Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, in principle you might be right. Here is a true story for you - happened to one of my co-workers. He was fired. Then in a rather cloak-n-dagger manner it was suggested to him that his boss was fired at the same time. Further, the true target of the operation wasn't him, so that they'd be

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Brian Walters Quoting Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. Did you forget this? http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/pentax-x-5/4505-6501_7-35419334.html

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob Sullivan Boris, You can't get fired for having the same opinion as the boss. Regards, Bob S. Oh yes you can. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
We are not the only market Pentax is selling to. If we were, the many colored body parts chosen to order would be in Best Buy right now. But it isn't. Star Wars was fun at first, but now it looks like it should be in an OR, hot out of the sterilizer. We are, for the most part, looking what is

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Boris Liberman
Joseph, you're certainly right. You will notice however that about 12 words into my message I've put IMVHO - In My Very Humble Opinion, and I meant just that. My second guessing of these marketing people however many are there is based on the fact that the likes of Panasonic and Sony were not

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
OK then. On Aug 21, 2012, at 23:37 , Boris Liberman wrote: Joseph, you're certainly right. You will notice however that about 12 words into my message I've put IMVHO - In My Very Humble Opinion, and I meant just that. My second guessing of these marketing people however many are there is

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-22 24:19 Joseph McAllister wrote Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. as a general statement, i disagree; you over-exalt the very messy, often fatally flawed, process of

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I think the specifications I read on it said equivalent to 17mm but you know it's Pentax so they could have meant 17mm on APS-C... On 8/21/2012 11:41 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/21/2012 6:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all Pentax AF

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 07:29:50AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. not my K-5 upgrade - I like having a

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse still, the hunches of young and inexperienced people. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Aug 22,

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to use. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) I guess it

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Boris Liberman
On 8/22/2012 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse still, the hunches of young and inexperienced

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Boris Liberman
On 8/23/2012 5:47 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to use. Easy to carry and fun to use, you say. What about the quality of the end result, Steve? -- PDML

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. Did you forget this? http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/pentax-x-5/4505-6501_7-35419334.html $280 is a good price.

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Larry Colen
If this camera had a better sensor, when mine was stolen I wouldn't have replaced it with a DSLR: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz50 This camera was pretty much the pinnacle of point and shoot user interface design. Two thumbwheels, two rings on the lens, one for zoom, one for

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris, You can't get fired for having the same opinion as the boss. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/22/2012 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near Q with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be awesome. It is the perfect time to make people

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
This guy certainly gets it link: http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f90/pentax-q-real-world-user-review-11773/index4.html#post91442 You'll find Pinholecam on seriouscompacts.com and pentaxforums.com On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No, I believe it is a Super

Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the kit lens a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency. Think iPhone quality sensor only LARGER instead of so much smaller than APS-C. Even Pentax Full Frame buyers are going to own an X-5. It is like the Ultimate 4x Teleconverter for all

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:29, Darren Addy wrote: Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. PS Superzoom. -Charles -- Charles Robinson -

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:16, Darren Addy wrote: I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the kit lens a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency. I see no mechanism/switch/whatever for removing the lens. The promo refers to the camera itself (not the supplied lens) as a 26x

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. I don't see any sort of a lens release button on the pictures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est --

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Bruce Walker
It's a bridge camera. Superzoom non-detachable lens. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I sort of missed the lens. 4.0 to 105mm ? 4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Igor Roshchin
It is obvious that it is non-changeable lens: words 16 megapixels are written on the lens. (and as couple of people mentioned, - no lens release button is visible) Igor On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea,

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: Darren Addy No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. It says right in the blog that it's a super-zoom point shoot. Previous Pentax 'X' cameras: X70

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Yep, well I've been convinced that this is not an interchangable lens camera (and that it is the same sensor size as the Q), which means that they used some of their Q knowledge to make it. I guess it confuses me that they make the Q and K-01 interchangeable lens but no viewfinder, and then make

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Tom C
Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) I guess it confuses me that they make the Q and K-01. Yes that confuses me also. I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized sensor. I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Don Guthrie
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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
It depends on three things 1.) Quality of the lens, 2.) Quality of the firmware, 3.) Processing speed, otherwise it's just another me to ZLR with cosmetics to make it look like a K-5. Let's face it, if it's just another PS camera the market is saturated with them. Now I have to go shower,

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: Darren Addy Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. Probably not - 16 Megapixel, 26x Ultra-Zoom Point and Shoot Comparable to the Sony

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Actually, I sort of missed the lens. 4.0 to 105mm ? 4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Is there really anything on that body that looks like a lens release to you? You know that notiable button which on Pentax K sits in the lower right hand quadrant of the lens mount, say just about where the SR logo is. Anybody who thinks images of the Pentax X-5 represents an interchangeable

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
No, if I forgot to post it here... I have been convinced now that it is not interchangable lens. I do think it will have the Q-sized sensor (since Sony does make a 16mp version) and I think the question now is: will it shoot RAW? If so, it is only the 2nd camera in its class to let you do that. I

Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Boris Liberman
On 8/21/2012 6:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all Pentax AF cameras) would be a button that could be programmed to focus any AF lens to hyperfocal distance and then read out the min/max distances on the LCD. My Ricoh GXR has it. It is