Hi John,

I categorically disagree. Intentionality may be an example of Thirdness, but is not definitive of it. JAS just posted "Continuity represents 3ns almost to perfection" (CP 1.337, c. 1882), which I concur best captures (with Mind) Peirce's prominent view of Thirdness, and contintuity does not require intentionality. You might even diagram it out.

And don't forget crystals (and atoms).

Best, Mike


On 2/12/2024 3:59 PM, John F Sowa wrote:
Mike,

In every example and application that Peirce wrote or cited, Thirdness involves intentionality.  But intentionality is not an anthropomorphic notion, it is biomorphic in the most fundamental sense.

Lynn Margulis wrote that a bacterium swimming upstream in a glucose gradient is a primitive example of intentionality, and no non-living physical system shows any kind of intentionality,  I believe that Peirce would agree, since he cited dogs, parrots, bees, and even plants at various times.

And by the way, viruses don't have intentions, since they're not alive.   They are signs that are interpreted by living things to produce more signs of the same kind.

John

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*From*: "Mike Bergman" <m...@mkbergman.com>

Hi Edwina, Helmut, List,

I would like to hear you expand, Edwina, on what you mean about the 'idexicality of locality'. And, speaking of entropy, here is another possible link to the universal categories.

flash (of light) [1ns] - energy [2ns] - information [3ns]

I've been toying with this thought for quite a few years. Peirce's cosmogony begins with a flash (significantly a reference to light). I don't know if 'flash' is the right analog in Firstness, since both quantum mechanics and the nature of energy can arguably be better traced to the ideas of harmonic oscillators. Still, there is something pregnant in that nexus . . . .

For decades there has been confusion and controversy about entropy in the sense of thermodynamics and its relation to Shannon (information) entropy. It strikes me that recasting these in terms of Peircean Secondness (energy) and Thirdness (information) brings sense to the conundrum. Both apply; it is more a matter of contextual interpretation.

What say the list?

Thanks!

Best, Mike

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