Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-09 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 06 May 2008 22:36:19 +0200 schreef Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: >> >> > Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam >> > around >

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-09 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 06 May 2008 23:07:29 +0200 schreef Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hand-drafting?'. Well, personally I can draft on the computer and use > paint programs quite handily, but I enjoy drafting out a plan by hand > or spending a few hours painting. And yes, it's nice to load pictures > from m

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hope this helps, > > > It's called a film changing bag or darkroom bag there is no special name > that I know of. Surprising really since English has more damned words > than any other language. And i can proudly mi

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Lucas Rijnders wrote: > Op Tue, 06 May 2008 07:41:08 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> On May 5, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Jan Moren wrote: >> >> >>> Brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask: what does it entail >>> today to actually use a 645 film camera? I've

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Rebekah
>Do I want to go to that expense again for equipment that is already >aging and for which there may never be new parts again? scrolling past all the other opinions, If it makes you happy, sure. Pentax cameras last a good long while, and the K lenses work on the digitals anyways. Plus, film is e

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 6, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: >> >>> Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam >>> around >>> until you're satisfied? >

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
True. After trying the magnifier eyepiece on the K10D I took it off. While it helped with critical focus in some situations, I had trouble seeing my composition. Paul On May 6, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: > >> Take a static sub

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: > > > Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam > > around > > until you're satisfied? > > > > I'm not even being flippant: I liked both th

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: > Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam > around > until you're satisfied? > > I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What > is the > big deal with eye-relief? I want to see the whole frame

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 06 May 2008 16:39:26 +0200 schreef Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On May 5, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> I much prefer the LX viewfinder as well. I hated the F3 viewfinder. >> >> It was one of th

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Scott Loveless
Lucas Rijnders wrote: > Developing isn't a problem: you need a light-tight zippered bag with > openings for your hands (I'm quite sure the english language has a word > for it. Sadly I don't know it ;-), a daylight developing tank (patterson > is the brand to have, I think), and chemicals wit

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 06 May 2008 07:41:08 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On May 5, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Jan Moren wrote: > >> Brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask: what does it entail >> today to actually use a 645 film camera? I've been on the fence on >> getting one for a

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 5, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> From: "Michael S. Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only >>> now did I >>> notice the absence of Pentax film cameras in the product lineup. >>> Should >>> I

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't count on a thousand years, or even a few hundred for any modern medium. If you want you pictures to last use glass plates. Michael S. Keller wrote: > Yeah, I'm kinda there. I hate to see analog go completely away, though. > Someone might consider my pictures worthwhile, in a few hundred o

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Only for Brooks... David J Brooks wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:34 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> In my first darkroom, I kept chemistry in beer bottles (they were brown, >> and about the right >> size), >> William Robb >> > > That, would be VERY dangerous

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually I like them both. I guess that's why there are more than one manufacturer. Adam Maas wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On May 5, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> I much prefer the LX viewfinder as well. I hated the F3 v

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Michael S. Keller
Yeah, I'm kinda there. I hate to see analog go completely away, though. Someone might consider my pictures worthwhile, in a few hundred or thousand years. Despite my fond nostalgia for the MX I so wanted when they were new on the market, I'm just not sure that I want to go there again. If my SO

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:34 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my first darkroom, I kept chemistry in beer bottles (they were brown, and > about the right > size), > William Robb That, would be VERY dangerous around castle brooks.:-) Dave > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 5, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> I much prefer the LX viewfinder as well. I hated the F3 viewfinder. > >> It was one of the reasons I > >> switched from my F3 based Nikon system to an LX based Pentax s

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" > Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > > > > > > > > > The standard F3 finder is IMHO far better than the HP f

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Michael S. Keller" Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > Thanks? I was a teenager, with limited funds. One did what one could. At > least I had an SLR for shooting said film, and an eagerness to experiment. In my first darkroom, I kept c

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm sorry. Didn't mean to be arrogant, but sometimes I am without trying:-). I did the same thing as a teenager. I thought this was your plan going forward. But, seriously, if the result is your motivation rather than the process, digital BW is very nice. And very controllable. Paul On May

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > No, like all AF bodies it's battery dependant (As is the F100 I > compare it too). If you're looking for a body that can function > without batteries, the equally pricey LX

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Michael S. Keller
Thanks? I was a teenager, with limited funds. One did what one could. At least I had an SLR for shooting said film, and an eagerness to experiment. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No, you shouldn't care. > Given the darkroom technique you describe, you'll get much better results > shooting BW on a di

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > > The standard F3 finder is IMHO far better than the HP finder and also > better than the LX finder. The real weakness is the F3's meter > readout, which is awful, especiall

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 5, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> I much prefer the LX viewfinder as well. I hated the F3 viewfinder. >> It was one of the reasons I >> switched from my F3 based Nikon system to an LX based Pentax system. >> > The standard F3 finder is IMHO far better than the HP finder and also > b

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: Should I care about film? >I had two of them for quite a while, and shot 2-3 weddings with it and > an old cheapy flash. I bet my K1000s shot 300 weddings for me. Those cameras paid for themselves many. many

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: "Michael S. Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now did I >> notice the absence of Pentax film cameras in the product lineup. Should >> I care? I was thinking of getting another, but is it worth it? Or i

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 6:01 PM -0400 5/5/08, P. J. Alling wrote: >Sadly it's getting hard to find good condition MXs at reasonable >prices. Damn photographers insist on using them. My MX has been in for repairs for almost a year while the repair guy waits for one that he can strip for the parts... -- Steve Sharp

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread pnstenquist
No, you shouldn't care. Given the darkroom technique you describe, you'll get much better results shooting BW on a digital Pentax. Paul -- Original message -- From: "Michael S. Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
The KX is a lovely camera and they're going Dirt Cheep these days. Especially considering what they are. However Since I already own a pair of MX's a pair of LX's an ME and a ZX5n and an MZ3 that don't get enough exercise... Bong Manayon wrote: > Hey! I just picked up a very clean Pentax KX

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
shot 2-3 weddings with it and > an old cheapy flash. > > I still have my original, my sister has the other. > > Dave > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:34 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Bong Manayon
Hey! I just picked up a very clean Pentax KX today--black body with hardly any scratches or brassing! It's worth it! Bong On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Michael S. Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now did I > notice the absenc

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread David J Brooks
ooks" > Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > > > > Have we forgotten about our trusty friend, Mr K1000 > > It annoys me how little respect the K1000 gets. I had 3 of them for a while, > and used them for > weddings. Never had any problems with any of

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Scott Loveless
Michael S. Keller wrote: > I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now did I > notice the absence of Pentax film cameras in the product lineup. Should > I care? I was thinking of getting another, but is it worth it? Or if I > ever shoot film again, should I just use the Ni

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:54 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" > Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > > > > No, like all AF bodies it's battery dependant (As is the F100 I > >

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: Should I care about film? > Have we forgotten about our trusty friend, Mr K1000 It annoys me how little respect the K1000 gets. I had 3 of them for a while, and used them for weddings. Never had any problems wit

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:39 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael S. Keller" > Subject: Should I care about film? > > > > I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Sadly it's getting hard to find good condition MXs at reasonable prices. Damn photographers insist on using them. Mark Roberts wrote: > Michael S. Keller wrote: > >> Can the MZ-S operate with no juice, as my dearly-departed KX and K1000 >> could? >> > > Nope :( > > I'd recommend an MX.

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 5, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Jan Moren wrote: > Brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask: what does it entail > today to actually use a 645 film camera? I've been on the fence on > getting one for a long time now, but I have very little experience of > shooting film. It is the slower workf

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: >I still shoot film because I like the donkey work. Mark! (The responses to this are simply limitless ) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Michael S. Keller" Subject: Should I care about film? > I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now did I > notice the absence of Pentax film cameras in the product lineup. Should > I care? I was thinking of ge

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Jan Moren
tis 2008-05-06 klockan 00:08 +0200 skrev Lucas Rijnders: > Op Mon, 05 May 2008 22:09:22 +0200 schreef Katrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Pentax film body recommendations: > If you don't like your camera to focus for you, but like modern exposure > modes a super A (or 645 ;-) would be a good choice

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Katrin
Hi... I'm also still shooting film and I also like b/w... and just recently a friend asked me to shoot candid shoots at her wedding reception and she really liked the b/w ones ^_- but I thought about upgrading my film bodies too... because I love my me but sometimes autofocus and build in fla

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Mon, 05 May 2008 22:09:22 +0200 schreef Katrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Pentax film body recommendations: As said, the MZ-S and LX keep their value: the first is rare, the second a legend. Probably not the best buys. If you like the dual control wheel set-up of the high-end digital cameras ge

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread David J Brooks
Have we forgotten about our trusty friend, Mr K1000 Dave On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, like all AF bodies it's battery dependant (As is the F100 I > compare it too). If you're looking for a body that can function > without batteries, the equally pric

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 10:09 PM +0200 5/5/08, Katrin wrote: >Hi... > >I'm also still shooting film and I also like b/w... and just >recently a friend asked me to shoot >candid shoots at her wedding reception and she really liked the b/w ones ^_- > >but I thought about upgrading my film bodies too... because I love >

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread P. J. Alling
No. Michael S. Keller wrote > Can the MZ-S operate with no juice, as my dearly-departed KX and K1000 > could? > > Adam Maas wrote: > >> Overall, even if you want to still shoot film the lack of new film >> bodies isn't a big issue. There's a superb selection of used film >> bodies on the marke

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Adam Maas
No, like all AF bodies it's battery dependant (As is the F100 I compare it too). If you're looking for a body that can function without batteries, the equally pricey LX is the most desirable (and is priced similarly against the Nikon F3 as the MZ-S is to the F100. The LX is much closer in performan

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Some folks persevere with film because they like it or it suits their photography well enough, or whatever. Others prefer to learn rendering B&W (if it's black and white work that they want). Whatever seems right to you is the right answer. As Freeman Paterson put it in a recent interview, "

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Michael S. Keller wrote: > Can the MZ-S operate with no juice, as my dearly-departed KX and K1000 > could? Nope :( I'd recommend an MX. Only uses battery power for the light meter. Other than that it's 100% functional without electricity :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Michael S. Keller
Can the MZ-S operate with no juice, as my dearly-departed KX and K1000 could? Adam Maas wrote: > Overall, even if you want to still shoot film the lack of new film > bodies isn't a big issue. There's a superb selection of used film > bodies on the market today at far more reasonable prices than t

Re: Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Adam Maas
Overall, even if you want to still shoot film the lack of new film bodies isn't a big issue. There's a superb selection of used film bodies on the market today at far more reasonable prices than the new bodies ever sold for (although the really desirable Pentax bodies are rather overpriced in compa

Should I care about film?

2008-05-05 Thread Michael S. Keller
I've been out of serious camera shopping for so long that only now did I notice the absence of Pentax film cameras in the product lineup. Should I care? I was thinking of getting another, but is it worth it? Or if I ever shoot film again, should I just use the Nikon P&S I inherited from my fath