Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-05 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Alan wrote: >Interesting that you mentioned AF OM camera. I think it's back to mid-90's >Pop.Photo. said there might be an OM-5 which was an AF camera, but then >nothing Is there any reference to prove an AF OM camera ever exist? Only camera magazine editors, but then I see no reason to do

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-05 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Sylwester wrote: >Very interesting. Do you know any resources on the net that could confirm >this? It's all in the patents, although you probably have to contact the patent lawyers to know who licensed what from who. Unfortunately, the patents are not available anymore without paying for the

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 04.04.02 10:15, PĆl Audun Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pentax patents on image stabilizing lenses are used by both Nikon and > Canon. They date back to '89 to '92 (if my memory serves me right). Theres > nothing unusual that camera companies don't launch products they develop; > Olympu

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-04 Thread Alan Chan
>Pentax patents on image stabilizing lenses are used by both Nikon and >Canon. They date back to '89 to '92 (if my memory serves me right). Theres >nothing unusual that camera companies don't launch products they develop; >Olympus had a professional, AF OM-series camera that never saw the light of

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-04 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Artur wrote: >How do you know that?! I was totally surprised... You say Pentax made IS >lenses 12 >years ago? And haven't introduced them into production so far? Then what's >the idea? The Pentax marketing, I'm sorry to say that, is blind. Pentax patents on image stabilizing lenses are used b

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Artur Ledóchowski
How do you know that?! I was totally surprised... You say Pentax made IS lenses 12 years ago? And haven't introduced them into production so far? Then what's the idea? The Pentax marketing, I'm sorry to say that, is blind. Don't tell me they have already made ultrasonic AF drives... However, eye

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread David Spaulding
> BTW Why on earth is this post labeled OT? > > > Pål Mostly because I didn't want it to turn into a rant. It was really something to look over ten years of photography (even thought it was throught the eyes of Popular Photography). Reading reviews, and seeing all of the different cameras that

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread David Spaulding
Pål wrote: > I do believe that Pentax was seriously hurt by AF. In '84 Pentax started > the release of their most ambitious and complete lens line and by '85 it > was obsolete due to the success of the Minolta 7000. In retrospect, Pentax > should have ditched the whole A-series of cameras and len

Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long

2002-04-03 Thread David Spaulding
> The first time I picked up an EOS I could not figure out > the controls by just playing around for a few minutes. > This doesn't make it bad, or inefficent, but you do have > to read the directions. > Compared to my ZX-5...I didn't have to read the instructions. Intuitive is not having to read

Re: Nikon N70 (was: Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread David Spaulding
> Aaron Reynolds wrote: God, I hate that camera. Though after a few moments > of careful study I could figure out its controls, they are laid out in such an > ugly, non-intuitive way that using that camera was almost physically painful > for me. > > Funny, Aaron: I have a 52-year-old friend w

Re: Nikon N70 (was: Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Funny, Aaron: I have a 52-year-old friend who got dragged kicking and > screaming into the autofocus world, finally replacing his beloved Canon > AE-1 for an N-70. He loves its interface and capabilities dearly and > before

Re: Nikon N70 (was: Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Brendan
The N70 interface is annoying and irritating to use, even with the manual you spend more time out of the finder trying to scroll through the menu and hitting several button combinations to get the functions you want. Not to mention it wasn't very reliable either, a little mositure and it would loc

Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long

2002-04-03 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 08:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The N70 probably had the slowest, clumsiest interface of > any camera made. Why? Because by making it menu driven > you didn't need the instruction manual. God, I hate that camera. Though after a few moments of careful study I

Vs: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Raimo Korhonen
t; Päivä: 03. huhtikuuta 2002 12:42 Aihe: Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long) >Bruce wrote: > > >>The K1000 and ME/ME Super were very popluar cameras. >>Notice how many of them are still around? > > >The ME-Super was a very po

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Bruce wrote: >The K1000 and ME/ME Super were very popluar cameras. >Notice how many of them are still around? The ME-Super was a very popular camera world wide. The K1000 success is more strange. Here, it didn't sell at all and is as easy to find as an Alpha. I believe that the K1000 was mai

Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Dave wrote: >I guess this is where I really have to disagree. I don't think that Pentax >was 'whacked' by the AF 'revolution'. I think that they, more than any other >company, understood what it would take to put out a decent product. I do believe that Pentax was seriously hurt by AF. In '84 P

AF camera history (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Bruce wrote: >I think that by looking back only to 1990 you miss the >sea state change started by Minolta with the first fully >integrated AF in 1985. Not only did the Minolta 7000 >start the AF revolution (yes I know about the Pentax ME- >F and the Nikon F3-AF), but also introduced a whole new

Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long)

2002-04-03 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Dave wrote: >About the time the F5 comes out, Pentax introduces the PZ-70, finally a >PZ-1p, and the ZX-5. Wasn't the (P)Z-1p released years before the F5? I bought my Z-1p in '95 and the F5 was shown in '96. >Pentax, on the other hand, goes way out into left field, and puts out the >ZX/MZ c

Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long

2002-04-02 Thread David Spaulding
> I think that by looking back only to 1990 you miss the > sea state change started by Minolta with the first fully > integrated AF in 1985. It is just where I started my search through the magazines. A decade looked good to me. I understand it missed a few things. > Ever since that time camera

Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long

2002-04-02 Thread Nitin Garg
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:35:45PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So what did Pentax do? They made cameras that seemed a > lot like everyone elses with a feature or two they could > call their own: power zoom & Hyper Programs for > instance. All the market progress they made in the 70's, >

Re: OT: An interesting evening - sorry, long

2002-04-02 Thread b_rubenstein
I think that by looking back only to 1990 you miss the sea state change started by Minolta with the first fully integrated AF in 1985. Not only did the Minolta 7000 start the AF revolution (yes I know about the Pentax ME- F and the Nikon F3-AF), but also introduced a whole new interface. Since