OK, I stand thoroughly corrected. What was wrong with
her, that she had to invent such an annoying creature?
I have Victor and Clippy on my new computer and I
can't say I will be using them. They bug me immensely,
especially since Victor is impossible to turn off for
ages when you are first settin
> petit miam wrote:
> >
> > I don't think I like what you are trying to imply
> > there. I'm sure the other females on this list
> would
> > agree.
>
> I think you're being a little to eager to take
> offense.
OK. None taken.
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Y
Amen.
Jody (Who can read, write, spell, do advanced algebra
and calculus and understand ASA numbers, as well as a
few other things)
> Just to be perfectly clear, since I was the first to
> jump into this
> with a comment of disgust and revulsion. My
> comments were not aimed
> at the "knowledga
You shouldn't be offended by the truth. The person who invented Bob
married Bill. (I don't remember if she had anything to do with Clippy).
This is not a slap at females this is a slap at Microsoft Bill and his
wife. (At least that's how I would interpret it).
At 04:35 AM 5/14/2001 -0700, you w
petit miam wrote:
>
> I don't think I like what you are trying to imply
> there. I'm sure the other females on this list would
> agree.
I think you're being a little to eager to take offense.
I'm not trying to imply anything - You seem to be reading
a generalization into my message. That's your
Who's that totally annoying guy in Windows Me? I can
call him up again any time I need some help - Yeah
right.
> > What/Who is "Bob" and "Clippy"?
>
> Two of the more asinine things Microsoft has tried
> to foist on us.
>
> "Bob" was an interface developed for, I think,
> Windows 95. Your scree
Frank Theriault writes:
> Anyone seen N's latest tv ad for their (I can't remember which)
> lower-end slr? "The slr for people who are afraid of slr's", or
> something to that effect. They're marketing it as an up-scale p&s.
If you want a real up-scale P&S... I saw a Fuji 6x4.5 point-n-sh
I guess the question is, "Is Kodak contributing to, or reacting to, the
'dumbing down' of society?"
Truth is, most people want simple, worry free cameras to take snapshots
of the family or vacations with. Walk around a tourist area: how many
non-p&s cameras do you see? Not many.
Most folks wa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A lot of people have commented on how they think
> Kodak's new labeling/packaging reflects on the
> knowledgability or intelligence of the film buyers.
Just to be perfectly clear, since I was the first to jump into this
with a comment of disgust and revulsion. My c
Unless I'm buying ProPacks that only come in 36s, I
prefer the 24s. Often I'll process rolls with only 12 - 18 frames
exposed and the wastage is a little less. Also the standard
negative file sheets for 36 are unsatisfactory -- those that
hold 36 frames won't contact print on 8x10 and the ones
t
-- Original Message --
>> Kodak have a very low opinion of the average consumer's intelligence
>(you should read some of their industrial advertising), but I think that
>on the whole they're pretty much on the ball. People don't WANT to know
>the technical side unless they're into it as a hobby
At 09:10 AM 5/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> We're
>> used to a "standard" roll being 36 exposures, a short roll at 24
>> exposures, and with few exceptions, that's the way it's been.
>
>Actually, the sales figures show us that in consumer films, 24s outsell
>36s and 12s
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> Kodak have a very low opinion of the average consumer's intelligence
(you should read some of their industrial advertising), but I think that
on the whole they're pretty much on the ball. People don't WANT to know
the technical side unless they're into it as a hobby or
"Provencher, Paul M." wrote:
> It's too bad you feel that way - I always found it worthwhile to help people
> understand what they were doing and what their options were. But don't
> count on having less explaining to do...
In my days of consumer-oriented photographic retail, my experience
ge
It's already becoming to be a nuisance..
The problem I had last time I wanted to buy film in a General Store, not
a photo store, as an emergency measure, was that they only had Kodak "Ultra"
and "Zoom" (I think) color films in *partially opaque* plastic tube-like
3-film packs. I turned the packag
>Just consider who the consumer isdubious graduates of inept schools who
>cannot read, count, or reason, but probably have an undeserved high self
>esteem. No wonder they get confused.
Um... this seems to be the case... in many US movies...
regards,
Alan Chan
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>Tell me this is not the truth. "Sunny-bright" !? You'd think the dang
>Care-Bears took over the freaking marketing department.
I won't be surprised at all. I once bought a funny named Kodak print film
(can't remember the name) at safeway and only found out it was the plain old
Gold 400 (which
> Opened the film compartment, removed the film pack, and found the new
> batteries he installed to fix the flash problem - D-cells laid loosely in the space
>between the lens and film pack... Hmmm... That might account for the shadows...
>
Reminds me of the story about someone complaining to a
> I think the best evidence is how many people run file attachments in email
> without knowing what they are or what they do.
Or they send emails intended to be personal to a mailing-list. Like I just
did
sending a message in Spanish intended only for Albano.
My apologies to the list.
Hernan.
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You must moonlight as a Ritz
Camera
salesperson.
I had the opposite problem when buying film recently at Ritz: a salesman
second-guessing my informed choice:
Me: "Do you have any of the new Fujicolor 1600, the version that uses the
fourh color layer?
S
Hi,
Dorothy Parker was once challenged to think of a memorable sentence
involving the word 'horticulture'. She came up with "you can lead a
horticulture but you can't make her think" :o)
---
Bob
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"In my vocabulary 'art' is a dirty word" - Helmut Newton
Wednesday, M
Hi,
> Both based on the premise that the typical computer user is a complete
> idiot.
that seems like a reasonable assumption when you consider that one of
the best-selling series of books is called "The complete idiot's guide
to..."
---
Bob
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"In my vocabulary 'art
I used to work in a family owned (not mine unfortunately) now-defunct camera
store in Providence, RI (United Camera - ever hear of it?).
A guy comes in to the store. He has a 700- or 800-series Polaroid camera.
He is complaining of a problem with the pictures. There were big giant
shadows ove
looking like those professional ones. Talk about a lose-lose situation...
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From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of
NorthAmerica
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> What/Who is "Bob" and "Clippy"?
Two of the more asinine things Microsoft has tried to foist on us.
"Bob" was an interface developed for, I think, Windows 95. Your screen
was set up as Bob's house and you went to different rooms to do
different things. Childish, dippy a
ROTFLMAO!!!
William Robb wrote:
< hilarious stuff snipped >
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So, Shel, you're in the other 5%... ;-)
Martin
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From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of NorthAme
On Wed, 9 May 2001, William Robb wrote:
> You can lead em to the river, but you can't make them drink. If
> your lucky, they will fall in and drown though.
> William Robb
*L* That's a keeper, Bill. Thanks for the story. :)
chris
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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> How can subjective descriptions replace some knowledge about
film
> speed. However, if the cameras are all dumbed down to meet
the
> lowered and more simplistic descriptions of appropriate film,
and
> the sales people don't know squat, and
>
> Hi Issac ...
>
> Boy, do i disagree with you.
>
> > To me, Kodak's decision makes perfect sense. Keep in mind that 95% of
> > people don't know about film speed, and don't care.
>
> Where/how did you arrive at that figure? Was a survey made of
> this? Had you said many, most, a great per
Hi,
well, if you want to be digital you can count up to 1,048,575 before
you run out of fingers and toes, assuming the normal mammalian complement.
---
Bob
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"In my vocabulary 'art' is a dirty word" - Helmut Newton
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 3:48:26 PM, you wrote:
>>
William Robb wrote:
> I don't see new packaging as a way to end run around
> customer service. I suspect that there will still be a
> significant portion of the population that will need assurance
> that the product is right for their situation.
Customer: I need some film.
Salesperson: What
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> Hi Issac ...
>
> Boy, do i disagree with you.
>
> > To me, Kodak's decision makes perfect sense. Keep in mind
that 95% of
> > people don't know about film speed, and don't care.
>
> Where/how did you arrive at that figure? Was a survey made
do...
Paul M. Provencher
(ppro)
-Original Message-
From: Isaac Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of
NorthAmerica??
>
>
> My Gawd! Is it tr
> The packaging will no longer indicate "96 EXP",
> but rather the more arithmetically tractable "4 ROLLS"
This is a problem, as how might one know how many exposures there
are per roll? Another marketing ploy to offer less for more? We're
used to a "standard" roll being 36 exposures, a short
More information can be found at:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/pressReleases/pr20010502-02.shtml
Note that Kodachrome 25 and Royal Gold 1000 are being discontinued this year.
--Mike Nosal
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At 07:25 AM 5/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
>My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of mo
Just consider who the consumer isdubious graduates of inept schools who
cannot read, count, or reason, but probably have an undeserved high self
esteem. No wonder they get confused.
Jerry in Houston
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-- Original Message --
>addition to losing the prominent display of film speed, the new four-roll
>consumer packaging will also *not* include a picture of the four enclosed
film
>cassettes. Apparently this is too confusing or complicated for consumers
as
>well? The packaging will no longer ind
Shel wrote:
> My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles,
> or is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
Don't know if this is any indication of a trend, but I was in a local Target
store the other night (buying some film, in fact), and a customer asked a
store clerk
Unfortunately a little of both, or maybe a lot of both.
At 07:25 AM 5/9/2001 -0700, Shel wrote:
>My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles, or
>is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
>
>"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:
>
> > < > Eastman Kodak Co. today will announ
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Alling"
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing
down of North America??
> Unfortunately a little of both, or maybe a lot of both.
>
> At 07:25 AM 5/9/2001 -0700, Shel wrote:
> >My Gawd! Is it true that
"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:
>
> ..."Kodak Bright Sun" for 100 speed and "Kodak Max Versatility"
> for 400 speed. "We think this will be a lot more relevant to consumers than
> it is to be talking about film speed"
Do you suppose that the Microsoft guy who developed "Bob" and then
Clippy ha
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From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 9, 2001 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing
down of North America??
> Hi Brent and Chris,
>
> Fear-mongering an
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles, or
is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:
> < Eastman Kodak Co. today will announce a complete packaging makeover for its
> most recognizable and profitable products -- consumer film and
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth
>
> On Tue, 8 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I went by the closest thing to a pro lab today to buy some Kodak Royal
> Gold
&
I sent one of these with nothing in itignore that. Don't ignore this:
I went by the closest thing to a pro lab today to buy some Kodak Royal Gold
100 print film. The manager/owner behind the counter said something similar
to the following:
"We're all out of thatand chances are we m
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