Re: K-3 @ Sept Photokina?

2012-06-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Postmaster Matthew Hunt wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: More from the rumour mill: K-3 FF @ September Photokina: the world?s most compact full frame. http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/18/pentax-to-announce-the-k3-full-frame-dslr

Re: K-3 @ Sept Photokina?

2012-06-18 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 18/6/12, Postmaster, discombobulated, unleashed: Where's Tan? Does this confirm what your Aussie sources say? She's a bit predisposed at the moment - but sure she will get back to us in due course -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

Re: K-3 @ Sept Photokina?

2012-06-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: More from the rumour mill: K-3 FF @ September Photokina: the world?s most compact full frame. http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/18/pentax-to-announce-the-k3-full-frame-dslr-at-photokina/ I like how the previous rumors paragraph regurgitates

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-10-05 Thread Joseph McAllister
Jump on the spiral up staircase why don't ya! Bigger Sensor? More Mega-Pixel$… Fa$ter proce$$or in the camera, faster larger $D card$, longer tran$fer times to your computer, Fa$ter computer, more RAM, Larger $torage, new I/O $pecification$ to enable better transfer times, means another

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-10-05 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 27, 2010, at 07:23 , William Robb wrote: It like having a whole group of ADHD anal retentives in the same room griping about how the new caramel Mars bar isn't as nice as the white chocolate Mars bar because there is goo inside the caramel bar. Wrong! We'd gripe about how the

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
BTW, I tried panning around a very dark room with LV on the K7. It was perfectly smooth but I got the glass of water effect, i.e., the image continued to briefly move after I stopped. I got a very similar effect with the E-P1. Of course, I find that when I shoot on LV I use the screen form

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:08, Steven Desjardins wrote: BTW, I tried panning around a very dark room with LV on the K7. It was perfectly smooth but I got the glass of water effect, i.e., the image continued to briefly move after I stopped. Could this not be partially attributable to the SR

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'll try again tonight turning SR off. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:08, Steven Desjardins wrote: BTW, I tried panning around a very dark room with LV on the K7.  It was perfectly smooth but I got the glass of water effect,

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: ... snippage... It is therefore my conclusion that I should divest (is it the right term as opposed to invest?) myself of most of my gear and keep the investment to the absolute minimum as least as long as the times are a-changing...

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
: -- From: P N Stenquist Subject: Re: Photokina observations... I wouldn't describe Pentax is stalled. The upgrades have been  continuous. There have never been any official rumors of a larger  sensor in a Pentax compact DSLR body. (What's full? Al sensors

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:02 PM, Tom C wrote: What irks me and makes me NOT so excited about any new Pentax offering is that the K10D and K20D were released to the public with some, IMO, serious flaws. Flaws so serious that my K20D is a brick on the shelf and that I would have a hard time, as others

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
And she's how old? On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/27/2010 3:02 PM, Tom C wrote: What irks me and makes me NOT so excited about any new Pentax offering is that the K10D and K20D were released to the public with some, IMO, serious flaws.  Flaws so

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Thibouille
Hehe, prepare to be surprised ;) 2010/9/27 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: And she's how old? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:47 PM, Tom C wrote: And she's how old? She'll turn 9 in October. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Thibouille
I can swearthat when set up properly (had to switch the camera to English 'cos really, German isn't my cup of tea) there's an option called (more or less) 'Long exposure NR'. That set to OFF and the 3 minutes B pose was done without DFS. Before I set that option, and long exposure was followed by

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:50 PM, Thibouille wrote: Hehe, prepare to be surprised ;) Well, to further the surprise :-). She is shooting with Pentax since age 6. She started with Optio W30 and then a year ago graduated or better yet forcefully inherited her father's K10D with three lenses. She is also

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:54 PM, Thibouille wrote: I can swearthat when set up properly (had to switch the camera to English 'cos really, German isn't my cup of tea) there's an option called (more or less) 'Long exposure NR'. That set to OFF and the 3 minutes B pose was done without DFS. Indeed, if this

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:54 PM, Thibouille wrote: I can swearthat when set up properly (had to switch the camera to English 'cos really, German isn't my cup of tea) there's an option called (more or less) 'Long exposure NR'. That set to OFF and the 3 minutes B pose was done without DFS. Indeed, if this

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some operator error, why was not Pentax not aware of and/or remedy the problem prior to release? The answer is obvious. First sales trumped

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Thibouille
But then Boris, did you experienced the same problems? It'd be useful to answer that question. 2010/9/27 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 3:58 PM, Tom C wrote: So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some operator error, why was not Pentax not aware of and/or remedy the problem prior to release? I should point out that she is

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Thibouille
2010/9/27 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: P.S. You're to blame, Thibs. When we were in that Automotive Museum in Brussels I let her try my K10D with FA 43 attached. She said she liked it. The rest is herstory ;-). I'm happy if I'm responsible for this :) -- Thibault Massart aka

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 4:00 PM, Thibouille wrote: But then Boris, did you experienced the same problems? It'd be useful to answer that question. Indeed. I haven't used K10D for quite a while now... I will give it a run. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Davis
Assume nothing from my typo; in seems. Furthest thing from my mind...really. ;) Jack --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, September 26

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread William Robb
-- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... What irks me and makes me NOT so excited about any new Pentax offering is that the K10D and K20D were released to the public with some, IMO, serious flaws. Flaws so serious that my K20D

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread William Robb
-- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some operator error, why

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
or foolish with my money (or at least some of it). Tom C, On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... What irks me and makes me NOT so excited about any new Pentax

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 4:23 PM, William Robb wrote: I read PentaxForums from time to time. You want to see a more snivelling bunch of airheads than them, you'd have to put 2000 little kids in a room with a big bowl of candy, and take the bowl away before any of them get to it. They whine because the K-x

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
want prime focus to be in the scene. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:23 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... What irks me and makes me NOT so excited about any new Pentax offering is that the K10D and K20D were released to the public

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread William Robb
-- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Photokina observations... By the way, if 15MP camera from Canon is a monster then so qualifies K-5 as well ;-). I was thinking in terms of physical size and weight, not mp count. William Robb

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread William Robb
-- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... I couldn't care less whether people like what I say about Pentax or not. Well maybe a little less. :-) My point was I think Pentax has had an interim history of producing some either flawed

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread William Robb
-- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... A person of any age should not 'outgrow' what is a basic operating aspect of a camera. Why not? When I was 12 and got my first camera, I inherited a mid 50s era Fuji Rangefinder. Within

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Steven Desjardins
, 2010 at 10:31 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... That's what I thought. So if a 9-year old is having problems with an aspect of a Pentax system not working correctly, assuming lack of focus is not due to some operator error, why was not Pentax not aware

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: I was thinking in terms of physical size and weight, not mp count. William Robb Roger that. Just yesterday I got a third party grip for my K-7. It is positively a monster now. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
that want my money, so let's not be to hard on them). On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... A person of any age should not 'outgrow' what is a basic operating

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Tom C
AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations... A person of any age should not 'outgrow' what is a basic operating aspect of a camera. Why not? When I was 12 and got my first camera, I inherited

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
There was much bitching and moaning on the Canon forums about the flawed auto focus on Canons professional cameras a couple of years ago. On 9/27/2010 11:18 AM, William Robb wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina observations

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Davis
...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 8:15 AM Hooplah on the list about a Canon/Nikon killer? Really?  The PDML?  My observation is that each new Pentax

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:12, Tom C wrote: Come to think of it I bought it at Costco. I bet they'll take it back regardless and let me apply the purchase price to a different model. My basic understanding of electronics purchases through CostCo is that they extend the warranty by a year - I

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Costco has generous return policies. Dan On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:12, Tom C wrote: Come to think of it I bought it at Costco.  I bet they'll take it back regardless and let me apply the purchase price to a different

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-27 Thread Steven Desjardins
of the industry stop in its tracks).  Had I bought other systems I might have similar gripes, but I wouldnt know for sure till I laid out the cash. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Tom C Subject: Re: Photokina

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread mike wilson
Thibouille wrote: Last hours to ask me whatever you want me to check ! Next door neighbour's son is seriously considering a K5 for its (apparently leading-edge) video capabilities. Can you see if it has the same limitation wrt overheating as present models, please? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread drd1135
List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photokina in a few hours... Thibouille wrote: Last hours to ask me whatever you want me to check ! Next door neighbour's son is seriously considering a K5 for its (apparently leading-edge) video capabilities. Can you see if it has the same limitation wrt

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Northeast Media
?What colours do they come in ? - Original Message - From: drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Photokina in a few hours... Pentax has solved that problem. The K5 comes with s pair of Pentax-emblazoned

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
lock-up. Thanks, Jack --- On Sat, 9/25/10, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com Subject: Photokina in a few hours... To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 8:26 PM Last hours to ask me whatever you want me to check ! -- Thibault

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
Jack, MLU is there, I can confirm it. Dario - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Photokina in a few hours... Thibouille, Am wondering about mirror lock-up. I've read

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
K-5 MLU is the same as in the K-7, i.e. an item in the drive mode menu accessible by the 'arrow-up' button. Dario - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Photokina

Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Thibouille
1/ pentax gave some cool bags 2/ there were some pretty nice girls there ;) 3/ the Fuji x100 is Very Very nice specially it's hybrid viewfinder, Imo it will sell well (considering it's niche). 4/ K5 AF is indeed more nervous, how much better af-c s hard to tell though 5/ 18-135 is nice, large but

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
I hadn't heard nervous applied to AF before but I know exactly what you mean. The K7 is good but get's like that sometimes. I also suspect the 645D's sensor and price point will make up for many peculiarities that would be considered flaws in other cameras. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:47 AM,

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
My overall feeling is the Pentax is stalled in RD. There have been rumors of a full-sized sensor Pentax, which would be wonderful for us who have Pentax lenses designed for film (that would be ALL of my Pentax lenses except for the 40mm pancake). There is little that would entice me to move

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
Seemed an obvious spec sheet omission. Thanks, Dario! Jack --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it Subject: Re: Photokina in a few hours... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
Pentax hasn't sold cutting edge cameras in a while. Having a platform like the top Canikon body lets a company know where the top is and then they can do what they can in other bodies to fit a price point. Pentax is forced to lag and emphasize other lower tech features like size and WR in hopes

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
To the price of a lottery ticket. :) Jack --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 9:06 AM Pentax hasn't sold

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-26 11:47, Thibouille wrote: 11/ buffer (bummer) very short indeed due to 14bit raw but they may change that or add a 12bit mode. Well, that's /really/ annoying. Increase the trigger rate to 7 fps but leave it with a puny little buffer. Dunderheads. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ)

RE: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Bob W
11/ buffer (bummer) very short indeed due to 14bit raw but they may change that or add a 12bit mode. Well, that's /really/ annoying. Increase the trigger rate to 7 fps but leave it with a puny little buffer. Dunderheads. not so. Among the requirements for any new Pentax is 'there shall

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-09-26 11:47, Thibouille wrote: 11/ buffer (bummer) very short indeed due to 14bit raw but they may change that or add a 12bit mode. Well, that's /really/ annoying. Increase the trigger rate to 7 fps but leave it with a puny little buffer. Dunderheads. I 'm

Re: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Photokina in a few hours... Pentax has solved that problem. The K5 comes with s pair of Pentax-emblazoned oven mitts. -Original Message- From: mike wilson m.9.wil

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
In my opinion, the K-5 badly needs: 1 - A way to kill the evil LV button, preventing it to flash the screen on your face while trying to change the AF point at eye level. A menu option for disabling it (or doubling it as the 'left arrow' button) and re-allocating the LV function to the trash

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Not that far for me, /if/ I needed the capability, but I see no immediate need. The K20 already allows prints bigger than I would reasonably attempt with 35mm film, (after some initial experimentation when I had access to a full commercial darkroom). The whole reason for a large sensor is

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
The most impressive thing I saw at photokina was the contrast AF of the Panny GH2. Quick (and I mean quick!) and effective, also on the gray carpet of the booth, where all DSLR's I tried failed! A Panasonic GF2 is definitely in my wish list, as I like the GF-series form factor better then the G

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Thibouille
no other VF. 2010/9/26, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it: The most impressive thing I saw at photokina was the contrast AF of the Panny GH2. Quick (and I mean quick!) and effective, also on the gray carpet of the booth, where all DSLR's I tried failed! A Panasonic GF2 is definitely in my

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Thibouille
good question Steven (about 645d price). I wouldn't be surprised to see either an upgraded version, causing older version to fall in price or a 'low end' version to complement the current one. Let's say in one year. 645D is surprisingly easy to use, big but it does not get in the way. VF is

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Thibouille
14/ as requested by many, intervalometer can go as high as 999 pictures. 15/ raw button can be set to a couple other functions including braketing. 16/ firmware was 0.30 so a couple things might still change, Kr firmware was 1.00 17/ leica gave away some little (too litle) pins. If I cut the end

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Graydon
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:04:10PM +0200, Thibouille scripsit: good question Steven (about 645d price). I wouldn't be surprised to see either an upgraded version, causing older version to fall in price or a 'low end' version to complement the current one. Let's say in one year. I figure that

RE: Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-26 Thread Bob W
Check out the K-r page for color choices... I'm not going to say I like this combo but it might be nice in oven mitts... http://www.camera-pentax.jp/k-r/simulator.php#070406 it's what Henri would have wanted. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-26 12:14, Bob W wrote: 11/ buffer (bummer) very short indeed due to 14bit raw but they may change that or add a 12bit mode. Well, that's /really/ annoying. Increase the trigger rate to 7 fps but leave it with a puny little buffer. Dunderheads. not so. Among the requirements

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P N Stenquist
I wouldn't describe Pentax is stalled. The upgrades have been continuous. There have never been any official rumors of a larger sensor in a Pentax compact DSLR body. (What's full? Al sensors are full size if they're not nicked or chipped.) The K5 is substantially improved over the K7. But

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
By full-sized, I was referring to a sensor that was the size of 35mm film (24mmx36mm or thereabouts). What on earth is an official rumor? Jeffert On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:33 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: I wouldn't describe Pentax is stalled. The upgrades have been continuous. There have never

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/9/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: What on earth is an official rumor? Mark!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: By full-sized, I was referring to a sensor that was the size of 35mm film (24mmx36mm or thereabouts). What on earth is an official rumor? A credible one. One that can be traced back to people who might actually have some real information.

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P N Stenquist
My bad. I should have said a credible rumor. An official rumor is somewhat akin to a full-size sensor. Paul On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Cotty wrote: On 26/9/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: What on earth is an official rumor? Mark!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O)

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread drd1135
List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photokina observations... On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:04:10PM +0200, Thibouille scripsit: good question Steven (about 645d price). I wouldn't be surprised to see either an upgraded version, causing older version to fall in price or a 'low end' version to complement

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My bad. I should have said a credible rumor. An official rumor is somewhat akin to a full-size sensor. Wanted by all, but in practical terms insignificant in the benefits it brings ...? -- Godfrey  

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My bad. I should have said a credible rumor. An official rumor is somewhat akin to a full-size sensor. Wanted by all, but in practical terms insignificant

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
Means it has absolutely no basis. Only a rumor. J --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 11:46 AM By full-sized

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
is admittedly unofficial. Jeffery On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Means it has absolutely no basis. Only a rumor. J --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/9/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: There was talk of a full-frame Pentax being released in 2010 M. http://www.cottysnaps.com/yum.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
at photokina 2000: http://www.aohc.it/pkin2000/protdig1a.jpg All else was the thinnest possible vaporware. I'm still convinced that a serious mirrorless system is now a priority over FF for Pentax and I cannot believe they are going to build two new lens outfits (FF mirrorless) at a time. Best

Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Cotty wrote that Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: There was talk of a full-frame Pentax being released in 2010 Makes me recall the phrase of Jerry Pournelle in so many Byte columns: Real Soon Now. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't forget the Tabasco. On 9/26/2010 4:50 PM, Cotty wrote: On 26/9/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: There was talk of a full-frame Pentax being released in 2010 M. http://www.cottysnaps.com/yum.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places,

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
Despite keeping relatively high prices, mirrorless systems are told to have already taken 12% of sales on interchangeable-lens systems in Japan, and growing quickly. I wonder what Canon Nikon are waiting for jumping on the boat... Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Nikon and Canon, are probably worried that mirrorless systems will cannibalize their current entry level DSLR business. Sony Pentax and Olympus have much less to loose and much more to gain. On 9/26/2010 5:50 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Despite keeping relatively high prices, mirrorless systems

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
I agree with the gist of this. People focus (no pun intended) on FF systems as the way to go because there are so many lenses out there built for this format. Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, etc. are beginning to have extensive lens systems based on smaller formats. Given the quality of the sensors

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
For me, it's the DOF that is the biggest point. The 25/1.4 Summilux is a great lens, but a 25mm lens has a huge DOF compared to a 50/1.4 wide open. Jeffery On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I agree with the gist of this. People focus (no pun intended) on FF systems

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Miserere
I thought the consensus was that DFS couldn't be turned off for exposures over 30s... So which is it!? --M. On 26 September 2010 11:47, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: 1/ pentax gave some cool bags 2/ there were some pretty nice girls there ;) 3/ the Fuji x100 is Very Very nice

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
I understand, but we got used to one system (35mm) because we had to. It was a trade-off of weight and size relative to 120. People will adjust to the new smaller format, and blur their background in Photoshop. Or better, the camera will do it. You choose max DOF or less and the camera

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
I'm resigned to the fact that things may stay pretty much where they are for the foreseeable future (Canon and Nikon for full-frame). But I'm so smitten with the tininess of the K-x and the high quality of the 31, 43, and 77 Pentax lenses, I don't feel particularly deprived right now. Jeffery

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I agree with the gist of this. People focus (no pun intended) on FF systems as the way to go because there are so many lenses out there built for this format. The difference between 24x36 and APS sensor camera systems? Two years and

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread drd1135
- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:09:00 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photokina observations... On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I agree

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Photokina observations... To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:09 PM On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I agree with the gist of this.  People focus

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread William Robb
-- From: P N Stenquist Subject: Re: Photokina observations... I wouldn't describe Pentax is stalled. The upgrades have been continuous. There have never been any official rumors of a larger sensor in a Pentax compact DSLR body. (What's full

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread William Robb
-- From: Jeffery Smith Subject: Re: Photokina observations... By full-sized, I was referring to a sensor that was the size of 35mm film (24mmx36mm or thereabouts). You mean a 135 format sensor. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Photokina observations...

2010-09-26 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/27/2010 5:50 AM, William Robb wrote: From: P N Stenquist Subject: Re: Photokina observations... I wouldn't describe Pentax is stalled. The upgrades have been continuous. There have never been any official rumors of a larger sensor in a Pentax compact DSLR body. (What's full? Al sensors

Photokina in a few hours...

2010-09-25 Thread Thibouille
Last hours to ask me whatever you want me to check ! -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML

Photokina - yet more cheapskating by Hoya

2010-09-18 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Looks as if they don't have enough staff left at Pentax Germany to man the Pentax booth at Photokina. The whole booth will be run by their ad agency who are also providing the people to demonstrate the products and answer visitors' questions. This ad... http://www.promotionbasis.de

Re: Photokina - yet more cheapskating by Hoya

2010-09-18 Thread Miserere
. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment 2010/9/18 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Looks as if they don't have enough staff left at Pentax Germany to man the Pentax booth at Photokina. The whole booth

Re: Photokina - yet more cheapskating by Hoya

2010-09-18 Thread P N Stenquist
/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment 2010/9/18 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Looks as if they don't have enough staff left at Pentax Germany to man the Pentax booth at Photokina. The whole booth will be run by their ad

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