I sent this to the List 5 days ago and it just got back to my mailbox.
(I wonder whence it wandered).
P. J. Alling wrote:
She was a New York Family Court Judge. She probably had to tone it
down for television.
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:23:03 -, Rob
government may represent the people, however, it's (at least here in us) a
quite separate, effectively, incorporated entity, that can make money, sue,
be sued... i cannot sue the people of connecticut, but i definitely
can do that to
the state of connecticut. e.g, when i am a victim, and the stat
She was a New York Family Court Judge. She probably had to tone it down
for television.
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:23:03 -, Rob Studdert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Jack Davis wrote:
US justice system is far from perfect, i
Ah, 'cause maybe it's a shitty place to be, especially if you don't want
to be someone's girlfriend?
Norm
John Forbes wrote:
Ever wondered why there are so many suicides in jail?
This man was not convicted, but cautioned for
accessing some child porn images on the web. He
may have done it in error -- who knows. Now see
the result of the growing 'mob' hysteria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/13/nkelly213.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_13012006
Don
Bob
John Forbes wrote:
Frank's right. When a deranged individual does harm to somebody, there
may be some excuse or explanation. When the state does harm, through
incompetence or malice, there's no excuse. The damage done by a wrongful
conviction is enormous, and the damage is done to the
>
> ~Not~ that I want to get into things religious, but...
>
> Is this from the same God that destroyed the entire world by
> flood, except one family and his pets in a big boat? Could
> it be that every single person in the world was guilty except
> Noah and his clan?
>
> Hm...
Yup. Th
On 1/12/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Blackstone and Jefferson weren't the first to express the same sentiment:
>
> Abraham came forward and said, "Will You sweep away the innocent along with
> the guilty?
> 24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then
> wip
> >> Thomas Jefferson said that it was better for 100 guilty men to go
> >> free than for one innocent man to be imprisoned. We've
> lost sight of
> >> that these days.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> > Sir William Blackstone, an approximate contemporary of
> Jefferson, is
> > to have said:
> >
> > "Bett
On Jan 11, 2006, at 9:25 AM, frank theriault wrote:
Thomas Jefferson said that it was better for 100 guilty men to go
free than for one innocent man to be imprisoned. We've lost sight of
that these days.
Bob
Sir William Blackstone, an approximate contemporary of Jefferson, is
to have said:
Referring to the innocent being wrongfully convicted and jailed, I said:
> > It's a crime in
> > which we are all complicit, and for which we all bear some
> > responsibility.
And, upon reflection, Keith succinctly asked:
> From where does *that* conclusion derive?
>From democracy. You know,
Frank's right. When a deranged individual does harm to somebody, there
may be some excuse or explanation. When the state does harm, through
incompetence or malice, there's no excuse. The damage done by a wrongful
conviction is enormous, and the damage is done to the victim's family and
f
frank theriault wrote:
On 1/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
unfortunately, taking people's time away from them is also permanent, but as
you say, it's not a perfect system and we have to choose the least of many
evils.
I agree. Not that I want to fan the flames any further, but to
> -Original Message-
> From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 January 2006 00:15
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:59:38 -, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
Good point... I would add - That we know of...
Tom C.
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:38:00 -0500
I donno, he has no children...
(Yes
I donno, he has no children...
(Yes I know I'm baaad).
Tom C wrote:
Wiiliam Robb wrote:
Some 50 or so years ago, Saskatchewan used to routinely sterilize
mental deficients.
I take it you just squeaked by then... could not resist... wide
open... wide wide wide open. :-)
Tom C.
-
Why the personal tone?
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
>
> > You still feel frustrated by your insecurity?
> > Don't do it ag
- Original Message -
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
I take it you just squeaked by then... could not resist... wide open...
wide wide wide open. :-)
I volunteered when I got married, on the theory it's better to do the right
thing yours
Wiiliam Robb wrote:
Some 50 or so years ago, Saskatchewan used to routinely sterilize mental
deficients.
I take it you just squeaked by then... could not resist... wide open... wide
wide wide open. :-)
Tom C.
- Original Message -
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
What's the point? The fact that crimes are comitted does not justify
comitting other "crimes" to catch the criminal. And if it's not the
criminal who's caught, but an inn
In theory.
Tom C.
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To:
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:33:26 -0600
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody M
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
You still feel frustrated by your insecurity?
Don't do it again and you may just get away with it..whatever "it" is.
Jack, I feel frustrated by your stupidity sometimes.
Ot
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
I guess that's better then...
Okay, not idiots (because generally, we're pretty docile). Lobotomize
schizophrenics. That better?
Some 50 or so years ago, Saskatchew
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
It even happens in sleepy small town Saskatchewan, Canada (I'm sure
Wheatfield is familiar with this one):
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/martin/
All it takes is an enthusiastic social w
- Original Message -
From:
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html
I've always been amused by the "we don't know anything so we'll make it up"
method of deriving statistics.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Legally if you are charged and found guilty, you are guilty. That's a
tautology. Whether you've committed
the crime that you're guilty of is beside the point. In most of th
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Foreign policy is that way in every country. Just some are more straight
forward than others.
Well, not really, but you aren't in a position to discuss this one, and it
is so far of
That last message may be exactly that for this thread. It was to
satisfy my need for "closure".
Lets see, where did I put that camera.
Jack
--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jack Davis wote (with my replies interspersed):
>
> >Injustice through ignorance is a reality.
>
> I agree.
>
> >R
Very funny!
Tom C.
I don't know about you, but I'm getting worried about being turned in for
dead horse abuse. :-)
Tom C.
Necrofillyphilia is the legal term.
John
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:59:38 -, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't know about you, but I'm getting worried about being turned in
for dead horse abuse. :-)
Tom C.
Necrofillyphilia is the legal term.
John
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Jack Davis wote (with my replies interspersed):
Injustice through ignorance is a reality.
I agree.
Realizing that's the case, it's easy to say to yourself; "I can't be
responsible for the
unthinking damage they are going to cause to all those connected".
I think the difference is I say to
rights of anyone 18 or older.
>
> All that's needed is a sense of all around fairness and recognition
> that any
> number of wrongs do not make a right.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
> >From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:57:15 -0500
On 1/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> unfortunately, taking people's time away from them is also permanent,
but as
> you say, it's not a perfect system and we
UTTERLY!
Jack
--- Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel the same way. Did you hear about the case in Vermont where
> the
> judge gave an offender who had been raping a 6 year old girl for 4
> years
> only 60 days in jail? The judge said that because vermont did not
> have
> a way of reha
On 1/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> unfortunately, taking people's time away from them is also permanent, but as
> you say, it's not a perfect system and we have to choose the least of many
> evils.
>
I agree. Not that I want to fan the flames any further, but to me, an
innocent perso
Nagging wife can be just as effective.
Jack
--- Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Castration, chemical or otherwise, does not guarantee any type of
> prevention. But the tremendous reduction in testosterone is believed
> to
> help the offender control the impulses greatly.
>
>
> Tom C wrot
Maybe you should do what I have managed to do, until now: ignore it.
But my feelings about this is that the effects of false accusations
are underestimated. They can really ruin someone's life.
First, I think of the fact that I lived next to Oppenheimer´s widow
in 1968, and think of what h
From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:18:27 -0600
I feel the same way. Did you hear about the case in Vermont where the
judge gave an offender who had been raping a 6 year ol
.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:18:27 -0600
I feel the same way. Did you hear about the case in Vermont where the
judge gave an offender who had been raping a 6 year old girl for 4
years only 60 days in jail? The judge said that because vermont did
n
Well written Frank.
Marnie for you to accuse me or othesr of having their heads in the sand, is
just, well, plain insulting.
Tom C.
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: W
On 1/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This thread is making me incredibly angry.
>
> As a feminist is hard to resist ranting about people having their heads in
> the sand.
>
> Or make some comments about mcps. Or something similar.
>
> Again, people seem to want to identify wit
On 11 Jan 2006 at 12:40, John Francis wrote:
> The US Justice system isn't designed to provide justice.
> A better name would be Punishment & Revenge system.
I think the law system and personal justice are divergent entities in most
modern societies.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2
Very similar to what I just posted... read your thoughts after the fact, and
I agree 100%
Tom C.
From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To:
Subject: RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:23:45 -
People who are wrongly a
That's ridiculous but how would it justify accusing, trying, convicting and
innocent person?
Tom C.
From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:18:27 -0600
I feel t
much victims as anyone else.
Tom C.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:01:03 EST
This thread is making me incredibly angry.
As a feminist is hard to resist ranting about peop
>
> Until the justice system is 100% effective (which it never
> ever can be, due to human error) we must avoid permanent
> punishments, such as execution, castration, lobotomy, etc.
> It's only humane...
>
unfortunately, taking people's time away from them is also permanent, but as
you say,
scuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:40:35 EST
http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html
Marnie aka Doe
LOL... seriously.
Tom C.
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:09:04 -0500
I'd like to see some footnotes on their "facts". Do
I feel the same way. Did you hear about the case in Vermont where the
judge gave an offender who had been raping a 6 year old girl for 4 years
only 60 days in jail? The judge said that because vermont did not have
a way of rehabilitating the offender, that it was not worth keeping him
in jail
Castration, chemical or otherwise, does not guarantee any type of
prevention. But the tremendous reduction in testosterone is believed to
help the offender control the impulses greatly.
Tom C wrote:
When you get right down to it... does any kind of castration guarantee
that the offender won'
want that.
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 January 2006 21:01
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> This thread is making me incredibly angry.
>
> As a fem
Of course not. Otherwise it would be spelt huperbole.
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 January 2006 19:11
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> On 1/11/06,
This thread is making me incredibly angry.
As a feminist is hard to resist ranting about people having their heads in
the sand.
Or make some comments about mcps. Or something similar.
Again, people seem to want to identify with the wrongly accused instead of
with the thousands and thousands of
I'd like to see some footnotes on their "facts". Don't think I'm
insensitive, but how the hell do you even claim a hard percentage on an
unreported crime. It's unreported! At best it's an educated guess, at
worst it's a number someone pulled out of their a**. It's not
surprising that a majo
Marnie, I wonder how many of the crimes are committed multiple times by
those being released back onto the flanks of society.
Obviously, terms of sentences and rehab (yeah, right) facilities are
woefully inadequate.
Most troubling thing is that the law often allows for a stiffer
sentence than is im
http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html
Marnie aka Doe
> of
> champions of childrens' rights, thereby trampling on the rights of
> all,
> parents, children, families.
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>
Not at all. No problem!
Thanks,
Jack
--- John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is an example of people rushing wrongly to judgement. A local
> council removed children from their families because some idiot
> believed
> rumours about satanism. The consequences were devastating.
>
Tom C wrote:
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While we're at it, lobotomize idiots.
What would be the point in that?
I'll get back to you on that... I just sent a request for volunteers
to the Kodak Disc Camera Users Group. I'm sure someone will want the
opportunity.
Tom C.
I guess that's better then...
frank theriault wrote:
On 1/11/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What would be the point in that?
Okay, not idiots (because generally, we're pretty docile). Lobotomize
schizophrenics. That better?
cheers,
frank, who was just using hyperb
Interesting that the social workers involved, who created this mess, are
now being protected:
"BBC lawyer David Attfield told Today that the injunction had prevented the
naming of social workers to avoid identification by association of the
families."
Seems to me that the people who caused the p
Foreign policy is that way in every country. Just some are more
straight forward than others.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "John Francis"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
The US Justice system isn't designed to provide justice.
A bette
es it's
declaration, your guilt is in doubt. At least that's how
it's supposed to work in theory.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re:
Vigilant or Bloody Minded
While some say that if you're charged and fou
On 1/11/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is an example of people rushing wrongly to judgement. A local
> council removed children from their families because some idiot believed
> rumours about satanism. The consequences were devastating.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ma
become some kind of
champions of childrens' rights, thereby trampling on the rights of all,
parents, children, families.
Tom C.
From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Da
scores of similar news stories in the US.
Tom C.
From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:15:56 -
Here is an example of people rushing wrongly to jud
Here is an example of people rushing wrongly to judgement. A local
council removed children from their families because some idiot believed
rumours about satanism. The consequences were devastating.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4602268.stm
There are always far too many peo
You still feel frustrated by your insecurity?
Don't do it again and you may just get away with it..whatever "it" is.
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bl
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While we're at it, lobotomize idiots.
What would be the point in that?
I'll get back to you on that... I just sent a request for volunteers to the
Kodak Disc Camera Users Group. I'm sure someone will want the opportunity.
Tom C.
frank ther
On 1/11/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What would be the point in that?
Okay, not idiots (because generally, we're pretty docile). Lobotomize
schizophrenics. That better?
cheers,
frank, who was just using hyperbole to make a point...
ps: hyperbole does not rhyme with Superb
While we're at it, lobotomize idiots.
What would be the point in that?
frank theriault wrote:
On 1/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Someone proven by the courts to be guilty is likely to be guilty. I'm
happy with the risk he might be innocent. Balls away!
And I say let's
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
How so?
To start with, advocating the persecution of people who have not been
charged with a crime.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "John Francis"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
The US Justice system isn't designed to provide justice.
A better name would be Punishment & Revenge system.
That could also be an apt describer of the foreign policy sys
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
While some say that if you're charged and found guilty, you're more than
likely guilty.
Hell, some say if you know a person charged, you are guilty by association.
William Robb
Okay, chase is over.
Jack
--- Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Jack Davis wrote:
>
> > You're right, it was Kostas who used the "personal tone". My
> apologies,
> > Rob.
> > Kostas?
>
> No, no personal tone in the "gut feeling" statement, went for a joke
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:31:13AM -0500, Bob Shell wrote:
>
> On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
> >I would venture to say that none of us wants to see a guilty party
> >go free. Speaking for myself, I even more so, don't want to see an
> >innocent party found guilty and punished.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Jack Davis wrote:
You're right, it was Kostas who used the "personal tone". My apologies,
Rob.
Kostas?
No, no personal tone in the "gut feeling" statement, went for a joke
that did not quite work. The "metrics" part you have answered. The
"humorist" comment is John's.
On 1/11/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh? You calling me sheepish?
Ewe're being a ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d boy.
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Huh? You calling me sheepish?
Dave :-)
On 1/11/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/11/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > They're you go again!
>
> Or, perhaps I should have said: They're ewe go a gain...
>
>
>
> -frank
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois conce
From what I've heard, here in the US, there are states that forcibly
administer this medication while in prison. Some criminals voluntarily
enter the program because of the inability to repress the predatory
cravings.
P. J. Alling wrote:
This depends upon the "criminal" medicating himself.
On 1/11/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They're you go again!
Or, perhaps I should have said: They're ewe go a gain...
-frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
On 1/11/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oops...LOL
>
> I'd prefer miss quoted...but to each there own.
>
> ;-)
They're you go again!
-frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
You're right, it was Kostas who used the "personal tone". My apologies,
Rob.
Kostas?
Jack
--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahh... Rob didn't say that. He said:
>
> "Yeah, Judge Judy airs here too"
>
> This is the problem with chopping emails up, people get miss quoted.
>
> Dave
>
oops...LOL
I'd prefer miss quoted...but to each there own.
;-)
Dave
On 1/11/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/11/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is the problem with chopping emails up, people get miss quoted.
>
> That's Mister Quoted to you, buddy!
>
On 1/11/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the problem with chopping emails up, people get miss quoted.
That's Mister Quoted to you, buddy!
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Ahh... Rob didn't say that. He said:
"Yeah, Judge Judy airs here too"
This is the problem with chopping emails up, people get miss quoted.
Dave
On 1/11/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As you say, you're missing some posts.
> The statement is a parroting of a formula comment picked u
On 1/11/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson said that it was better for 100 guilty men to go
> free than for one innocent man to be imprisoned. We've lost sight of
> that these days.
>
> Bob
Sir William Blackstone, an approximate contemporary of Jefferson, is
to have said
As you say, you're missing some posts.
The statement is a parroting of a formula comment picked up (professed)
in high school. It was offered with a curiosity about the reaction.
Rob, why the personal tone?
Jack
--- Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, John Forb
How so?
Jack
--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
> > I would venture to say that none of us wants to see a guilty party
>
> > go free. Speaking for myself, I even more so, don't want to see an
>
> > innocent party found guilty and puni
On 1/11/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While some say that if you're charged and found guilty, you're more than
> likely guilty.
>
> However, in recent years, DNA testing, various civil liberty groups,
> attorneys with a cause, and so on, have found that a greater percentage of
> t
While some say that if you're charged and found guilty, you're more than
likely guilty.
However, in recent years, DNA testing, various civil liberty groups,
attorneys with a cause, and so on, have found that a greater percentage of
the guilty than ever before thought, were innocent.
Locking someo
On 1/10/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some poor bastard in Virginia was executed. They are doing DNA testing
> now to prove his innocence (sorry haven't followed up; don't know if was
> completed or not). Sometimes the courts fail.
>
>
Here in Canada, we've had several cases over
On 1/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Someone proven by the courts to be guilty is likely to be guilty. I'm
> happy with the risk he might be innocent. Balls away!
And I say let's bring back forced sterilization of mental deficients.
While we're at it, lobotomize idiots.
cheers,
frank
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:23:03 -, Rob Studdert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Jack Davis wrote:
US justice system is far from perfect, it's only the best one in the
world.
Yeah, Judge Judy airs here too. ;-)
Rob Studdert
Judge Judy is a m
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:23:03 -, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Jack Davis wrote:
US justice system is far from perfect, it's only the best one in the
world.
Yeah, Judge Judy airs here too. ;-)
Rob Studdert
On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom C wrote:
I would venture to say that none of us wants to see a guilty party
go free. Speaking for myself, I even more so, don't want to see an
innocent party found guilty and punished.
The first case is most likely one of justice (or retribution)
postpo
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:23:03 -, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Jack Davis wrote:
US justice system is far from perfect, it's only the best one in the
world.
Yeah, Judge Judy airs here too. ;-)
Rob Studdert
He's quite the humourist, this Jack Davis
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Tom C wrote:
It gets worse when the accusing party is an arm of the government,
the same government of which the judicial branch is an arm, and
the judge knows the accusing party on a regular first name basis.
This is a long-ish read... but probably not surpri
Yes, the word was there for a reason.
Jack
--- "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: RE:
> Vigilant
> > or Bloody Minded
> >
> >
>
Referenced that in a reply to Shel.
Jack
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
>
> > You don't seriously think that one would receive a 23 ye
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