jpegs would mostly print 6x4 prints anyone interested in printing prints big enough to notice the difference will probably shoot raw. Regards Patrick On 12/16/06, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still haven't shot a single jpeg with either this camera

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread mike wilson
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Now the intriguing question, to me, is Dorian's statement: > > >>-- >>If you prefer a sharper shot to a softer feel, then you will >>probably wish to shoot in the DNG RAW format instead of PEF RAW >>or JPG. >> >>If you prefer a smoother image, then you will want to sh

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David J Brooks
ew*, not my own >> personal review of the camera. Do you require me to spend close to a $1000 >> to expess an opinion on a review? >> >> It's a fact that many people consult reviews, consider 2nd or 3rd party >> opinions and results, because they do not have the time,

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David J Brooks
Jpegs for horse sales. My D2H D200 aqnd now my K10D are all set on Raw/jpeg View print from Hamrick can show the jpegs to my masses, and i'll use the raw for a print,. Seems simple enough:-) Dave Quoting Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I still haven't shot a single jpeg with either th

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/06, John Coyle, discombobulated, unleashed: >I do the same as you Cotty - shoot RAW when I'm doing artsy stuff, and JPG >for snapshots. I've set up an action in PS which does the basic resizing, >re-sampling etc. for me, and I can set it to batch process a bunch of JPEGs >while I do s

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/06, John Coyle, discombobulated, unleashed: >A little while ago, I posted a PESO of my youngest grandchild which was an >unprocessed JPEG: nobody commented how awful it was, even if they thought >it, so maybe Pentax has got the standards right in camera, for most people. >My own choice

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, I've experienced the same thing. I keep feeling that some of the prints I made five years ago belong in the trash. Paul On Dec 16, 2006, at 4:05 PM, John Francis wrote: > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 10:31:41AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> I'm with you Dave. The PUG has taught me how to be bet

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread John Coyle
ot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:04 AM Subject: Re: K10D review online > On 16/12/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>But isnt the purpose of using the jpeg output >>option of the camera so you can ju

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 15/12/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I have to post something here, what makes someone an instant >> photographic >> expert by buying a particular camera model or a total photograhic >> moron if they dont? NOTHING. I am not saying you

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Help me to focus it? Communicate it more clearly? What...Bob S. On 12/16/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >YOU Haven't GOT the F*cking Camera and all you can say is negative > >things based on what you've managed to scrounge up

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob W
Don't spoil my theory with facts! -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Carlos Royo > Sent: 16 December 2006 22:55 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K10D review online > > Bob W escri

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/12/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >A picture is worth a thousand words, so I've made one to show 3 >plausible ways of doing it: >http://www.web-options.com/Drawing1.jpg > >No doubt there are other possibilities. Where's the box that says 'bitch about it on the pdml' ? ;-) -- C

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/12/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: >But isnt the purpose of using the jpeg output >option of the camera so you can just go >straight to a print lab and print the jpegs >without having to do any digital processing >of the images on a PC or laptop? It sounds >like you cant do

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 15/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >Do you know what credentials Mr. Askey has as the basis of his >testing science? He's British, mate - no more need be said ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysn

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Carlos Royo
Bob W escribió: > A picture is worth a thousand words, so I've made one to show 3 > plausible ways of doing it: > http://www.web-options.com/Drawing1.jpg > > No doubt there are other possibilities. > Bob, I don't know about other DSLRs, but the *ist DS that I have can't print RAW (PEF in Pentax

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
>> Phil Askey is English. On 16/12/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: >You might try lurking for a while before putting your foot in it with >every post. As you might note, we English are quite adept at pissing people off ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | Peo

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob W
A picture is worth a thousand words, so I've made one to show 3 plausible ways of doing it: http://www.web-options.com/Drawing1.jpg No doubt there are other possibilities. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Bob W [...] > >

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Jack Davis
anything > to tweek or optimized the raw data in the in-camera > conversions to jpeg, no? > > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Jack Davis > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Pen

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 15/12/06, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: >YOU Haven't GOT the F*cking Camera and all you can say is negative >things based on what you've managed to scrounge up on the internet. >GIVE IT A REST... You're not qualified to say anything about the >K10D. Bob, I've enrolled you in Anger

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Cotty
On 15/12/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: >I have to post something here, what makes someone an instant >photographic >expert by buying a particular camera model or a total photograhic >moron if they dont? NOTHING. I am not saying you dont or cant >learn more about a particular mod

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob W
at, since both processes start from the same place, and end up in the same place. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell > Sent: 16 December 2006 20:45 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' &g

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Joseph Tainter
Some would-be buyers are already drawing back. You can see the posts at dpreview. I know what some people here think of dpreviewers. But from Pentax's perspective, their money is just as good as anyone else's, and just as important. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 10:31:41AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > I'm with you Dave. The PUG has taught me how to be better. If you > look at some of my original PUG contributions you will see how much > worse I was. I'm just happy to have crawled up to mediocre! Average > here is a whole lot bet

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread J. C. O'Connell
. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:54 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online Without any digital processing whatsoever? You can't do anything with anythin

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob W
l > Sent: 16 December 2006 19:33 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > I wasnt aware that pentax RAW files are portable > non proprietary file formats like jpegs formats are. You can print > them at all minilabs etc, without any

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread J. C. O'Connell
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: K10D review online Ditto! J --- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that some of these diehard RAW users may be forgetting that > > one of the biggest

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Saturday, December 16, 2006 1:24 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online > I think that some of these diehard RAW users may be forgetting that > one of the biggest "features" of any digtal camera is for instant > results on the output. If you h

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Jack Davis
Ditto! J --- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that some of these diehard RAW users may be forgetting that > > one of the biggest "features" of any digtal camera is for instant > > results on the output. If you have to go spend a lot of time > tweeking > > each one of RAW images in pho

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob W
> I think that some of these diehard RAW users may be forgetting that > one of the biggest "features" of any digtal camera is for instant > results on the output. If you have to go spend a lot of time tweeking > each one of RAW images in photoshop, that good "feature" is lost. > jco You can get pe

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Joseph Tainter
I still haven't shot a single jpeg with either this camera or my Ds (which I used for three years) and may never do so. - Precisely. In three years of owning the D, I have not shot a single jpeg, except for the automatic embedded ones. The review shows that RAW files from the K10D outperfo

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread SJ
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:41:40 +0100 Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > playing music. Same goes for book reviewers. (There are exceptions > from this "rule") ouch! (despite the disclaimer). i guess some body's got to do the dirty job... :-) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
I'm with you Dave. The PUG has taught me how to be better. If you look at some of my original PUG contributions you will see how much worse I was. I'm just happy to have crawled up to mediocre! Average here is a whole lot better than Very Good in a lot of places. (Even the snapshots are a cut

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread John Forbes
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:57:53 -, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All thoughts comments a while back, about only submitting images of > the utmost quality to the PUG are a crock IMHO. Post the best you can > do, and await any constructive criticism. > > If I relied on the comments of

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
not have the time, ability, or desire > to spend the time > > > Tom C. > > > > > >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >Subject: Re: K10D rev

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David Savage
"those" not "thoughts" Idiot Dave On 12/17/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All thoughts comments a while back, about only submitting images of > the utmost quality to the PUG are a crock IMHO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdm

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread David Savage
All thoughts comments a while back, about only submitting images of the utmost quality to the PUG are a crock IMHO. Post the best you can do, and await any constructive criticism. If I relied on the comments of friends and family, I would have stopped trying to do better 10 years ago. As a medioc

Re: Snapshots; was K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Malcolm, I hope you would not feel reluctant to post shots here. The pdml and PUG do have some very good photographers and pix, but there has always been an open, welcoming group here. And people are happy to offer comments on what is right or wrong with a photo. Usually, comments are appropriat

Re: DPReview K10D Review is up

2006-12-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
LOL ... Funny looking, I agree. :-) G On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: > Correction: Not as long as he lights his photographs of lenses with > umbrellas. > >> Not as long as he photographs lenses with umbrellas >> >>> He does take nice pictures of the equipment. :-) -- PDML P

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Paul Stenquist > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:41 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K10D review online > > > "Best" is subjective. The review is based on pixel peeping, not prints > that you hang on your wa

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread John Forbes
ons are correct." > > Kind of incorrect English I believe. Sorry bout that. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Tim > Øsleby > Sent: 16. desember

RE: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread J. C. O'Connell
in large prints, this is why I have still kept and use my LF Gear on occasion. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:41 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D review online "

Re: K10D review online

2006-12-16 Thread K.Takeshita
On 12/16/06 8:03 AM, "John Forbes", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect that people who don't shoot RAW don't realise that it is not > very time-consuming at all once you get the hang of it, and provided you > use good software. I think there are many reasons why people shoot jpeg in varying d

RE: DPReview K10D Review is up

2006-12-16 Thread Anthony Farr
Correction: Not as long as he lights his photographs of lenses with umbrellas. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Anthony Farr > Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:08 PM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >

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