Well said Godfrey. With the new K10 coming out I've heard it said that
Pentax monitor groups like this for useful feedback. I doubt they will
be bothering if it deteriorates further
Peter
On 11/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doug Brewer:
>
> As list owner and admin of the PD
I have it on reasonably good authority that someone from Pentax was on the
group, tried to participate in some discussions, was treated rudely, and
left. Of course, he was here anonymously wrt his position with Pentax.
It wasn't long ago that someone here wished that there could have been an
en
HIS post was abusive and was the first strike,
not mine. Mine was retalitory. If you dont like
this stuff going on, then punish the people
who start these things, not me.
jco
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Sent: Saturday,
On 11/11/06 11:41 AM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It wasn't long ago that someone here wished that there could have been an
> engineer from Pentax here to answer a few questions. Well, it seems there
> was, but he went away.
To the dark side? :-)
Ken
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Alll that's really necessary is that the rest of us ignore JCO's
posts. He's obviously not well, yet people continue to push his
buttons and incite him. The problem is easily solved.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Doug Brewer:
>
> As list owner and admin of the PD
That´s what my children usually say: "he started it", but I´m hoping
that they get a little bit wiser when they grow up.
DagT
Den 11. nov. 2006 kl. 18.02 skrev J. C. O'Connell:
> HIS post was abusive and was the first strike,
> not mine. Mine was retalitory. If you dont like
> this stuff going
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: list abuse
> Alll that's really necessary is that the rest of us ignore JCO's
> posts. He's obviously not well, yet people continue to push his
> buttons and incite him. The problem is easily sol
- Original Message -
From: "DagT"
Subject: Re: list abuse
That´s what my children usually say: "he started it", but I´m hoping
that they get a little bit wiser when they grow up.
John's mental development may well have halted when he was about 7 years
old, j
I disagree, Paul. A list owner's responsibility is to manage the
list, deal with technical issues of subscription and communications,
and deal with problem subscribers. JCO can go off and dominate the
list traffic on almost any topic. It creates bad will and a poor
image for the mailiing li
AFAIK, he's still with Pentax ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: K.Takeshita
> "Shel Belinkoff" wrote:
>
> > It wasn't long ago that someone here wished that there could have been
an
> > engineer from Pentax here to answer a few questions. Well, it seems
there
> > was, but he went away
The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into conversations and
threads and becomes abusive and begins to use foul language. Are you
suggesting that when he jumps into a thread, as he did when I posted my
observations about focusing, that even if he says nothing outrageous he be
ignored - IOW
In what way was "his" post abusive? Who's post was that? Can you provide
an example of the abuse - perhaps quote the portion that was abusive?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell
> HIS post was abusive and was the first strike,
> not mine. Mine was retalitory. If you dont like
I have received a couple of messages from Paul on the same subject, one of
which was fleshed out with some details and specifics.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb
> All that is really necessary is for John to use civil language rather
> than dropping into abusive bully mode as
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: list abuse
> The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into conversations and
> threads and becomes abusive and begins to use foul language. Are you
> suggesting that when he jumps into a thread, as h
om C.
>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: PDML List
>Subject: Re: list abuse
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:47:35 -0800
>
>I disagree, Paul. A list owner's responsibility is to manage the
>list, deal with technic
>Were I the list owner, I'd ban him permanently.
>
>William Robb
>
>
I'm voting "Aye" with both hands raised.
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me.
Of course, it really comes down to what Doug wants to do. Let's not get
the list population in an uproar, or become divisive about this. Doug,
where do you stand on this matter?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 11/11/2006 1
ght them so. There's cause and effect.
Action and consequence.
JCO apparently believes he's above consequences. I don't.
Tom C.
>From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
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Subject: Re: list abuse
Alll that's really necessary is that the rest of us ignore JCO's
posts. He's obviously not well, yet people continue to push his
buttons and incite him. The problem is easily solved.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> The problem is more easily solved by the one than by the many.
> John needs to learn civil discourse and use it rather than abusive
> bullying.
>
That would certainly be the best solution, but I'm not sure it's
possible.
Paul
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, 2006 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: list abuse
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: list abuse
> Alll that's really necessary is that the rest of us ignore JCO's
> posts. He's obviously not well, yet people cont
You might be right. Although JCO only seems to lose it when someone
engages him specifically in a continuing debate.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I disagree, Paul. A list owner's responsibility is to manage the
> list, deal with technical issues of subscription an
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Subject: Re: list abuse
- Original Message -
From: "DagT"
Subject: Re: list abuse
That´s what my children usually say: "he started it", but I´m hoping
that they get a little bit wiser when they grow up.
John's mental development may w
No, I guess there's no easy answer.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into conversations and
> threads and becomes abusive and begins to use foul language. Are you
> suggesting that when he jumps into a thread, as he did when I
PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: list abuse
In what way was "his" post abusive? Who's post was that? Can you
provide an example of the abuse - perhaps quote the portion that was
abusive?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell
> HIS post
.
jco
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: list abuse
The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into conversations and
threads and becomes abusi
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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: list abuse
> The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into
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You might be right. Although JCO only seems to lose it when someone
engages him specifically in a continuing debate.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I disagree, Paul. A list owner's responsibility is to ma
: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: list abuse
No, I guess there's no easy answer.
Paul
On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> The thing is, Paul, sooner or later JCO jumps into conversations and
> threads and becomes abusive and begins to use foul language. Are you
&
@pdml.net
Subject: Re: list abuse
I agree. I've had plenty of leeway for him in the past and I've even
defended his right to make his points.
I have now grown very very very tired of this rude and obnoxious
behavior.
I personally vote to kick his *** off the list. It'll free
Good post, Ken. As I said in an earlier post, JCO's buttons are being
pushed. Yes, he doesn't know how to settle a disagreement. But
perhaps we should allow him to express his views without aggressive
challenges. By the way, i tend to agree that longer lenses are easier
to focus. It's at le
On 11/11/06 1:53 PM, "Tom C", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree. I've had plenty of leeway for him in the past and I've even
> defended his right to make his points.
Well, with the talks of banning him and so forth, I believe you good folks
are going too far and too selfish.
Give him a break.
h
the new Pentax as I did with the old Pentax
with regards to product support/system issues.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
K.Takeshita
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: list abuse
On
And that is a perfectly understandable view. I skipped 15 years of
Pentax development because I hated the plastic AF cameras and lenses
and my plan was to switch brand when the LX died. It never did, and
then the Limited lenses and the *istD came.
So I have to conclude that I don´t necessar
On 11/11/06 5:49 PM, "J. C. O'Connell", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as the DSLRS go, I think the K100 is a steal
> and great deal for the price but I am disappointed
> in Pentax overall rescinding their long long time
> stance on backwards compatablity when possible
> and on the K10D , for
Yes, Paul. If only a few listers would just vow to be less predatory.
Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good post, Ken. As I said in an earlier post, JCO's buttons are being
>
> pushed. Yes, he doesn't know how to settle a disagreement. But
> perhaps we should allow him to
Storm in a teacup.
I'd be surprised if Doug ever banned anyone from the PDML, but what do I
know, I'm only a yungun.
Maybe needs a warning over his language but I see no point in ostracism.
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Civil?Your language is less than civil. Your attitude is
condescending, you're rude and antagonistic, your tone hostile. What was
the "personal attack" that you suffered? Please be specific.
You probably should be thrown off the list, although, as an advocate of
free speech, I will defend y
Ken,
I made a similar post several weeks ago where I compared JCO's
tormentors to boys poking a bear with at stick. They are a part of the
problem. I think we all would behave poorly if publicly attacked, but
also agree that JCO should be more civil, especially with his word
choices. He does
You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
nowhere here. JCO how about you agree to drop the whole thing and
whoever is attacking you please drop it and lets take up our
bandwidth talking about all the exciting Pentax things coming down
the pipe
Vic
On 11-No
On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Doug Brewer:
>
> As list owner and admin of the PDML, do you accept this kind of
> consistently rude, obnoxious behavior from your subscribers? I have
> long since consigned anything that JCO posts to the bit bucket, but I
> was reviewing th
Of
Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:12 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: list abuse
Civil?Your language is less than civil. Your attitude is
condescending, you're rude and antagonistic, your tone hostile. What
was the "personal attack" th
stand that I am not going to
>take your repeated bullshit and will respond in kind?
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Shel Belinkoff
>Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:12 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Sub
Close your eyes and you might even see the spittle flying in one of
JCO's recent posts. It reminds me of encounters with a borderline
psychopath we had on the group many years ago. He vanished, suddenly,
and without a trace. I was even threatened off list, as were others,
with physical violence
Something I don't exactly understand here.
Each time I get a message from a list member I have their e-mail
address. Thus, if I have a dispute of any kind with that list member I
can turn to them privately.
Frankly, I am rather tired of this flame. I don't read it really, but
I think it would do
On 11/12/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frankly, I am rather tired of this flame...
I wasn't this morning. But I was by the time I got back from playing golf.
I literally can't stand the heat,any heat, at the moment.
One application of sunscreen for 18 holes wasn't enough. I loo
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Close your eyes and you might even see the spittle flying in one of
JCO's recent posts. It reminds me of encounters with a borderline
psychopa
On Sunday 12 November 2006 02:37, Cotty wrote:
> Storm in a teacup.
>
> I'd be surprised if Doug ever banned anyone from the PDML, but what do I
> know, I'm only a yungun.
>
> Maybe needs a warning over his language but I see no point in ostracism.
>
> .02
>
> --
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>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
I want to
Quoting Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sunday 12 November 2006 02:37, Cotty wrote:
>> Storm in a teacup.
>>
>> I'd be surprised if Doug ever banned anyone from the PDML, but what do I
>> know, I'm only a yungun.
>>
>> Maybe needs a warning over his language but I see no point in ostracis
Quoting Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Doug Brewer:
>>
In the meantime, I think I'll check to see if I've
> used up this year's quota of commas.
By my count, you have five left.
Dave
>
> Doug Brewer
> http://www.drivingtheflies.c
entax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> > Doug Brewer:
> >
> > As list owner and admin of the PDML, do you accept this kind of
> > consistently rude, obnoxious behavior from your subscribe
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of mike wilson
> Sent: 12 November 2006 14:20
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
>
> >
> > From: Vic MacBournie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David J Brooks wrote:
>Quoting Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> Doug Brewer:
>>>
> In the meantime, I think I'll check to see if I've
>> used up this year's quota of commas.
>
>By my count, you have five left.
That's OK I have a couple hundred left that I haven't used and Doug can
have t
>
> From: Vic MacBournie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/11/12 Sun AM 04:31:08 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
> You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
> nowhere here. JCO how about yo
zos concert?
>
> >
> > From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2006/11/12 Sun AM 07:47:32 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: list abuse
> >
> >
> > On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >
&g
mike wilson wrote:
>Thanks for the sanity.
>
>I have some semicolons you can cut the tops off if you run short.
>
>Burning question of the day: How can I smuggle a camera into tonight's
Bonzos concert?
I trust you'll rule out any suggestions that involve colons?
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Tom C.
>
>Americans. Gotta love 'em. I s'pose.
>
>Cotty
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> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/11/12 Sun PM 04:14:30 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the sanity.
> >
> >I have some semicolons you can cut the tops off if you
On 12/11/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I'd like to apologize for the previous unauthorized apoology.
Is this the 5 minute apology or the full half hour? :-P
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On 12/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>that would be the Bit-Oriented LX, or BOLX for short.
>
>If Bill used it for shooting his Rottweilers it would be the dogs'
>BOLX.
If it could also accept film, you could load a BOLX.
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On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 11:00:30AM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> Gentlemen (and Ladies if any were involved) please resolve this issue
> privately, would you?
That never happens. Everybody feels entitled to post their rebuttal
to the same forum and audience where the original message was post
I'd like to authorize the previously unauthorized apology.
Kenneth Waller
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To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: list abuse
Quoting Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
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From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: list abuse
>
>>
>> From: Vic MacBournie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/11/1
>>> You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
>>> nowhere here. JCO how about you agree to drop the whole thing and
>>> whoever is attacking you please drop it and lets take up our
>>> bandwidth talking about all the exciting Pentax things coming down
>>> the pip
I don't think it has to simulate the aperture but it probably will
stimulate it...
Peter Loveday wrote:
You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
nowhere here. JCO how about you agree to drop the whole thing and
whoever is attacking you please drop i
With aperture stimulator !
Kenneth Waller
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From: "Peter Loveday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: list abuse
>>>> You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
>>>> nowhere here. JCO ho
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/11/12 Sun PM 05:28:28 GMT
> To: "pentax list"
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
> On 12/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >that would be the Bit-Oriented LX, or BOLX for short.
> >
> >I
The first movie camera I owned was a Bolx. It worked very well until it
fell over a cliff on Table Mountain and became totally Bolxed.
D
mike wilson wrote:
>> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/11/12 Sun PM 05:28:28 GMT
>> To: "pentax list"
>>
> Don Williams wrote:
> The first movie camera I owned was a Bolx. It worked very well until it
> fell over a cliff on Table Mountain and became totally Bolxed.
That's the first time I've heard of an accident to equipment that sounds
like an upgrade.
Malcolm
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> From: "Peter Loveday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/11/13 Mon AM 01:46:57 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
> >>> You know what guys let's just get over it and move on. We are getting
> &
On 13/11/06, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The first movie camera I owned was a Bolx. It worked very well until it
> fell over a cliff on Table Mountain and became totally Bolxed.
We had a Bolex :-)
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> From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/11/12 Sun PM 03:35:37 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: list abuse
>
> A chimpanzee is having a concert?
>
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