On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:08:28AM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> Here in my area there are a number of retail shops that are pure winners.
> One thing that all have in common is that the owners are on the premises
> all or most of the working day. They are able to answer questions and
> expla
Tim,
I think most of us on the list have similar experiences. It's a shame how
retail service has fallen off in so many instances, yet there are still
retailers that thrive and grow and maintaining many, many happy customers
over the years.
There's a camera store across town from where I live, a
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Øsleby"
Subject: RE: Support your Local Camera Shop (was: Re: Price of K10D in
Oz)
>I could not agree more John. Support your community, and all that.
>That's
> all good shit.
>
> But unfortunately that's all it
I could not agree more John. Support your community, and all that. That's
all good shit.
But unfortunately that's all it is, shit. In my little community I have a
local photo store. Right there, 100 meters away from my house. But no Pentax
gear. When I go there, the boss is never in, and those who
On 27/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Suits moi just tres bien. It's a nice place - they're very friendly,
>and they're trying something different, so I like to encourage them by
>occasionally eating their noodles.
Okay, looks like I'll give it a try. I'm in the centre on Monday - stil
>
> >
> >Slurp a bowl of ramen while you're fondling your aperture:
> >http://www.cameracafe.co.uk/
>
> Hmmm, I detect a feint whiff of pretentiousness.
>
> --
Suits moi just tres bien. It's a nice place - they're very friendly,
and they're trying something different, so I like to encourag
On 27/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>Slurp a bowl of ramen while you're fondling your aperture:
>http://www.cameracafe.co.uk/
Hmmm, I detect a feint whiff of pretentiousness.
--
Cheers,
Cotty
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 27 October 2006 08:42
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Support your Local Camera Shop (was: Re: Price
> of K10D in Oz)
>
> On 26/10/06, Bob W, discombobula
A rich friend of mine was like that to some degree. As he was
comparing prices and features on a product one day, he asked my
opinion. I replied that he could easily afford any of the choices so
just pick the one with the best features. Why worry about
price/performance and such?
His reply was
On 26/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> know which shop you mean, and it is pretty dismal. I'm surprised
>they're still in business. Most of the other traditional camera shops
>in London are pretty good. Have you tried the Japanese nearby? He has
>masses of used Nikon and Canon stock, bu
I am fortunate. In my metro area of 1.5 million or so people, there are
two good camera stores. The larger one, that does Canon and Nikon, is
about 40 minutes away. The other one, that does Pentax and Minolta and
some Nikon is 3 minutes away. And the owners are knowledgeable and
responsive. I h
Subject: Re: Support your Local Camera Shop (was: Re: Price of K10D in
Oz)
On 26/10/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I would have said to him, "Since I can't try or even handle the lens,
>you basically offer no advantage to me over buying it for less money
>from a
Henrys is our big "box store" of photographic equipment in Ontario. I
know a lot of people, and sometimes myself, don't really like the
chain, but.
When i went to pick up my D2H from the Newmarket store, the salesman
let me attach both my nikon lenses i had at the time, and when i asked
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 26 October 2006 19:24
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Support your Local Camera Shop (was: Re: Price
> of K10D in Oz)
>
> On 26/10/06, Mark Roberts, discombo
On 26/10/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I would have said to him, "Since I can't try or even handle the lens,
>you basically offer no advantage to me over buying it for less money
>from an Internet retailer. Can you give me a good reason why I
>shouldn't do so?"
Good point. I
Absolutely amazing isn't it? The one advantage a local place may have over
a mail order business, and they refuse to use it to their advantage. I
possibly would have expected there to be a test sample of each lens that was
purchased just for this reason.
I've never had a problem with a busin
On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:
> This is bad, but it also compunds itself when the salesperson becomes
> wary of that. A couple of times, I felt the loss of interest of people
> at places like K&S in Palo Alto or Gassers in San Franciso, as soon as
> they realize I'm not going to
I'm lucky in that there are no less than four or five decent photo
equipment vendors within a 50 mile radius of my apartment, the
nearest two of whom are less than 15 minutes away. I try to buy from
them first whenever I'm looking for equipment as I believe in
supporting local business as m
Cotty wrote:
>I am in the process of considering the purchase of an expensive lens,
>with a choice of two similar types, at similar prices.. I was in London
>and popped into a Canon dealer near the British Museum. When I inquired,
>the best the salesman would do is show me prints from the lenses (
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, John Celio wrote:
> They had money to burn, but the
> way I saw it, they were too greedy to pay for the services I/we provided.
How many of them used the service? How many had already done the
research, asked for specific items then asked to pay?
> wanted to punch them in t
On 25/10/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>One other time, the owner had a customer who wanted some advice on
>digital cameras so he could make a more intelligent purchasing decision
>in the Internet. Yes, he actually said that to the owner's face as if
>there was nothing unusual
>
> From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> It's happening as we speak. Camera shops are closing all over the US,
> according to one of the last industry newsletters I saw before being laid
> off, and even big chains like Ritz/Wolf are closing dozens of stores.
> People are treating came
On 26/10/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree, and I do.
>
> One of my reasons for doing so is if something goes wrong with my purchase
> (as happened to my AF-540 FGZ flash recently). I just box it up & in my
> lunch break drop it off and they take care of the rest. For me, that
>
I agree, and I do.
One of my reasons for doing so is if something goes wrong with my purchase
(as happened to my AF-540 FGZ flash recently). I just box it up & in my
lunch break drop it off and they take care of the rest. For me, that
convenience is worth a small premium.
I also find once you'
Well, when you buy container loads of anything you get good deals. You
do not have to be Target to do that. But you do have to have some idea
of how you are going to sell all that merchandise.
--graywolf
Mark Roberts wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>
>> I agree with what you say in princ
Paul Stenquist wrote:
>I think we talked about this before. Was it called Pittsburgh Camera"
>or something like that?
The place I worked was called "Fotoshop" (no worries about lawsuits
from Adobe in 1947!)
>The store had some used equipment and an old
>feel to it. It was in an area that r
On 10/25/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> In other words, my knowledge that
> they wanted so badly had no financial value. They were amazed and
> offended if I got angry.
[...]
This is bad, but it also compunds itself when the salesperson becomes
wary of that. A couple of times, I
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: Support your Local Camera Shop (was: Re: Price of K10D in
Oz)
>
> Of course, the consumer still gets to deal with a salesdroid who
> doesn't know his aperture from a hole in the ground...
>
>
Is tha
Been dealing and working with a local camera store (Elliott's
Photo-Marysville, CA) for the past 20 years.
Been a long and complex relationship. Most all good. Have had retail
displays all those years with virtually all displayed and sold work
printed, matted and framed by their staff. They still o
I think we talked about this before. Was it called Pittsburgh Camera"
or something like that? The store had some used equipment and an old
feel to it. It was in an area that resembled a square or a town
center. If that's it, I was there once. Probably about seven years
ago when my daughter
On Oct 25, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> One other time, the owner had a customer who wanted some advice on
> digital cameras so he could make a more intelligent purchasing
> decision
> in the Internet. Yes, he actually said that to the owner's face as if
> there was nothing unusual o
Digital Image Studio wrote:
>I agree with what you say in principle but I think that a lot has to
>be blamed on the preferential treatments that larger retailers receive
>from distributors. I recall some years ago when I ran my own business
>often big box retailers would have pallets of product (
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 26/10/06, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There were
>> people I knew for a fact were extremely well off who would try to haggle us
>> down on the price of a camera, even though they weren't buying anything else
>> nor had they ever been a customer before.
On Oct 25, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Why is that? Did you have local camera shops? Why did they
> disappear?
Yes, we did have several local camera shops. One shut down because
the owner died and nobody wanted to take it over. One family had
several local shops but Ritz
On 26/10/06, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There were
> people I knew for a fact were extremely well off who would try to haggle us
> down on the price of a camera, even though they weren't buying anything else
> nor had they ever been a customer before. They had money to burn, but the
>
On 26/10/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the local stores that have closed blame Wal-Mart. Mostly, their
> owners had better things to do than run the store themselves, which I
> think has more to do with them not making money than Wal-Mart did.
I agree with what you say in prin
There were two independent camera shops in Pittsburgh. Now there is
just one (which has a *very* dodgy reputation - most serious pros I
know won't do business with them). The one I did some work for closed
last year after 58 years in business.
True stories:
I had a woman come in with a point-n
> The problem stems, I think, from greed. People consider saving money in
> the short run (as when making a purchase) more important than what
> benefits
> the community as a whole in the long run, such as tax revenues that
> support
> schools and road repair and fire and emergency services...
>
Most of them disappeared in the 80's when minilabs in department stores,
supermarkets and pharmacy's took away most of the photofinishing
business, which was their stock in trade. The ones that remained are the
ones that had either a very solid equipment sales business, a superb
location or a s
I've always supported my local camera store with large purchases of
film, darkroom supplies and, more recently, Epson paper and ink. I
buy minor accessories there, like bags, filters and caps. And I buy
frames and mats. It's actually a pretty good store. Camera Mart is
the name. However, un
That is all too true. I've seen it in several businesses where
indifferent service and high prices maintained a business until a better
alternative showed up(Cheaper, better service, both).
The book business is a classic example. The big chains mostly killed off
the small stores by providing a
Well, from what I have seen, and it is not limited to camera stores
either, what happens is the old folks retire, and the kids are not
interested in the business (Why should they be, when they are now
doctors or lawyers?), so the store is sold to a chain such as Ritz. The
chain moves in and che
Thanks, John. You've made some valid points. Like some of the others
who have replied it is often difficult for me to buy from local shops.
No one around here carries anything with the Pentax name on it other
than the low end DSLR kits or P&S. There are no lenses, flashes, or
any other accessor
A plug for Citizens Photo in Portland, Oregon. They are a small business
that has been around for over 20 years. It sells Pentax equipment. I
take all my photo finishing work to them, including some digital stuff.
Jim A.
> The photographic industry needs your support right now, and I'd like
Shel wrote:
...
The problem stems, I think, from greed. People consider saving money in
the short run (as when making a purchase) more important than what benefits
the community as a whole in the long run, such as tax revenues that support
schools and road repair and fire and emergency services..
Why is that? Did you have local camera shops? Why did they disappear?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Shell
> The problem with this is that for a large number of us there are no
> local camera shops anymore.
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While I generally agree on the tax issue since no one pays the local
taxes on stuff they buy on the internet, even though they are supposed
to, I disagree on the other economic points. All you have to do is go
back to the days when everything was local, i.e. the farmer to farmer
and you realiz
John, I'd love to comply with what you've stated but I've run into the
following issues:
+ In my area there are no shops that carry much of the Pentax line
+ Most of the sales people I've run into @ local shops know little or
nothing about Pentax equip.
+ I was told by one local merchant, that I'
John,
The problem with this is that for a large number of us there are no
local camera shops anymore. In my area I'd have to drive more than
two hours if I wanted to go to a local (local to that city) camera
shop. If I want to buy something really locally, the only hope is
one of the seve
Hi John,
While I essentially support your position, and tend to buy locally wherever
possible, regardless of the product, it's sometimes hard or economically
difficult to do that.
For example, before I bought my DS I called several stores in the area,
including Reeds, Gasser's, Sarbers, Calumet.
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