Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-13 Thread eckinator
Hi Bob So glad to hear they're well and I'll pray they stay that way! Cheers Ecke 2009/9/13 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Thanks Paul, they are doing fine.  Regards,  Bob S. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: That must have been tough Bob. I

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Ecke, Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:54 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bob So glad to hear they're well and I'll pray they stay that way! Cheers Ecke 2009/9/13 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Thanks Paul, they are doing fine.  Regards,  Bob S. On Sat,

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-12 Thread AlunFoto
Hope your boys came through allright, Bob. That's exactly the kind of situation I was thinking about for increased risk of getting MRSA infections. I believe some investigations have shown that misunderstandings about how to prevent infection among nurses and other healthcare personel must carry

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-12 Thread paul stenquist
That must have been tough Bob. I hope they're in full remission and everything is good. Paul On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:04 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Hope your boys came through allright, Bob. That's exactly the kind of situation I was thinking about for increased risk of getting MRSA infections. I

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Jostein. They are both OK so far. The oldest is 9 years out, so he's 'officially' cured. The whole thing gives you a lot of awareness of what goes on in the hospital. You need to be an advocate for your patient. After a lot of face to face contact, the staff gets more careful. I think

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Paul, they are doing fine. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: That must have been tough Bob. I hope they're in full remission and everything is good. Paul On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:04 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Hope your boys came

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
I reckon as a customer you can now demand the alternative, inorganic vegetables and fresh produce. Like Ralf used to say non-periodic table... However, seriously, I've noticed that myself few times when I went into supermarkets during my most recent visit to MD/DC area. Boris John Sessoms

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread AlunFoto
2009/9/8 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: What exactly *IS* organic? How does a product qualify to have that label? It's like things labeled natural. It doesn't mean anything. What I do know is that unless you _are_ a vegetable, there's no such thing as inorganic food. :-) What defined as

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread eckinator
The principal difference to me is that organic fruit and vegetables reduce the amount of fertilizers and persticides polluting our water and that organic meat even more importantly reduces the amount of antibiotics released into the environment. Antibiotics are in fact traceable in almost all

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread AlunFoto
Be careful about overdramatising antibiotics occurence in nature. Antibiotics occur naturally in any habitat suitable for fungal growth. I think it is a mistake to put multi-resistant bacterias in hospitals into this mix. It has very little to do with use of pesticides in agriculture, or

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread eckinator
Glad you go into so much detail =) What I was trying to do was to point out the bigger picture in somewhat simpler terms. Yes, there is natural occurrence of ABs but synthetic ones are clearly traceable and we cannot ignore their impact in terms of promoting resistance. MRSA was an illustration

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread AlunFoto
2009/9/11 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: I guess I am oversensitive though because I have the feeling that most people around me just don't give a flying fuck about these things with the sorry excuse that nothing they can do will change or save a thing. I believe we think quite similarly about

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Again be careful. MRSA deaths are an old people nursing home problem, after significant hospital stays and treatment. I expect germs and antibotic are each 100X the typical occurence. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:11 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Glad you go into so

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread eckinator
2009/9/11 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: MRSA deaths are an old people nursing home problem, after significant hospital stays and treatment. To a point. As for morbidity/mortality rates, point taken. As for infections, please see

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread AlunFoto
2009/9/11 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Again be careful.  MRSA deaths are an old people nursing home problem, after significant hospital stays and treatment. I expect germs and antibotic are each 100X the typical occurence. Regards,  Bob S. Fortunately, it's still mostly true that the

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread mike wilson
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Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
I mean the incidence of germs and infections in the aged nursing home/hospitalized folks is 100 times normal and the use of antibiotics on this group is 100 times normal. Here we have a population that is cronically ill and generously medicated to try and keep them alive. Regards, Bob S. On

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Both of my boys went thru 3 rounds of chemotherapy for testicular cancer, 9 and 3 years ago. 3 x (one week in the hospital with 24 hour IV drip, then 2 weeks off to recover blood counts). They were pretty well wiped out by the 3rd round and the hospital got better about infection protection as

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread eckinator
And by the same token, less of that stuff to contaminate you, too. In Germany they tested green peppers in 2007 and found pesticide residue as much as 200 times the legal limit. Also, organic protects me from genetically engineered food which causes quite a number of well documented issues in

RE: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread Bob W
Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. Everything? That's amazing - even Whole Foods Market has conventional as well as organic produce. I can't see or

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread mike wilson
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. I can't see or detect any difference

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ecke, Haven't heard of this documented before. Better watch out for Wheat, the MOST genetically engineered crop...for thousands of years. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com wrote: And by the same token, less of that stuff to contaminate you, too. In

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread eckinator
Hi Bob [... insert random Monsanto is EVIL rant here ...] It is all visible in documentaries by the BBC and the like who have nothing to gain from it except lawsuits. Plus Percy Schmeister gave his lifetime savings to defeat them and spends his time fighting them for a REASON. Cheers Ecke

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
The only reason I can see, and it is a good one, are the single harvest seeds. Since agriculture began farmers have planted their fields with the best seeds saved from the previous years harvest. Lots of farmers don't do that any more. It's easier to just buy seed for the new crop, but the

RE: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread Bob W
The thing is this looks like the agro-giants are just relabeling. It would be one thing if the prices on produce had gone up, but what it looks like to me is they're trying to hide a price hike behind a new buzzword. What exactly *IS* organic? How does a product qualify to have that

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: What exactly *IS* organic? How does a product qualify to have that label? It's like things labeled natural. It doesn't mean anything. Yes it does. In fact, that's precisely the *difference* between natural and organic: The former doesn't mean anything but food has to meet

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-08 Thread John Sessoms
From: mike wilson P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. I can't see or detect any

OT: Organic

2009-09-07 Thread John Sessoms
Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. I can't see or detect any difference other than the higher prices. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. I can't see or detect any difference other than the higher prices. Organic is a tax on the gullible.

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-07 Thread paul stenquist
Find a new supermarket. You should at least have the option of choice. Paul On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:36 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-07 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. Everything? That's amazing - even Whole Foods Market has conventional as well as organic produce. I

Re: OT: Organic

2009-09-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling John Sessoms wrote: Noticed when I went grocery shopping this week that the local chain supermarket I shop at no longer carries regular vegetables fresh produce. Everything is now Organic. I can't see or detect any difference other than the higher prices. Organic is