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2015-07-14 Thread mig...@cegri.es
a Taborsky; Benjamin Udell; *Subject:* Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Ozzie, Stephen, Stephen, List, I agree. And I think, that idealists are in fact realists, because: Liberty, equality, fraternity and justice are not only ideals, but also human instincts,

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2015-07-14 Thread John Collier
can’t be fully specified. Messengers not blamed in my understanding. John From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: July 14, 2015 7:37 PM To: John Collier Cc: Peirce List Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic I was merely being a messenger

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2015-07-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
ily explained. > > > > John > > > > *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* July 14, 2015 7:14 PM > *To:* John Collier; Peirce List > *Subject:* Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive > Logic > > > > Here

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2015-07-14 Thread John Collier
to me to be too robust to be so easily explained. John From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: July 14, 2015 7:14 PM To: John Collier; Peirce List Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Here is a squib: 118. In the first place all that

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2015-07-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
*Sent:* July 12, 2015 8:04 PM > *To:* ozzie...@gmail.com > *Cc:* Stephen Jarosek; Edwina Taborsky; Benjamin Udell; < > peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > *Subject:* Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive > Logic > > > > Ozzie, Stephen, Stephen, List, > &g

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2015-07-14 Thread John Collier
; Benjamin Udell; Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Ozzie, Stephen, Stephen, List, I agree. And I think, that idealists are in fact realists, because: Liberty, equality, fraternity and justice are not only ideals, but also human instincts, inherited structure of

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2015-07-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Thank you, Ben, for your detailed explanation. I understand it completely. From time to time I had the instinctive urge to contradict one or the other theory that had appeared in the thread. Now, about "Instincts", there is a discussion in Biosemiotics List (Ozzie, are you a member of Biosemioti

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2015-07-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
Helmut, I suggested back on July 12, 2015, that the thread be brought back to explicit relations to Peirce - I did see that the thread had earlier been explicitly or at least clearly related to Peirce. You made the same kind of point very well on July 2 2015, saying "It is Peirce-related only i

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2015-07-13 Thread Ozzie
Helmut - You asked "What kind of signs are instincts, inherited representamens and immediate objects?" I'll venture a perspective: In problem-solving (or creative activity), curious instinct is the force behind abduction, representamens summarize inductive insights about objects, and objects co

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2015-07-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
        Ben Novaks Book is Peirce-related, because it is about abduction, and how abduction was misused by Hitler. Edwina had mentioned many other historical, economical, and other causes for this ideology. This was Peirce related because it was about the fixation of belief. Instincts for exam

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2015-07-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Ben Novaks Book is Peirce-related, because it is about abduction, and how abduction was misused by Hitler. Edwina had mentioned many other historical, economical, and other causes for this ideology. This was Peirce related because it was about the fixation of belief. Instincts for example are re

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I thought I raised a valid point but I think it turned out to be a red flag. Sorry. Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU Art: http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts: http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > Stephen, please don't join in the insultingly trivializing games t

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2015-07-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Stephen, please don't join in the insultingly trivializing games that others have played with the meaning of "Peirce-related", and please don't convert it to a question of what is Peirce is relevant or related to. PEIRCE-L has the audience that it has because of the promise of Peirce-related di

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Peirce is relevant to the issues we are discussing, particularly to the relationship between semiosis then and now, to the growing iteration and acceptance of triadic rather than binary thinking, and to the huge sea change which Helmut just noted. There is a text probably prominent on Arisbe that l

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2015-07-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Folks, I'm not the moderator (that's Gary Richmond), just the co-manager, but it seems like this thread has gotten away from explicitly Peirce-related matters. Is it possible to bring it back to Peirce matters? Best, Ben On 7/12/2015 6:24 PM, Thomas wrote: Helmet ~ Local "culture" is like a

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2015-07-12 Thread Thomas
Helmet ~ Local "culture" is like a species or a language or a market area: largely defined by limits on transportation. Since culture travels on the internet (literature, movies, news, fashion, music) much faster than people can travel/migrate/mix by conventional means, certain shared values a

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2015-07-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
that takes on a life of its own. sj   From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca] Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2015 2:54 PM To: Thomas Cc: Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   Yes, very nice outline, Thomas, of the

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
ion is neither liberal nor > conservative]. sj > > > > *From:* Ozzie [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* Sunday, 12 July 2015 7:26 PM > *To:* Stephen Jarosek > *Cc:* Edwina Taborsky; Benjamin Udell; > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

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2015-07-12 Thread Ozzie
; serious about maintaining true democratic principles. [and for what it’s > worth, my position is neither liberal nor conservative]. sj > > From: Ozzie [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 7:26 PM > To: Stephen Jarosek > Cc: Edwina Taborsky; Benjamin U

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen Jarosek
what it’s worth, my position is neither liberal nor conservative]. sj From: Ozzie [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 7:26 PM To: Stephen Jarosek Cc: Edwina Taborsky; Benjamin Udell; Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Stephen ~ I

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2015-07-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
ar by multiculturalism/identity politics can be even more racist, bigoted and irrational than any majority...is naive in the extreme.   Edwina     - Original Message - From: Thomas To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Benjamin Udell ; Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1

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2015-07-12 Thread Ozzie
hat the > well-intentioned idealist becomes naught but a useful idiot... useful as a > public face of the bureaucratic machine that takes on a life of its own. > sj > > From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca] > Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2015 2:54 PM > To: Thomas > C

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
ists, and there is no solution to this conflict of interest. It is at > this juncture that the well-intentioned idealist becomes naught but a > useful idiot... useful as a public face of the bureaucratic machine that > takes on a life of its own. > > sj > > > > *From:* Edw

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen Jarosek
ay, 11 July 2015 2:54 PM To: Thomas Cc: Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Yes, very nice outline, Thomas, of the strength of the 'melting pot' tactic, which I support. And that's why I'm against t

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
; *From:* Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca ] > *Sent:* Saturday, 11 July 2015 2:54 PM > *To:* Thomas > *Cc:* Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic > > > > Yes, very nice outline, Thomas,

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2015-07-12 Thread Stephen Jarosek
gt; Cc: Benjamin Udell <mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com> ; <mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu%3e> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Edwina ~ Germans and the other groups you listed have all assimilated into Amer

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2015-07-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Tom, it sounds like you have javascript disabled. - Best, Ben On 7/11/2015 6:52 PM, Ozzie wrote:, Ben N ~ I tried several times to download your dissertation, but the website was unresponsive. So I gave up. Regards, Tom Wyrick - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "R

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2015-07-11 Thread Ozzie
sky wrote: >> >> No, Helmut, I don't think that the German people 'had more barbaric >> instincts than other people'. We are all similar in our capacity for >> emotional irrationality and violence. When a societal system of law and >> order breaks down

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2015-07-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
empirical and logical validation. Furthermore, if fascism became dominant in Nazi Germany, then, why did it also become dominant in Italy? Was Mussolini also 'a mystery'? Edwina ----- Original Message - From: Ben Novak Cc: Benjamin Udell ; PEIRCE-L Sent: Saturday, July

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2015-07-11 Thread Ben Novak
> 'Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority shares in it'. > Democracy, to be just, requires a constitution and the rule of law, set up > as created by men, and capable of change by men, but applicable to all. > > Edwina > > - Original Message - >

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2015-07-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
bigoted and irrational than any majority...is naive in the extreme. Edwina - Original Message - From: Thomas To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Benjamin Udell ; Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Edwin

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2015-07-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
x27;.  Democracy, to be just, requires a constitution and the rule of law, set up as created by men, and capable of change by men, but applicable to all. Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: Ozzie Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:51 PM Subje

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2015-07-10 Thread Thomas
rise was a mysterious event. I remain focused on the economic, political and societal infrastructure - which can decimate a culture's deep beliefs in a decade. We have our own examples. Edwina - Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Udell To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Friday, July 10

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
decimate a culture's deep beliefs in a decade. We have our own examples. Edwina - Original Message - From: Benjamin Udell To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Having grown up

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2015-07-10 Thread Benjamin Udell
aborsky ; ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic I agree, that his "abduction-type message is" only "a big part of that success". Tenacity, authority and apriori also are. I wrote, that

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2015-07-10 Thread Ozzie
till quite something to see when > you cross the border between the two. > > Edwina > ----- Original Message - > From: Ozzie > To: Edwina Taborsky > Cc: Helmut Raulien ; ; Peirce List > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published

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2015-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
hen > you cross the border between the two. > > Edwina > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ozzie > *To:* Edwina Taborsky > *Cc:* Helmut Raulien ; > ; Peirce List > *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 2:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published:

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
- Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: Ozzie Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic I agree, that his "abduction-type message is" only "a big

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
or Hitler's political tactics. Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: stever...@gmail.com Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive L

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2015-07-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
ascism or Hitler's political tactics.   Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: stever...@gmail.com Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   Now I am wonderin

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2015-07-10 Thread Ozzie
dwina > - Original Message - > From: Helmut Raulien > To: stever...@gmail.com > Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM > Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic > > Now I am wondering, which of the

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2015-07-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
er's political tactics.   Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: stever...@gmail.com Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   Now I am wondering, which of

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2015-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Helmut Raulien > *To:* stever...@gmail.com > *Cc:* Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List > > *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM > *Subject:* Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive > Logic > > Now I am wondering, which of the four methods of fixating belief

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
irce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Now I am wondering, which of the four methods of fixating belief did Hitler use? According to Ben Novak it is like this, I think: He was tenacious, but that is no

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2015-07-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
- Original Message - From: Stephen C. Rose To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   And scientific method's hold on the present is more secure than in the past and there

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2015-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
rselves. There is only one scientific method, but there are >> three methods of irrational belief in Peirce's work. >> >> Edwina >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Stephen C. Rose >> *To:* Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List &

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
To: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic All Edwina says is fine. My only caveat is that the tendency of what she calls utopianism (that assumption needs some proving

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
na Ed - Original Message ----- From: Ben Novak To: Benjamin Udell Cc: PEIRCE-L Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Dear Ben U: Thank you for your many compliments to the readability of the dissertation

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2015-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
gt; or mystical element. >>> >>> For example, you claim that when his party took power, German politics >>> consisted of 28 parties - why was Hitler's dominant? In Canada, at the >>> federal level, there are 26 political parties - and there is nothing >>

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
e three methods of irrational belief in Peirce's work. Edwina - Original Message - From: Stephen C. Rose To: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic All Edwina says is fine.

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2015-07-10 Thread Ben Novak
is not rooted in >> pragmatic reality but in a notion of utopian purity of the past, such that >> 'if only we returned to that pure mode', then, all would be well. It is now >> rampant in the Al Qaeda (from the 19th c!) and ISIS of the MENA. There are, >> I maintain

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2015-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
ler. > > And then, we must acknowledge that fascism is not unique to one era and > one man, but, we are all susceptible to a 'Fixation of Belief' by > irrational means. > > Edwina > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ben Novak > *To:* Edwina Tabor

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2015-07-10 Thread Benjamin Udell
? What is abductive about Hitler's 'reasoning'? Again, my view - and I say it is my view - is that the onus for explanation of a topic is not to have readers buy your book or read it online, but for you to explain key points to us - and then, explain why you align i

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
arious cult figures, of wealthy preachers, of due to their being logical? Or for some other reason(s)? What is abductive about Hitler's 'reasoning'? Again, my view - and I say it is my view - is that the onus for explanation of a topic is not to have readers buy your

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2015-07-10 Thread Ben Novak
some examples would be > helpful. His behaviour around Stalingrad was hardly logical. > > Is the popularity of various cult figures, of wealthy preachers, of due > to their being logical? Or for some other reason(s)? > > What is abductive about Hitler's 'reasoning&#x

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2015-07-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I still think, is useful on a list. Edwina - Original Message - From: Ozzie To: Benjamin Udell Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Ben ~ Thanks for your helpful sum

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2015-07-09 Thread Benjamin Udell
ut for you to explain key points to us - and then, explain why you align it with Peircean theory. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Ben Novak <mailto:trevriz...@gmail.com> *To:* Stephen Jarosek <mailto:sjaro...@iinet.net.au> *Cc:* Stephen C. Rose <mailto:stever...@gma

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2015-07-09 Thread Ozzie
be >> helpful. His behaviour around Stalingrad was hardly logical. >> >> Is the popularity of various cult figures, of wealthy preachers, of due to >> their being logical? Or for some other reason(s)? >> >> What is abductive about Hitler's 'reasonin

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2015-07-09 Thread Benjamin Udell
this path; social media are filled with examples of speculation gone wild. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Benjamin Udell <mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com> *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently publishe

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2015-07-09 Thread Benjamin Udell
blems are due to others, not their own fiscal policies. Think of mobs, which all follow this path; social media are filled with examples of speculation gone wild. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Benjamin Udell <mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com> *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.e

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2015-07-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
nced that their problems are due to others, not their own fiscal policies. Think of mobs, which all follow this path; social media are filled with examples of speculation gone wild. Edwina - Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Udell To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Thursday,

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2015-07-09 Thread Benjamin Udell
n Novak <mailto:trevriz...@gmail.com> *To:* Stephen Jarosek <mailto:sjaro...@iinet.net.au> *Cc:* Stephen C. Rose <mailto:stever...@gmail.com> ; Peirce List <mailto:Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu> *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitle

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2015-07-09 Thread Stephen C. Rose
to explain key points to us - and then, explain why you > align it with Peircean theory. > > Edwina > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ben Novak > *To:* Stephen Jarosek > *Cc:* Stephen C. Rose ; Peirce List > > *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:

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2015-07-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
but for you to explain key points to us - and then, explain why you align it with Peircean theory. Edwina - Original Message - From: Ben Novak To: Stephen Jarosek Cc: Stephen C. Rose ; Peirce List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently publ

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2015-07-09 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben: I remain a bit puzzled by the nature of the work. Perhaps because of the fuzzy nature of CSP's abduction from an abstract point of view. This area of analysis is remote from my interests, but I would note that I travelled in East Germany in 1971 and lectured (in German) on my scientific

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2015-07-09 Thread Ben Novak
cessible to their message **will have gone." *Oswald Spengler On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Stephen Jarosek wrote: > Stephen, you make my point impeccably. ‘nuff said ;) > > > > *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, 9 July 2015 5:

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2015-07-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
. But the bottom line is that no, evil is not some other place or some other time. It is here and it is now. Welcome to the zombie apocalypse. sj   From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 5:30 PM To: Edwina Taborsky; Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rec

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2015-07-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, you make my point impeccably. ‘nuff said ;)   From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 5:27 PM To: Stephen Jarosek; Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   Again this topic is too huge and important to

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2015-07-09 Thread Stephen Jarosek
Stephen, you make my point impeccably. ‘nuff said ;) From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 5:27 PM To: Stephen Jarosek; Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Again this topic is too huge and important to

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2015-07-09 Thread Stephen C. Rose
> other place or some other time. It is here and it is now. Welcome to the > zombie apocalypse. > > sj > > > > *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com ] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 July 2015 5:30 PM > *To:* Edwina Taborsky; Peirce List > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L]

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2015-07-09 Thread Stephen Jarosek
revriz...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Ben: Fascinating topic... will attempt to download thesis. from the post by Stephen Jarosek: “Unlike the other forms of logic, abduction is base

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2015-07-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Ben N., all, Let's re-start the thread from this fresh copy and hope that the glitch doesn't recur. Further below I paste Ben Novak's initial post. Here I'll add his info on the URL for the PDF of his book: http://access.cjh.org/home.php?type=extid&term=1055795#1 ...and click all the "

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-08 Thread Ben Novak
Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 07. Juli 2015 um 23:05 Uhr >> *Von:* "Helmut Raulien" >> *An:* stever...@gmail.com >> *Cc:* "Edwina Taborsky" , "Peirce List" < >> Peirce-L@li

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-08 Thread Ben Novak
* stever...@gmail.com > *Cc:* "Edwina Taborsky" , "Peirce List" < > Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu> > *Betreff:* Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive > Logic > > I think, abduction in itself is not a bad thing: It is the "brainstorm" >

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-08 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Gesendet: Dienstag, 07. Juli 2015 um 23:05 Uhr Von: "Helmut Raulien" An: stever...@gmail.com Cc: "Edwina Taborsky" , "Peirce List" Betreff: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic   I think, abduction in itself is not a bad thin

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-07 Thread Helmut Raulien
7;s false methods far more often than they are held by the non-tribal method of science.   Edwina     - Original Message - From: Jerry LR Chandler To: PEIRCE-L Cc: Ben Novak Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductiv

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-07 Thread Stephen C. Rose
ore often than they are held by the non-tribal method of > science. > > Edwina > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jerry LR Chandler > *To:* PEIRCE-L > *Cc:* Ben Novak > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:20 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently publi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
od of science. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jerry LR Chandler To: PEIRCE-L Cc: Ben Novak Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Ben: Fascinating topic... will attempt to download thesis.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben: Fascinating topic... will attempt to download thesis. from the post by Stephen Jarosek: “Unlike the other forms of logic, abduction is based on instinct and has a power over emotions.” Is this your statement? Is this your belief? In your view, what are the linguistic / rhetorical const

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-07 Thread Stephen Jarosek
. Genocentrism is itself derived from abductive reasoning. sj From: Ben Novak [mailto:trevriz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 July 2015 4:36 AM To: Stephen C. Rose Cc: PEIRCE-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic Dear Stephen: I agree that the price is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-05 Thread Ben Novak
Dear Stephen: I agree that the price is outrageously high. Unfortunately, the publisher sets the price, and I have no control over that. It is my hope that soon the price may come down.but, again, I cannot fathom the logic of the publisher. In the meantime, the book is available either in y

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
A less expensive edition might encourage more to buy it. Especially if they have no budget for such purchases. I am sure such a discussion would be of interest. Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU Art: http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts: http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Ben Novak wrote:

[PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-05 Thread Ben Novak
Dear Peirce-L members: Please allow me to join Tom Wyrick in accepting the invitation to introduce ourselves. I am rejoining this List for the third time. I first joined in approximately 1999 when I discovered Charles Sanders Peirce as I was writing my Ph.D. dissertation. Peirce's theory of abduc