Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-18 Thread Pål Jensen
Mafud wrote: > You can't defend his declarative statement. The MZ-S is "small(er)" than the > PZ-1/1p clan but by how much? Small in ~whose~ hands? There are some who find > the PZ-1p too large for their hands while others, myself included, find that > it fits. [snip] >But judging the MZ-S sm

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 6:51:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > > No, Ralf, you must say ~you~ (I) don't want the small size and high prices, > particularly since you, Ralf, don't know how small it ~actually~ is or how > much it costs. In Ralf's defense,

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Mafud wrote: > > No, Ralf, you must say ~you~ (I) don't want the small size and high prices, > particularly since you, Ralf, don't know how small it ~actually~ is or how > much it costs. In Ralf's defense, I do think he speaks for himself and we do know how small the MZ-S is and what it co

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread Ed Mathews
The N80 works fine with all AF lenses, and AI-P lenses. Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: RE: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability) >

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 2:14:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << When considering that the MZ-S fuses MZ-style, Z-1p features, and LX built and finish, its apparent that Pentax is reaching out to the Pentax enthusiasts >> And, as Micheal Coreleone said: "dragging me

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: February 17, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability) > In a message dated 2/17/01 1:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 1:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Not everybody wants smallest size and is willing to pay high prices. >> No, Ralf, you must say ~you~ (I) don't want the small size and high prices, particularly since you, Ralf, don't know how small it ~

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Mike Johnston
Ralf wrote: >As far as F80 is concerned - I have enjoyed mine very well...[snip]...I won't >complain, since I have bought the F80 exact to have certain features for the >lowest possible price...[snip]...So far I had 9 months of good fun with this >camera Ralf, Today I took my son to the pet sto

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 1:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Durability is also not everybodies priority, >> Huh?! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and foll

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 1:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hence they will accept lower built quality, but will demand moderate prices. >> Again, speak for yourself, Ralf. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Ma

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 1:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The MZ-S is not a camera for everybody. >> Ralf, ~you~ of all people, ought not make a snap judgement about a camera you have neither seen or operated and a camera which ~you~ yourself seem to deny, has

RE: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Pål and all Pål wrote: "During the 90's we have almost only seen utterly vision-free cameras. The MZ-S does indeed have direction. Its a strong statement in design and features. Its equally strong statement as the MZ-5 was back in '95. Of course it won't suit all but neither does a camera along

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Carlos Royo
Ralf Engelmann wrote: > > Carlos Royo wrote: > > > Please explain to us what you mean when you write "young > > and wild camera". ... > > it (MZ-S) seems to me the kind of camera we have been > > longing for: light, small, sturdy, with almost every useful > > feature needed for nearly everyone

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Ralf wrote: > The answer is still: no. The MZ-S is not a camera for everybody. Not > everybody wants smallest size and is willing to pay high prices. > Durability is also not everybodies priority, since some want to > update their gear regularly in order to enjoy latest technology. This is

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Ralf wrote: > Here we are at the topic: Most brands offer different types of > cameras for different attitudes. Not at all. Canon basically makes the same camera but at different price points. This is good if you happen to like their philosophy. If not, you're lost. Lately, Nikon has follo

RE: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread Len Paris
> I vaguely remember this thread and my lack of energy > to contribute. > But with the world of second hand AF-Nikkor lenses > from 1986 to now > on offer, nobody will miss anything. > > > Ralf > - I'm not sure about that, Ralf. The N80 has an AF-D mount, so it's a pretty good bet that earlier

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 11:54:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << However, it seems that other price classes/camera types will disappear now from the Pentax lineup, and this includes cameras in the technically capable mid class, a class I always have found especial

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread Ralf Engelmann
Mafud wrote: > If it's value for dollar spent you're fretting about, you could > buy two brand-new-in-the-box PZ-1p bodies and have enough left > over to go a long way on a PENTAX tele-extender or flash for the > same $1300. I hate these subject shifts in threads. No, No. The point is not how

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 10:55:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I am talking about my sour earned money here. Buying a F80 kind of camera every 5 years costs me $1300. >> If it's value for dollar spent you're fretting about, you could buy two brand-new-in-the-box P

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Ralf Engelmann
Carlos Royo wrote: > Please explain to us what you mean when you write "young > and wild camera". ... > it (MZ-S) seems to me the kind of camera we have been > longing for: light, small, sturdy, with almost every useful > feature needed for nearly everyone. That's a 100% subjective view and a

RE: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Ralf wrote: "Even though I think I have understood the concept behind the MZ-S, I would be surprised if it becomes a _big_ hit. It might sell well, especially in the first time though." REPLY: I agree but it's obvious to me that the MZ-S is not designed for high volume. This makes sense to m

Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/17/01 7:48:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Yes, but is this positive? The MZ-S might get the image of a slow camera with luxury attitude for the slow people with luxury attitude. >> What? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This messa

Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability?)

2001-02-17 Thread Ralf Engelmann
John Mustarde wrote: > Although my first impression was reserved, I think the MZ-S will > be a big hit, especially with the love-factor crowd who see a > camera as a class act in addition to a photo tool. Even though I think I have understood the concept behind the MZ-S, I would be surprised