Re: Strange old colour film

2014-03-02 Thread mike wilson
On 28/02/2014, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:14 am, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: It looks like a 3 or 4 color separation offset print so my guess would be with Paul that it is a photo of an image printed in a magazine. Is the same pattern visible if you

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-03-02 Thread mike wilson
On 28/02/2014, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Under a 10x loupe I can only barely make out that there are separated primary colours so this detail is is incredibly fine. If it is a photo of a print then it's a really very seriously bloody sharp one. Or I'll read Steve's post next and

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Bob W-PDML
See if anyone here can help: www.rps.org/special-interest-groups/historical B On 28 Feb 2014, at 02:43, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: I had a reply from the camera shop: --- Our in-store committee thinks it might be a copy-neg/slide from a litho original, hence seeing all the

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Mark C
It looks like a 3 or 4 color separation offset print so my guess would be with Paul that it is a photo of an image printed in a magazine. Is the same pattern visible if you look at the print directly under a loup? I assume it is there. If not it would probably be a scanning artifact. Sounds

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread David Mann
On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:14 am, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: It looks like a 3 or 4 color separation offset print so my guess would be with Paul that it is a photo of an image printed in a magazine. Is the same pattern visible if you look at the print directly under a loup? I assume it

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread John
Might it be a photo of an old picture post card? For what it's worth, plug this number into Google Maps: -43.606235,172.645487 ... and go to street view, looking SE. On 2/27/2014 4:57 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I suspect that someone photographed magazine pages. I don’t think the dot pattern

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread steve harley
on 2014-02-28 11:37 David Mann wrote I took the opportunity to bring the slide along so we could look at it under the microscope and we managed to get a photo by holding her iPhone up to the eyepiece. I was skeptical but it came out rather well. This is a crop of the full-size photo to

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread David Mann
On Mar 1, 2014, at 9:18 am, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-28 11:37 David Mann wrote I took the opportunity to bring the slide along so we could look at it under the microscope and we managed to get a photo by holding her iPhone up to the eyepiece. I was skeptical but it

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread steve harley
on 2014-02-28 14:03 David Mann wrote I might be getting somewhere... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paget_process yes, that is close; i found some samples of the Paget pattern, and it appears somewhat different from your slide, e.g.:

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 10:03:06AM +1300, David Mann wrote: On Mar 1, 2014, at 9:18 am, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-28 11:37 David Mann wrote I might be getting somewhere... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paget_process ...but 1951 seems awfully late for such a

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread David Mann
On Mar 1, 2014, at 10:46 am, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-28 14:03 David Mann wrote I might be getting somewhere... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paget_process yes, that is close; i found some samples of the Paget pattern, and it appears somewhat different from your

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Mark C
Great sleuthing and an interesting printing process! Mark On 2/28/2014 4:46 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-02-28 14:03 David Mann wrote I might be getting somewhere... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paget_process yes, that is close; i found some samples of the Paget pattern, and it appears

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
David Mann wrote: On Mar 1, 2014, at 10:46 am, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-28 14:03 David Mann wrote I might be getting somewhere... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paget_process yes, that is close; i found some samples of the Paget pattern, and it appears somewhat

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread David Mann
On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:22 pm, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: This is a really fascinating investigation! Would you like me to call my friend at the George Eastman House and see if they have any more information on this? That'd be great if you could. I thought about sending an

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
David Mann wrote: On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:22 pm, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: This is a really fascinating investigation! Would you like me to call my friend at the George Eastman House and see if they have any more information on this? That'd be great if you could. I thought

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
I suspect that someone photographed magazine pages. I don’t think the dot pattern is in the film. Paul On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:32 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Here's something the more experienced photographers might be able to help me with... Among these old slides I've been

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread Dario Bonazza
Unless it is Polachrome: http://blog.timesunion.com/chuckmiller/playing-with-polaroids-polachrome-instant-slide-film/5835/ Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Strange old colour film I

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread Dario Bonazza
However, Polachrome was 1983 (I shot a couple rolls back then), not 1951. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Strange old colour film I suspect that someone photographed magazine pages. I

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread steve harley
on 2014-02-27 14:32 David Mann wrote Here's something the more experienced photographers might be able to help me with... Among these old slides I've been scanning are a handful of colour ones which are not part of the Australian stuff. A few of these colour ones (but not all) appear to

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread David Mann
On Feb 28, 2014, at 12:27 pm, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: can you post a snip at 100%? OK since it's started raining and I have nothing better to do I've rescanned a section at 4800ppi. It just gets weirder. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/777/ It's definitely RGB but in a

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread CollinB
At first glance I wonder if they were created with some early type of film recorder. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread David Mann
I had a reply from the camera shop: --- Our in-store committee thinks it might be a copy-neg/slide from a litho original, hence seeing all the lines from the pre-press screens used in the print process. If not that, then we’re in the dark too. --- I'm interested to know what others think.

RE: Strange old colour film

2014-02-27 Thread John Coyle
I wonder whether the image is the result of an early scanning process, perhaps a wirephoto? I don't think it could be the result of one of the late 19th. early 20th.century colour film processes, as the colour bands suggest some sort of mechanical scan, rather than the random arrangement of