Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Am 15.02.2024 um 04:11 schrieb John F Sowa: The biologist Lynn Margulis explained that all living things from bacteria on up exhibit goal-directed actions that non-living things never do. Her simplest example is a bacterium swimming upstream in a glucose gradient. No non-living things would eve

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-14 Thread John F Sowa
As I wrote in reply to Jon, there is a cluster of words in English and other languages that express the goal, purpose, intention, desire, or Thirdness that explains why some agent does something. There was no single word in English that exactly expresses the reason until Peirce coined the word

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John, list I think it would help if you defined ‘intentionality’. Is it involved in all human actions? Did the bus driver intentionally run over the pedestrian? Edwina > On Feb 13, 2024, at 3:26 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > Edwina, > > Please see my response to Mike. > > I used the word 'i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Mike, List: Indeed, the online Commens Dictionary entry for 3ns ( http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/thirdness) consists of 21 Peirce quotations, none of which includes the word "intentionality." Two of them do have the word "intention," and here is the first. CSP: Nature herself often suppli

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi John, CSP: "Some of the ideas of prominent Thirdness which require closer study, preliminary to philosophy, are Continuity, Diffusion, Growth, and Intelligence. . . . the idea of an endless row of discrete objects, which is the image of the system of whole numbers, contains the idea of Thi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, Please see my response to Mike. I used the word 'intentionality' because it (or something like it) is involved in all human actions. For example, I can intentionally walk to the store. But what about each step in the walk? In effect, it is intentional, but it's only conscious when t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread John F Sowa
Mike, I realize that Peirce mentioned "crystals and bees" in the same sentence. But we have to consider his classification of the sciences. Pure mathematics comes first, and it does not depend on anything else. It incudes all varieties, including formal or mathematical logic, discrete math,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List I agree with Mike. Thirdness, in my view, does not imply or require intentionality. That, after all, suggests some kind of consciousness - and I think we find Thirdness in chemical and physical matter - and these forms of matter do not include consciousness. I have a problem with the quot

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-12 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi John, I categorically disagree. Intentionality may be an example of Thirdness, but is not definitive of it. JAS just posted "Continuity represents 3ns almost to perfection" (CP 1.337, c. 1882), which I concur best captures (with Mind) Peirce's prominent view of Thirdness, and contintuity do

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-12 Thread John F Sowa
Mike, In every example and application that Peirce wrote or cited, Thirdness involves intentionality. But intentionality is not an anthropomorphic notion, it is biomorphic in the most fundamental sense. Lynn Margulis wrote that a bacterium swimming upstream in a glucose gradient is a primitiv

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Mike, list I’d define energy as 1ns, with matter being 2ns, and information as these units of 2ns defined within 3ns. By ‘indexicality of locality, I mean that matter functions only within relations with other matter . That is, there is no such thing as an entity/unit//Sign, that is isolate. E