Re: [PEIRCE-L] A War of Necessity

2014-10-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Exclusion is on my list of evils. Tolerance is on my list of goods - values that tend to truth and beauty. Peirce connection? I believe it is inevitable that a fully developed pragmaticism would reckon with values and ultimately reject an ethics based on virtues (Aristotle). Connection to Robert?

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-10-01 Thread John Collier
At 03:24 PM 2014-09-30, Howard Pattee wrote: At 08:58 PM 9/29/2014, Clark Goble wrote: HP: To get a fairer picture of how physicists think, please peruse this survey. CG: I'd seen that before. While it's a great guide to interpretations of quantum mechanics it really doesn't address the

[PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
What's the use of getting up in the morning? Never mind that now, I'm already up. Be constructive. Try to focus on something positive. Okay, then, what's the use of logic? You call that focused? Be more specific! So what's the use of a logical system, if you think of logic as embodied in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, Maybe I've underestimated the amount of instrumentalism - it's hard for me to discern how seriously people take their own ideas of 'useful fictions' in practice. Often enough the phrase 'useful fiction' seems a cynical or self-deprecating way to say enlightening approximation.

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7038] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-01 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Gary R, Yes, that quote at the end of your post (CP2.231, also EP2:282-3) is worth reflecting on in this context; but then that's true of the whole Speculative Grammar section of the Syllabus. Every time I read part of it, it seems that another word in the crossword puzzle gets filled in,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7041] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, lists, Gary wrote that in rereading the Speculative Grammar part of the Syllabus that this struck him: GF: that the interpretant of a dicisign or proposition represents the sign itself as well as its object, and represents it as an *index* -- which, strictly speaking, lacks the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.4

2014-10-01 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Lists, I’ve heard from Frederik that he’s dealing with a patch of ill health, so we may not hear from him for a few more days. In the meantime maybe we can all study Chapter 3 (at least up to chapter 5) so that we’ll be ready when direct discussion of the dicisign doctrine resumes. gary f.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-01 Thread Clark Goble
On Oct 1, 2014, at 8:50 AM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Maybe I've underestimated the amount of instrumentalism - it's hard for me to discern how seriously people take their own ideas of 'useful fictions' in practice. And I should add my own important caveat. I’m simply not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-01 Thread Clark Goble
(Changed title to distinguish it from Natural Propositions thread and to match my previously renamed posts) On Oct 1, 2014, at 4:00 AM, John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za wrote: The more contemporary nominalism is based in a view of language and thought (which is understood on a linguistic

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Jon, List, Instead of embodied in systems, I think, logic is embodied in the biggest possible system, the universe, as a part of its thirdness (structure, continuum). Other aspects of this thirdness, I would say, are natural laws and constants. For subsystems like organisms or social systems,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: There is a logical fallacy in my text: If the universe has a superstructure (logic), it cannot be the biggest possible system. Ok, so it is not. Hi Jon, List, Instead of embodied in systems, I think, logic is embodied in the biggest possible system, the universe, as a part of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - I'm confused by your comments. First, a society, as an existential organism, can't operate solely within a mode of Thirdness because Thirdness, as the laws-of-continuity is a general and not a specific and thus itself operates only in relation to the modes of Secondness and Firstness.

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Edwina, passive negation is eg.: I do not think, that A is B. This can be, because I have not made up my mind yet, or, because I am not interested in A and B, or, because I have not understood it, or, because I do not believe either in the well-definedness of the concept of A, or B, or both,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-10-01 Thread Howard Pattee
On Oct 1, 2014, at 4:00 AM, John Collier wrote: I think that it is a given that for any realist position there is a nominalist position in the contemporary sense that can fit the same assent structure. Typically one is realist about some things, but not others (for example one can be a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7045] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R, Gary F., lists, There seemed some inconsistency here, especially because of the date November 1903 appearing with the subindex quote, but date is for the start of the lecture series and isn't date of the MS itself. EP Headnotes indicate that CP 2.292-4 (including the hyposemes) is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7045] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Correction, sorry, the subindex quote was from CP 2.274, but that also was from MS 478 (the third section of Syllabus) just like the passage with the Singular Symbol in CP 2.293. - Best Ben Gary R, Gary F., lists, There seemed some inconsistency here, especially because of the date November

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7045] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-10-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Gary F, lists, So, putting your posts together, Ben, I think that you're saying that the *Singular Symbol* is better understood as the Subindex (you earlier remarked that Peirce didn't stick with the Singular Symbol notion)? Or are they equivalent terms? And what do you make of the Abstract

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14412 HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14420 HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14421 ET:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14424 Helmut, List,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7041] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3 Triadic triad as a 9-fold way and provocative questions. :-) :-) :-)

2014-10-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: (N.B. 1: This message contains technical arguments that may be incomprehensible to non-technical readers.) (N.B. 2: This message also contains Peircian coinages that may be incomprehensible to non-Peircian readers.) The scientific origins of the meaning of the unique CSP-created logic

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Hello Jon, If you have links to the earlier discussions of the distinction between triadicities and trichotomies, I'd like to take a look. In addition to being interested in distinction you are making, I'd like to read more about how you are thinking about the projection of the triadic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jeff D., Jon, I'd just like to note that the questions of triads versus trichotomies is something that we've discussed a number of times at peirce-l over the years. For my part, I like using those words in the way that Jon and others have recommended - 'triad' for the triadically related