Re: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)

> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/03/27 Thu PM 11:50:19 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois) > > William Robb wrote: > > > > The Sporties from when I was riding

Re: The psychology of fanbois

> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/03/27 Thu PM 09:11:10 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > Subj

Re: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)

- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois) > WERA had, and still has, a vintage racing class (Vintage 5) for those > late-70's/early-80's Japanese superbikes: Skinny tires, flexible frames >

New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)

William Robb wrote: > > The Sporties from when I was riding (mid 70s through to the mid 80s handled > as well as or better > the other 1000cc bikes that were available at the time. The Cow 1000 was a > cow when put into a > turn WERA had, and still has, a vintage racing class (Vintage 5) for

Re: The psychology of fanbois

On Mar 27, 2008, at 2:11 PM, William Robb wrote: > One of the problems of living kinda in the boonies is that I never > had the opportunity to try a > Guzzi or Duke. When I was riding, I would probably have appreciated > one, but IIRC, they were all > Ricky Road Racers at that time, which is

Re: The psychology of fanbois

- Original Message - From: "Steve Desjardins" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > Ditto. I'd like to get a Ducati 696, but the nearest dealer is 125 > miles away. HD,OTOH, is 30, 50, and 75. 125 miles, I'd have been OK with. My first Harley came from a

Re: The psychology of fanbois

t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/27/2008 5:11 PM >>> - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > One of my best friends, a fierce H-D Sportster fanatic for 20 years, > took a ride one afternoon a dozen years ago on

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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > One of my best friends, a fierce H-D Sportster fanatic for 20 years, > took a ride one afternoon a dozen years ago on my Ducati 907IE. He > sold his Sportie the next day f

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On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:53 AM, William Robb wrote: >> >> The rubber-mounted engine models (2004 and later) have far less >> vibrations. They still don't handle as well as a sportbike, but >> well >> enough for riding around. > > The Sporties from when I was riding (mid 70s through to the mid 8

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- Original Message - From: "Steve Desjardins" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > The rubber-mounted engine models (2004 and later) have far less > vibrations. They still don't handle as well as a sportbike, but well > enough for riding around. The

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The rubber-mounted engine models (2004 and later) have far less vibrations. They still don't handle as well as a sportbike, but well enough for riding around. >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/27/2008 11:56 AM >>> On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote: > ... I rode the big t

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On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote: > ... I rode the big twins, which were built for comfort and good > looks, not for handling and speed, > but the Sportsters had a bit more ground clearance and had as good > handling as just about > anything else out there. ... O my ... No, I c

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- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > Aluminium head/barrel? Cast iron generally went out for motorcycle > crankcases pre WWI. > Although you are talking HD They were, overall more reliable than the Engl

Re: The psychology of fanbois

> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 11:45:45 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" > Subjec

Re: The psychology of fanbois

I think he already has... Ken Waller wrote: > Get a hold of yourself Cotty > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f > > - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > &

Re: The psychology of fanbois

Get a hold of yourself Cotty Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > On 26/3/08, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Use to be that way in th

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If you stopped doin' the chew,you wouldn't need those wipers on the inisiede-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 26/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: > > >One has to wonder how many of those Defenders with the 62

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The original Buick engine was aluminum as well. i built several of them when I worked in a race engine shop in the late sixties. Much later, I worked on one that was going in a TR8. Save for the carburetion, it was the same engine. A good engine, but the same engine. Paul -- Origina

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On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Cotty wrote: > On 26/3/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> One presumes that the old cast iron design didn't lend itself to >> being >> transformed into an aluminium engine. > > As long as you don't let it overheat, the aly blocks are fine. Very > ligh

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On 26/3/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >One presumes that the old cast iron design didn't lend itself to being >transformed into an >aluminium engine. As long as you don't let it overheat, the aly blocks are fine. Very lightweight.

Re: The psychology of fanbois

- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > My 1990 Range Rover expired in 2003, with a warped block. > It was going to cost more to fix it than the car would be worth. > > That was the old aluminium V8, based ori

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My 1990 Range Rover expired in 2003, with a warped block. It was going to cost more to fix it than the car would be worth. That was the old aluminium V8, based originally on a Buick design. The problem with a Range Rover is that, unlike the original Land Rover, it's not all that easy to work on

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On 26/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: >One has to wonder how many of those Defenders with the 62 Buick engines >lasted ten years. >But they are cool. You mean the V8? There are still a few around. I ran a 230 hp version in a cut down Range Rover form 1988 through 1997. Built

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On 26/3/08, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: >Use to be that way in the states with certain sports cars - MGs, Triumphs, >Sprites, Healeys etc, a wave of a free hand That counts me out - one hand on the wheel, the other on. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Pla

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One has to wonder how many of those Defenders with the 62 Buick engines lasted ten years. But they are cool. Paul -- Original message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:25 AM, William Robb wrote: > >> > >> . They're more concern

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Leasing is not "an investment in a vehicle". It's a way of obtaining a vehicle for a period to use without the necessity of ownership and the commitment of capital, or the liabilities of long term maintenance and upkeep that ownership implies. Whether it's the right transportation solution

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to be bothered with long term maintaince. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" >

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But they having been selling relatively well. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > Here, the Defender is only moderately popular. It has repeatedly &g

Re: The psychology of fanbois

- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > What do they care? They'll drive it until the lease runs out in two > years and get the next one. They just don't want to have to visit the > dealer more than once a y

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Use to be that way in the states with certain sports cars - MGs, Triumphs, Sprites, Healeys etc, a wave of a free hand Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois

Re: The psychology of fanbois

On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:25 AM, William Robb wrote: >> >> . They're more concerned that the cup holder rattles and >> disturbs their concentration on the latest Brittany Spears scandal on >> the news > > Then they trash the things in initial quality surveys, which don't > really say anything about

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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > . They're more concerned that the cup holder rattles and > disturbs their concentration on the latest Brittany Spears scandal on > the news Then they trash the things

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I wonder how the Rover Fanbois will feel now that their beloved brand is owned by a company even lower in status than Ford. AlunFoto wrote: > Have you ever observed how bus drivers tend to have a secret greeting > to each other when meeting on the road? Not only among colleagues, but > also drive

Re: The psychology of fanbois

On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 26/3/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Always thought of that as a recognition of a fellow loonie. Over >> here, >> Defender owners do the same. Always a hand to the beret, whether they >> wear one or not. > > LOL > > That's true here -

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Paul Stenquist wrote: > Here, the Defender is only moderately popular. It has repeatedly > done very poorly in initial quality surveys, and it's very expensive. > In US dollars, it doesn't give you a lot for your money. And the people who own them are fanatics for the model. -- Christia

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Here, the Defender is only moderately popular. It has repeatedly done very poorly in initial quality surveys, and it's very expensive. In US dollars, it doesn't give you a lot for your money. Paul On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 26/3/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: > >

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On 26/3/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: >Always thought of that as a recognition of a fellow loonie. Over here, >Defender owners do the same. Always a hand to the beret, whether they >wear one or not. LOL That's true here - people ask me what it's like to drive and I always reply it ma

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Have you ever observed how bus drivers tend to have a secret greeting to each other when meeting on the road? Not only among colleagues, but also drivers from different bus companies. Have noticed that on a trip or two into Oxford too. :-) Always thought of that as a recognition of a fellow loonie

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Cotty wrote: > On 25/3/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Over here, the most brand-fanatic car owners have Landrovers. >> Defenders, of course. :-) > > That a fact? > > Excellent. > Fanboi. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail L

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On 25/3/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: >Over here, the most brand-fanatic car owners have Landrovers. >Defenders, of course. :-) That a fact? Excellent. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com ___

Re: The psychology of fanbois

> > > Jostein > > > > 2008/3/25, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >>>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT > >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>Subject:

Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois

- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois >> >> (and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls >> into the same category, at least here in the U.S.) > > I find myself strangely unpi

Re: The psychology of fanbois

t;>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois >>> >>>Bob Sullivan wrote: >>> >>>>Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. >>> >>>And not

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Over here, the most brand-fanatic car owners have Landrovers. Defenders, of course. :-) Jostein 2008/3/25, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mai

Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois

> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > Bob Sullivan wrote: > > Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. > > And not ju

Re: The psychology of fanbois

The Oly bodies aren't actually small. The E-410/E-420 looks that way due to the lack of a grip, but it's within a couple MM in both other dimesnions from a Rebel XT/XTi and the lack of a grip makes handling inferior. The E-510 is similar in size to the K200D and A200 and the E-3 is similar in size

Re: The psychology of fanbois

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > I'm using the ImageMate. It can be problematic. Does the Extreme Reader > handle SDHD? I figure > if I'm going to switch again, I ought to get that capability. Paul, I

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Yes, the Extreme Reader works with SDHC cards. Actually, the ImageMate 12-in-1 was revved to support SDHC too ... I think those with "V3" in the model designation are all supposed to be capable of SDHC ... but I've not got any SDHC cards yet to test with it. The main reason I keep using the I

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I'm using the ImageMate. It can be problematic. Does the Extreme Reader handle SDHD? I figure if I'm going to switch again, I ought to get that capability. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I find the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-

Re: The psychology of fanbois

P. J. Alling wrote: >> I like a manufacture to build a >> product in *my* best interest, rather than theirs. > Dreamer. Har! :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and f

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> > I like a manufacture to build a > product in *my* best interest, rather than theirs. Dreamer. Mark Roberts wrote: > Ken Waller wrote: > >>> I've rarely met a user of SD cards who hasn't experienced some kind of >>> failure. >>> >> I've been using SD's for over 2 years, probably not

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I find the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 that I use most of the time occasionally has trouble reading cards, and particularly Sandisk Extreme III cards. However, the Sandisk Extreme Card Reader has no trouble at all with the same cards. Both of these are USB 2.0 interface and are very fast. Ther

Re: The psychology of fanbois

Ken Waller wrote: >> I've rarely met a user of SD cards who hasn't experienced some kind of >> failure. > > I've been using SD's for over 2 years, probably not shooting as much as you > Paul, but I've yet to experience an issue with them. > Might be an issue with your reader? My issue is that t

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> - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > > > I've had the plastic dividers fall off two SanDisk Extreme II

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L PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > > > > > I've had the plastic dividers fall off two SanDisk Extreme III cards. > > Never had a problem with CF during f

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r http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > I've had the plastic dividers fall off two SanDisk Extreme III cards.

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Based on the size of some of the Olympus bodies I don't think the camera has to be any larger. I've actually had an SD card case split at a seam. It's a good Lexar Card from a reputable store but getting it replaced wouldn't be worth the hassle as it's now hopelessly outdated. [EMAIL PROTECTE

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Let me remind people of how robust a CF card can be. My current dog as a puppy decided to play catch with this, he was chewing on it when I got it away from him. A SD card would not have survived this CF card still works. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/cfcardassnack.html [EMAIL PROTECT

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I kind of ignored this but my interest is in the glass. I have a lot of classic glass. Only Pentax will allow me to use most of it with a minimum of fuss, (because it's K mount of course). If Pentax ever stops allowing the use of my classic lenses I'd go to the manufacturer with the best di

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pnstenquist wrote: >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi >o CF cards. >> >> Ah, another "I hate" war to wage. >> > >Such nonsense. >No war, just a somewhat facetious response to the "fanbois" post. I intended my "fanbois" post to be facetious to begin with. Obviously, not all Leica/Harley/Apple/Pentax(?)

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-- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> o CF cards. > > Ah, another "I hate" war to wage. > Such nonsense. No war, just a somewhat facetious response to the "fanbois" post. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.n

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>> After fixing a camera and a card reader which each had their CF pins >> bent from having a card shoved in less-than-perfectly, I can say that >> I'd rather repair a $20 card than a $900 camera though.IMO, CF is >> far less "robust" than SD in the hands of the average user. Been there, done

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]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Robinson" > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > > > > > > After fixing a camera and a card reader which each had their CF pins > > bent from having a card shoved in less-than-perf

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On Mar 24, 2008, at 8:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I still hate SD cards as well. The little plastic bars that separate > the contacts tend to start coming apart. And when one of them gets > in the way of the contact, the card won't read. I've had to remove > some to access my files. I would be

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Bob Sullivan wrote: > Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. And not just *any* religion: The strongest resemblance is to the Church of Scientology! (and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls into the same category, at least here in the U.S.) -- PDML Pe

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- Original Message - From: "Charles Robinson" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > > After fixing a camera and a card reader which each had their CF pins > bent from having a card shoved in less-than-perfectly, I can say that > I'd rather repair a

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On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23/3/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. > >Their true believers see the rest of us as ignorant heathens. > > Not true Bob! > > I would say more like hand

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LOL Mighty charitable of you to let us poor handicapped folks slide by here. I owned an Apple IIc once, but got over it. ;-) (They have gotten better since Jobs returned.) Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23/3/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulate

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I've had the plastic dividers fall off two SanDisk Extreme III cards. Never had a problem with CF during four years of use. I've heard stories about bent pins but have neveer run across anyone who actually experienced that. On the other hand, I've rarely met a user of SD cards who hasn't exper

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On Mar 24, 2008, at 8:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I still hate SD cards as well. The little plastic bars that separate > the contacts tend to start coming apart. And when one of them gets > in the way of the contact, the card won't read. I've had to remove > some to access my files. I woul

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>> Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. >> Their true believers see the rest of us as ignorant heathens. Great, now we have a thread dedicated for people insulting others who use a different camera or different computer from theirs. What a fucking brilliant thing to expend word

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I still hate SD cards as well. The little plastic bars that separate the contacts tend to start coming apart. And when one of them gets in the way of the contact, the card won't read. I've had to remove some to access my files. I would be willing to make the camera larger if that means I could g

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On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We're all Pentax Fanboi's (aren't we?). > > I thought Pentax owners were just the opposite: Bitching about > everything Pentax does or makes. Makes us stronger. > > -- > M

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Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're all Pentax Fanboi's (aren't we?). I thought Pentax owners were just the opposite: Bitching about everything Pentax does or makes. -- Mark "I still hate SD memory cards" Roberts ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.ne

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On 23/3/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: >Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. >Their true believers see the rest of us as ignorant heathens. Not true Bob! I would say more like handicapped ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastich

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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois > Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. > Their true believers see the rest of us as ignorant heathens. > I'm a Pentax user until somebody shows me something

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Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions. Their true believers see the rest of us as ignorant heathens. I'm a Pentax user until somebody shows me something more cost effective. No, we are not all Pentax Fanboi's. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:51 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PRO

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On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're all Pentax Fanboi's (aren't we?). Nope. I'm one of those middle of the road types. > Here's an interesting article that > explains the fanboi phenomenon from the Apple perspective: > > http://machinist.salon.com/f

The psychology of fanbois

We're all Pentax Fanboi's (aren't we?). Here's an interesting article that explains the fanboi phenomenon from the Apple perspective: http://machinist.salon.com/feature/2008/03/18/true_enough_excerpt_2/index.ht ml -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/