[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Jeffrey Brian Downard At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14434 Jeff, List, I had a faint memory of discussing the relation between k-adic and k-tomic with Tom Gollier in my early days on the Peirce List, and for once my memory serves me well. I found this link

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-04 Thread Sungchul Ji
(The undistorted figure is attached.) Ben wrote: (100414-1) “Most generally a triad is a trio. A predicate is called triadic if it is predicated of three objects like so: Pxyz. In Peirce's system a genuine triad is one involving irred

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The more I pondered the first two quotations from the Syllabus that Frederik cited in Chapter 3.4, the more I felt compelled to study that part of the text in detail, and I eventually copied out a longer extract from EP 2, 275–277, taking that over the comparable but editorially alte

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jon, I am afraid your answer is as incomprehensible to me as was your original remark that prompted my question. With all the best. Sung > Thread: > JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 > JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 > GF:ht

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Ben, list, It is my understanding that the mathematical category is another name for semiosis. In other words, a category is to mathematicians hat semiosis is to semioticians. To quote Peirce from http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/rsources/76DEFS/76defs.HTM: A "sign" is anything, A, which, (1) in

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Sung, List, Maybe it would help if you told me whether you wish to have: (1) a mathematical discussion about mathematical categories or (2) a philosophical discussion about mathematical categories. In Case 1, I can only say what I always say when you bring up this subject, to wit, that it would

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sungchul, list I know next to nothing about category theory. Most generally a triad is a trio. A predicate is called triadic if it is predicated of three objects like so: /Pxyz/. In Peirce's system a genuine triad is one involving irreducibly triadic action, called semiosis, among three corr

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-03 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jon "Trying to comprehend triadic relations by means of their projective trichotomies is a project ultimately doomed to fail." A couple of concrete examples would help in understanding what you mean by the doomed failure you are referring to. With all the best. Sung

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Another passage from ''Natural Propositions'' that appeared to light up before my mind's eye — I'm guessing because of all the time I whiled away wrestling with divergent views of assertion when I first began studying the history of logic — is this selection from Chapter 3. 3.4.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Theme: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalink

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jon, List: It appears to me that your distinction is one that needs to carefully examined. Please cite the reference texts. Clearly, the triadic triad is not a mathematical partition. Period. Full Stop. End of Narrative. Why anyone would thin so is beyond my comprehension. Your concerns about

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Jeff, The earliest such discussions go back to the turn of the millennium and the Texas Tech server and might not be possible to find anymore, but I probably posted various renditions to other lists and archives that are still around. Given time and a little thought I could probably reconstruc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
e Our Ideas Clear." Thanks, Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 ________ From: Jon Awbrey [jawb...@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 7:44 PM To: Peirce List 1 Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages -

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
et] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 7:44 PM To: Peirce List 1 Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gm

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Fuhrman
box except to take up spacetime. gary f. -Original Message- From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 27-Sep-14 11:09 PM To: Frederik Stjernfelt Cc: PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu; Gary Fuhrman; Gary Richmond; Benjamin Udell Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages Ga

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
Gary F, Gary R, List, It has long been my practice to maintain a separation between original source texts and their various interpretant texts and I continue to believe that this is the better practice from the standpoint of both scholarship and encouraging critical thinking than dicing and sl

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalin

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, I think it helps to reflect on the previous excerpt from "Kaina Stoicheia" in a somewhat larger context: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003187.html o~o~o~o~o~o~o KS. Note 7 o~o~o~o~o~

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, A passage from “3.3. Dicisigns: Signs Separately Indicating Their Object”. True to Peirce's general way of investigating sign types, he describes Dicisigns compositionally, functionally, and systematically. As Hilpinen (1992) says, Peirce's recurrent and “standard” definition of D

[PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-09-25 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jon, I think it would be better if you would combine the quotes from NP and your comments in a single message. It would also be better if you (and everyone) would send posts only to the list(s), i.e. delete the addresses of individuals from your address field before you send, as that would avoid un

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-24 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Here is the first passage I wanted to single out for further reflection, from “3.2. The Extension of the Dicisign Concept”. I have broken out the separate points of the long paragraph to facilitate study and discussion. As always, please let me know if you find any typos in my tran