Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
puzzling of all the sentences in the message. To me, it reads as a self-contradictory assertion.   Cheers   Jerry     Best, Helmut   Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> An: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Betref

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
ory assertion.   Cheers   Jerry     Best, Helmut   Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> An: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Betreff: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' Edwin

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-04 Thread Jerry Rhee
eads as a self-contradictory assertion. > > Cheers > > Jerry > > > > Best, > Helmut > > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr > *Von:* "Jon Alan Schmidt" > *An:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Betreff:* Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation:

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
s in the message. To me, it reads as a self-contradictory assertion.   Cheers   Jerry     Best, Helmut   Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> An: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Betreff: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recom

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Eugene Halton
Nope. On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 8:06 PM Gary Richmond wrote: > Gene, list, > > Gene quoted Peirce: > > "But the mere putting of a proposition into the interrogative form does > not stimulate the mind to any struggle after belief. There must be a real > and living doubt, and without this all

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Gary Richmond
Gene, list, Gene quoted Peirce: "But the mere putting of a proposition into the interrogative form does not stimulate the mind to any struggle after belief. There must be a real and living doubt, and without this all discussion [is?] idle" (CP 5.376). I doubt that either quibbling or inquiry is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Eugene Halton
I propose the term "the unlimited community of quibblers." It may at first blush seem to suggest some parallels to Peirce's "unlimited community of inquirers," but it somehow seems to last longer with no hope of resolution, despite its promise of the last word. I won't say another word about

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Matt, list: See my responses below. There's nothing contradictory about my posts! On Fri 03/08/18 7:01 PM , Matt Faunce matthewjohnfau...@gmail.com sent: John, Edwina, Gary F., and List, On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:18 PM, John F Sowa wrote: EX 2 I’m glad to see that you now acknowledge the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Matt Faunce
John, Edwina, Gary F., and List, > On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:18 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > EX 2 >> I’m glad to see that you now acknowledge the reality of truth. > > This is a gratuitous insult. Various subscribers to Peirce-L > may quibble about the criteria in different circumstances, but > I'm

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
t, > Helmut > > Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr > Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" > An: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > Betreff: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word > 'you' > Edwina, List: > > The principle that no o

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
te, and trying to explain why I think “Do not > take offense” is a more practical rule. > > Gary f. > > > -----Original Message- > From: John F Sowa > Sent: 2-Aug-18 15:19 > To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email not

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-03 Thread Helmut Raulien
: Freitag, 03. August 2018 um 03:13 Uhr Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" An: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Betreff: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' Edwina, List:   The principle that no one can make someone else feel any particular way does not "im

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: The principle that no one can *make *someone else feel any particular way *does not *"imply that people are almost in a state of self-sufficient isolation." It merely implies that each of us has a measure of *self-control*, as Peirce clearly affirmed. No one else has *control

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
point is worth considering, I also subscribe to academic lists for linguists and computer scientists. And none of the sentences I quoted would occur on those lists. I believe that philosophers should raise their civility to the level of academic discourse in other fields. John ---- Sub

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread gnox
om: John F Sowa Sent: 2-Aug-18 19:19 To: Peirce-L Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' Gary, I made a recommendation based on what another colleague suggested on another list. And that recommendation really helped improve the level of discourse. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
> > > I also subscribe to academic lists for linguists and computer > scientists. And none of the sentences I quoted would occur on > those lists. I believe that philosophers should raise their > civility to the level of academic discourse in other fields. > > John > >

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread John F Sowa
---- Subject: RE:[PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:32:23 -0400 From: g...@gnusystems.ca To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu John, You have taken your example quotes out of context. Now, is the above sentence a “gratuitous insult” because i

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread gnox
ent: 2-Aug-18 15:19 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' Gary F, The practice of avoiding the word 'you' may seem to be trivial, but it is surprisingly effective in reducing the "heat" in heated arguments. GF

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John - thank you - very good advice. Edwina On Thu 02/08/18 3:18 PM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: Gary F, The practice of avoiding the word 'you' may seem to be trivial, but it is surprisingly

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John - thank you - very good advice. Edwina On Thu 02/08/18 3:18 PM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: Gary F, The practice of avoiding the word 'you' may seem to be trivial, but it is surprisingly

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread John F Sowa
Gary F, The practice of avoiding the word 'you' may seem to be trivial, but it is surprisingly effective in reducing the "heat" in heated arguments. GF Shifting the focus from the statement by “taking it personally” and reacting against some imagined slight in it is a habit that can’t be cured

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread gnox
. -Original Message- From: John F Sowa Sent: 2-Aug-18 12:28 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you' In another email list some years ago, a wise soul made a suggestion for reducing heated arguments in a debate: Avoid the word

[PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

2018-08-02 Thread John F Sowa
In another email list some years ago, a wise soul made a suggestion for reducing heated arguments in a debate: Avoid the word 'you'. Every occurrence of the word 'you' shifts the focus from the statement to the person who made the statement. This immediately puts that person on the defensive