RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-24 Thread Gautam Sarup
Heh! Gautam -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:33 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave) You ain't been here long enough to know what bubbin' over is son... Gautam

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-24 Thread Gautam Sarup
, 2005 8:57 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights The notion of requiring some sort of moral ground for one nation or one person to object to the brutal actions of another is absurd. Should you be burglarized, your kin be brutalized and your neighbor witness

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-24 Thread Tom C
Gautam Sarup wrote: That's right, I _do_ judge such things. I do my best though I haven't reached the status of being the VOICE OF REASON. Well SOMEBODY has to be it. :) I don't agree with Bob on everything and I suspect that he does not *expect* everyone, or anyone in particular, to

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-23 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Bob Blakely wrote: I think it important to let folks talk as they wish. Otherwise, how would we know the fools among us. Hell, if they kept their mouths shut, we might think them wise. Occasional lapses of judgment aside (we all have them) we learn who is worth listening

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/22/2005 4:02:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No one has launched a war because they wanted to. To state such nonsense is to assume that the one launching the war has dictatorial power. To assume that the President of the US, Prime Minister of Briton,

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-23 Thread P. J. Alling
You ain't been here long enough to know what bubbin' over is son... Gautam Sarup wrote: Aw c'mon, this is brewing nicely. Brewing nicely? This pot bubbleth over. Obviously it hasn't been watched very intently. Gautam -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles,

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-23 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/22/2005 4:02:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No one has launched a war because they wanted to. To state such nonsense is to assume that the one launching the war has dictatorial power. To assume that the President of the US,

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-23 Thread Bob Blakely
Now how did you leap to that! Most reasonable folks would know that the statement applies to whatever the subject matter is. We all have different areas of expertise wherein we are competent. Of course there are those who just love to think the worst of people and are eager to jump on

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-23 Thread Glen
At 04:48 PM 8/22/2005, keithw wrote: Please, the both of you, will you either find something more appropriate to discuss, or at least take this conversation off the list? Please? I subscribed to the Pentax Camera list, not the Pentagon Critique list. ;-) Oddly enough, you get what is out

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
William Robb wrote: We in the US had a President some years back by the name of Richard Nixon. He uttered a line that became somewhat famous: I am not a crook. My reply was meant to be a play on that old phrase. Didn't he turn out to be a crook? They (politicians) are all crooks. Tom

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
. Regards, Bob S. On 8/22/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Glen Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights I wonder if this thread will ever get back to protecting the rights of photographers to use their Pentax cameras for whatever peaceful

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Launching a war simply because you want to (maybe just for political reasons) I think all wars are fought for political reasons. and convincing others it is a good thing, is certainly different from responding to an outright attack

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
All true, except that the Japanese were waging an aggressive war of imperial expansion on the Chinese mainland, (where the Japanese army used rape and plague as weapons), and had previously fought a short undeclared war with the Soviet Union, (in which Marshal Zhukov handed them their heads),

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? Interesting perspective. Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Launching a war simply because you want to (maybe just for

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? No, those are your words. I made no point about justification and we have all seen how Americans

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was probably impossible to avoid conflict with the Japanese without ceding them hegemony over Asia and the Western Pacific. I think you may be right here, the whole mess was believed to have started with the San Francisco

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I attempted to take no high ground, moral or otherwise. I just responded to your preposterous statement that Pearl Harbour was the result of failed US foreign policy. The attack was the direct result of the attempt by the Japanese govenment of that time to gain miltary control over the

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. august 2005 15:30 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? Interesting perspective. Kevin Waterson wrote

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: Children(addressing all of you). This is not a Pentax or photo related subject, can you please stop behaving like . Aw c'mon, this is brewing nicely. Don't be such a killjoy. Just needs a few more days and a couple more ingredients and

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Cotty wrote: Children(addressing all of you). This is not a Pentax or photo related subject, can you please stop behaving like . Aw c'mon, this is brewing nicely. Don't be such a killjoy. Just needs a few more days and a couple more ingredients and it'll

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: ...like a good festering boil, eh? Yup - just needs a nice white-hot lance to pierce it at just the right moment LOL Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
) -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. august 2005 18:29 To: pentax list Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave) On 22/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: Children(addressing all of you). This is not a Pentax or photo related

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Kevin, Shut the hell up before you alienate any more people. Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? No,

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Glen
At 09:34 AM 8/22/2005, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? No, those are your words. I made no point about

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I agree. I didn't start this detour, and I avoided it as long as I could, but some things just seem to demand answer. I apologize for taking the bait and engaging in political debate here, where I agree it does not belong. I know better. Glen wrote: At 09:34 AM 8/22/2005, Kevin Waterson

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread keithw
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Launching a war simply because you want to (maybe just for political reasons) I think all wars are fought for political reasons. and convincing others it is a good thing, is certainly different from responding

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread keithw
P. J. Alling wrote: All true, except that the Japanese were waging an aggressive war of imperial expansion on the Chinese mainland, (where the Japanese army used rape and plague as weapons), and had previously fought a short undeclared war with the Soviet Union, (in which Marshal Zhukov

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread keithw
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? Interesting perspective. Oh, did he say that? Interesting interpretation of what he said. keith whaley Kevin Waterson wrote: This one

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread keithw
Glen wrote: At 09:34 AM 8/22/2005, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So your point is that the Japanese were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor so that they could continue the rape of Nanking? No, those are your words. I made no

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest that you read flyboys by James Bradley, especially those parts that deal with the manner in which the military of Japan dominated the government and distorted the samurai code of bushido into a a military

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Shut the hell up before you alienate any more people. I love it when you order me about. Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, keithw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems China might be heading a similar direction with Taiwan... I sincerely hope not. I hope not also, I would not know what side to back. But this would be another whole discussion on its own. Sino-Thaiwanese relationships are

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup - just needs a nice white-hot lance to pierce it at just the right moment LOL Sorry to dissappoint you, I bowwed out :) Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: I might do something even worse, ignore you. sorry, who are you again? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 23/8/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed: Sorry to dissappoint you, I bowwed out :) That's it? What's this list coming too. Years gone by, you coulda guaranteed a good thrashing for a while. Now it's apologies and bowing out. Frankly I'm disgusted. I suppose you'll want to bring

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
Cotty wrote: On 23/8/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed: Sorry to dissappoint you, I bowwed out :) That's it? What's this list coming too. Years gone by, you coulda guaranteed a good thrashing for a while. Now it's apologies and bowing out. Frankly I'm disgusted. I suppose

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
. august 2005 23:34 To: pentax list Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave) On 22/8/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: I might do something even worse, ignore you. sorry, who are you again? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed: We should choose someone who sometimes uses Canon or Nikon equipment, writes to the list prolifically and has been around a long time. Do you have any suggestions? H. H. Nope. Can't think of a single soul. exuent stage left

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:16:30PM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 22/8/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed: We should choose someone who sometimes uses Canon or Nikon equipment, writes to the list prolifically and has been around a long time. Do you have any suggestions? H. H.

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see no further way forward for educational purposes, How does this represent any change from your earlier interpretations? Lewis _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger!

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Bob Blakely
Regarding Eactivist's post: No one has launched a war because they wanted to. To state such nonsense is to assume that the one launching the war has dictatorial power. To assume that the President of the US, Prime Minister of Briton, Prime Minister of Australia have such powers. To assert

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Bob W
All this making nicey nicey is pretty sickening. I think we should roast the living hell out of somebody. I hereby open nominations for appointment to Official PDML Whipping Person (we can't limit our options here). Frank has unofficially served in that capacity for a number of years so

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23. august 2005 01:16 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Bob Blakely
I think it important to let folks talk as they wish. Otherwise, how would we know the fools among us. Hell, if they kept their mouths shut, we might think them wise. Occasional lapses of judgment aside (we all have them) we learn who is worth listening to and who is worth dismissing. Regards,

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I'll slap you around too, if you like... Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Shut the hell up before you alienate any more people. I love it when you order me about. Kevin -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread keithw
Bob Blakely wrote: Regarding Eactivist's post: No one has launched a war because they wanted to. To state such nonsense is to assume that the one launching the war has dictatorial power. To assume that the President of the US, Prime Minister of Briton, Prime Minister of Australia have such

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Gautam Sarup
From: Bob Blakely wrote: The United States and the United Kingdom reacted to Japanese military actions Those actions as you called them were Imperialism and brutality on a grand scale. On what possible moral ground could the United Kingdom in the 1940's object to Imperialism and

RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Gautam Sarup
Aw c'mon, this is brewing nicely. Brewing nicely? This pot bubbleth over. Obviously it hasn't been watched very intently. Gautam

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights (please behave) BWYou could try narrowing it down a bit so that it excludes some people... This is constructive! We need a big guy, who enjoys a fight, and can take a lot of whipping. Get Cakalic a can

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tom C
In response to We need a big guy, who enjoys a fight, and can take a lot of whipping. William Robb wrote: Get Cakalic a can of Dream Whip and a French Maid's outfit and I expect he'd be up to it. WW Hey don't mention my name in the same sentence as French Maid's outfit! Tom C.

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Bob Blakely
The notion of requiring some sort of moral ground for one nation or one person to object to the brutal actions of another is absurd. Should you be burglarized, your kin be brutalized and your neighbor witness it, perhaps he should not intervene in as much he's only been out 5 years after a 7

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by the way, I remember that there were conflicts in Afghanistan, Angola, Mozambique and Central America in that time frame, but for the life of me I can't remember any sort of wars in the Caribbean during the Carter

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Graywolf
To add to Peter's list, the President of the Committee of Safety (those were the guys who started the whole affair) was David Rittenhouse. That is about as far back as you can go and claim that it had anything to do with the United States. No, he was not an ancestor of mine, although family

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/20/2005 11:49:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: didn't bring up Clinton because, what with Haiti and Somalia, I thought there might be room for argument. = Well, sort of. But as I recall, Clinton didn't START anything. And our involvement was

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Bob Blakely
The reactionary press at the time... The War Starts on March 24, 1999! At approximately 1830 UTC the first bombs were dropped on Kosovo. Mr. Clinton really has no idea of what he is going to accomplish with this action. All we know is that US lives will probably be lost in this military

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I see a difference between the U.S. having heavy involvement and light involvement and a president starting it or not. I wonder if the families of those killed see the difference. Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Glen
At 04:52 PM 8/21/2005, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I see a difference between the U.S. having heavy involvement and light involvement and a president starting it or not. I wonder if the families of those killed see the difference. I

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread Gautam Sarup
I wonder if this thread will ever get back to protecting the rights of photographers to use their Pentax cameras for whatever peaceful law-abiding purpose they see fit? ;-) The rights of photographers to use all kinds of cameras without regard to media, colour or national origin. :)

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Glen Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights I wonder if this thread will ever get back to protecting the rights of photographers to use their Pentax cameras for whatever peaceful law-abiding purpose they see fit? ;-) So last night, I decided I wanted

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny thing is he probably did more good than any president in US history, but the only thing he is remembered for is Watergate. === Personally, I can think of quite a few presidents

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Gerald Ford, (maybe, at least no major conflicts durring his administration). Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them.

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict?

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread E.R.N. Reed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-)

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Bob W
What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? you had a month-old president!? -- Cheers, Bob

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!?

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
GDubya, with a cherry tree instead of a bush, AFAIK. Dario - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Bob Blakely
a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Bob W
@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!?

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread E.R.N. Reed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread E.R.N. Reed
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2005 18:15 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Articles of Confederation -- John Hanson New Federal Constitution -- George Washington But just in case you were referring to the Continental Congress -- Peyton Randolph (I had to look that one up). Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny thing is he probably did more good than any president in US history, but the only thing he is remembered for is Watergate. === Personally, I can think of quite a few presidents who did more for this country. But

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh yea, just forget about the war in Kosovo and throwing missiles arround... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. Okay, pardon me but this joke isn't bad and seems like a good place to chuck it in...

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread David Savage
ROTFLMFAO Dave (wiping tears from his eyes) On 8/21/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. Okay, pardon me but

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Glen
At 10:12 AM 8/20/2005, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? you had a month-old president!? He just acts that way. HAR!! WW

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you only counting major wars, or are you including all military actions abroad? Any military action is an act of war. This rubbish about police actions and the like wears a little thin very quickly, especially for those on the

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? William Henry Harrison. Anybody since him? As to recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars, I don't recall which wars Ford and Carter started.

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Give that man a Kewpie doll! Very good Peter. Washington was actually the eighth President of the US. Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling Articles of Confederation -- John Hanson New Federal Constitution -- George Washington But just in case you were referring to the

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Bob W
Why hasn't anybody told the White House? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:30 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights Give that man a Kewpie doll! Very good Peter. Washington

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Lewis Matthew
No, Shel, we weren't leaderless. Neither was there a President of the United States. Rather, there was a President of the Congress of the Confederation which operated under the Articles of Confederation. Lewis From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread Bob W
Washington? And why did George Washington get a state *and* a city named after him, but Peyton only got a Place? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:37 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, considering the powers of the presidency under the Articles of Confederation, maybe we were... Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Washington? And why did George Washington get a state *and* a city named after him, but Peyton only got a Place? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:37 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? William Henry Harrison. Anybody since him? As to recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars, I don't recall which wars

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights Washington got a city named after him because he was instrumental in getting the Federal City built But why did Peyton only get a Place? WW

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-20 Thread P. J. Alling
He was the head of a body much like the UN but smaller with less power. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights Washington got a city named after him because he was instrumental in getting the Federal City built But why

RE: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread Gautam Sarup
: The Photographer's Rights Bob Blakely wrote: Valid and rational conclusion, or not, that IS what happens in the normal course of human events. Further, the chicken was absolutely right - until it's death. If I'm crapped on continually in ANY situation by people of some different

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:00:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Left Liberal. Ditto. Fred = Yeah, yeah. I don't even have to take the test to know that. Ditto, ditto. Marnie aka Doe

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/17/2005 3:36:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bertrand Russell gave an example to demonstrate the often weak conclusions you can reach by induction. A chicken woke up every morning and was fed by the farmer. The chicken concluded that he would be fed

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread Tom Reese
Gautam Sarup wrote: Unfortunately they come with their own kooks: I am not a kook. Denial noted but what is it in reference to? It was mostly in jest. I am a Libertarian and I strongly believe that we have far too much government (hmaybe that does make me a kook in the eyes of a

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
Sounds like a democracy to me. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights So what we've really established in this discussion is: No matter how

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights We in the US had a President some years back by the name of Richard Nixon. He uttered a line that became somewhat famous: I am not a crook. My reply was meant to be a play on that old phrase. Didn't he

Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-19 Thread David Savage
Just to clarify. The government outlawed semi automatic firearms. Not all guns. A friend of mine had a .22 semi-automatic rifle. The government bought it off him as part of the buy back scheme implemented after the Port Arthur shooting. He used the money to buy a more powerful .22 magnum bolt

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