[PEN-L:5562] Re: Okishio vs. Marx

1995-06-15 Thread James Devine
Gil has "one minor comment" on what I said about the Okishio theorem vs. Marx: >>Marx phrased his argument under the assumption that the rate of surplus value is held constant, but I don't read him positing this as the economically relevant condition--rather it's a simplifying assumption stipu

[PEN-L:5561] Re: language

1995-06-15 Thread Jim Jaszewski
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Pamela Sue Fendt wrote: > The jazz fascists of today thump the virtues of the once shunned bebop and > jazz has probably had its most regressive 15 years in all its history > (that is, if you allow the word "jazz" to stand in your way). There are > innovations along free ja

[PEN-L:5560] Re: AFL-CIO Uphe...

1995-06-15 Thread MScoleman
I have been a member of the CWA (Communications Workers of America) for roughly 17 years, and sadly, our very own Morton Bahr is one of the only major union leaders supporting Lane Kirkland. Since I know Bahr personally, it ain't any big surprise. While, like many union types who ha

[PEN-L:5559] Re: query women in prison

1995-06-15 Thread Eugene Coyle
The Bureau of Justice Statistics puts out an annual called "Correctional Populations in the United States. I don't have a recent one handy, but it has tables on prisons -- State and Federal -- and jails, plus those on probation. A glance at a back issue suggests that women are aroun

[PEN-L:5558] Re:suburbs/housing and SSAs

1995-06-15 Thread Eric Nilsson
Marsh Feldman writes > (3) Because the homeowner has some equity to lose, the > Bank is more willing to believe a homeowner will eventually > catch up in payments. I see your point. Maybe a renter can get away without paying rent for 2 months while a homeowner might get by not making mortgage

[PEN-L:5557] New Video: Efecto Tequila

1995-06-15 Thread Leopoldo Rodriguez
"Quihubo Videos" currently has 4 independently produced videos available for English speaking audiences and is working on subtitling and narrating others for distribution in the US and Europe. Videos currently available: EL EFECTO TEQUILA (The Tequila Effect): Produced by COPAL, this video r

[PEN-L:5556] Re: language

1995-06-15 Thread Pamela Sue Fendt
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One could imagine, then, undertaking an essentially mathematical > argument in which none of the words have been replaced by symbols. > . . . > would become a living nightmare. To put it the other way around, you > could think of mathematical sy

[PEN-L:5555] AFL-CIO Upheaval Heralds Renewal (fwd)

1995-06-15 Thread D Shniad
> -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:51:20 -0500 > From: Paul Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Multiple recipients of list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: AFL-CIO Upheaval Heralds Renewal > > long, I confess, but suitable, I hope, for circulation. Please feel fr

[PEN-L:5554] Re: language & math

1995-06-15 Thread John R. Ernst
Gil, Other than as an exercise in gaining clarification concerning Marx's terminology and thus in extending his efforts, how is the Okishio Theorem relevant or "useful." Note that for Okishio not only is the real wage constant but all prices used in determining whether or not the rate of pro

[PEN-L:5553] Re: language

1995-06-15 Thread GSKILLMAN
Addendum to my earlier post on this topic, a thought experiment. 1) Think of a non-definitional and radically critical claim about capitalism you believe to be necessarily true. 2) How would you establish this claim *is* in fact a necessary consequence of capitalism, rather than (say), an acc

[PEN-L:5552] urgent action (fwd)

1995-06-15 Thread D Shniad
> EL SALVADOR *** URGENT ACTION *** EL SALVADOR *** URGENT > June 14, 1995 >MAQUILADORAS WORKERS UNDER ATTACK IN EL SALVADOR > > Dear Friends, > > The National Labor Committee in New York reports that women maquiladora > workers are under attack in El Sa

[PEN-L:5551] Re: language & math

1995-06-15 Thread GSKILLMAN
Jim writes: > In the midst of his very interesting and useful thoughts on math, > Gil writes that "even if one doesn't agree with the premises of > Okishio's theorem, who would have known that Marx's claim was > inconsistent with those premises before Okishio's proof?" > > I think this exampl

[PEN-L:5550] Re: query women in prison

1995-06-15 Thread Jim Jaszewski
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Doug Henwood wrote: > The Sourcebook is huge, fascinating, and free. Not too much longer, I'll bet. > To get your copy, call > 1-800-732-3277. I suppose 'furriners' like Canadians are shit out of luck, eh?

[PEN-L:5549] Re: language & math

1995-06-15 Thread James Devine
In the midst of his very interesting and useful thoughts on math, Gil writes that "even if one doesn't agree with the premises of Okishio's theorem, who would have known that Marx's claim was inconsistent with those premises before Okishio's proof?" I think this example shows up some of the li

[PEN-L:5548] Re: language

1995-06-15 Thread Jim Jaszewski
G. Skillman's little 'article' on mathematics in economics was about the clearest bit of writing I've seen here, or in the Marxism List yet (being a newcomer could have something to so with that). That others could be so focused... I especially enjoyed the example of Jazz used t

[PEN-L:5547] Re: the rise of the central banks

1995-06-15 Thread Mike Meeropol
ONE addition to Doug's restatement of Penny's comment: > > By the way, as Penny Ciancanelli put it, rather nicely I think, the Third > World got a Fisher-style deflation, while the First World gets Minsky > management. > > Doug And, the first world also gets a Steindl/Baran/Sweezy stagnation t

[PEN-L:5546] Re: language

1995-06-15 Thread GSKILLMAN
Doug writes: > I'm still > wondering, though - what is gained by Stiglitz's use of mathematical > reasoning. Does it express something that can't be expressed in words? Does > it deepen the mystery surrounding the priesthood? Does it aim to persuade > an audience that would find mere word non-rig

[PEN-L:5545] Re: query women in prison

1995-06-15 Thread Doug Henwood
At 10:25 AM 6/15/95, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >can anyone send me a reference for the percentage of prisoners which are >female in the 20th century? I would prefer something for Massachusetts or >Boston, but US wide or any north eastern city will do. I am finding that >circa 1830-40, the prison

[PEN-L:5544] Re: query women in prison

1995-06-15 Thread MScoleman
can anyone send me a reference for the percentage of prisoners which are female in the 20th century? I would prefer something for Massachusetts or Boston, but US wide or any north eastern city will do. I am finding that circa 1830-40, the prison population in Boston was 37-45% female in any give

[PEN-L:5543] Re:suburbs/housing and SSAs

1995-06-15 Thread Marshall Feldman
Eric Nilsson writes: >Marsh Feldman writes that the increase in homeownership in >the US might permit workers to weather unemployment better >then before. > >This is because even if workers are unable to make mortgage >payments they typically have many months before the bank >moves to take their

[PEN-L:5542] Washington D.C. Conference (fwd)

1995-06-15 Thread D Shniad
> Please distribute freely: > 3rd Conference on Occupational Stress and Health: Announcement, Part A. > > > WORK, STRESS, AND HEALTH '95: > > CREATING HEALTHIER WORKPLACES. > > >The Third Interdisciplinary Conference on >

[PEN-L:5541] July 1st Labor On Line Conference in S.F. (fwd)

1995-06-15 Thread D Shniad
> ___ > LaborNet Program Coordinator \ Voice: 415/442-0220 x128 > Institute for Global Communications \ Fax: 415/546-1794 > LaborNet*EcoNet*PeaceNet*\ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > WomensNet*ConflictNet*

[PEN-L:5540] Cuba Embargo (fwd)

1995-06-15 Thread D Shniad
> From: Carl Cuneo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Cuba Embargo > X-To: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-cc: Multiple recipients of list LABOR-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Multiple recipients of list LABOR-L <[EMAIL PRO

[PEN-L:5539] RE: Clinton's "balanced budget"

1995-06-15 Thread James Devine
OOPS, I sent the following only to the Rayp, though I think it's probably of more general interest. Glenn Rayp of the University of Antwerp writes: >>... a good reason for reducing the US federal budget deficit would be the balance of payments deficit ... This is comprehensible though. As t

[PEN-L:5538] Re: value & method

1995-06-15 Thread Roderick Hay
Of course both the scarcity and surplus approach appear. The surplus approach doesn't make any sense in the absence of scarcity. If there was no scarcity who would give a damn about surplus. -- Rod On Wed, 14 Jun 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jim Devine writes: > > Both the surplu

[PEN-L:5537] Re: the rise of the central banks

1995-06-15 Thread Doug Henwood
At 3:17 PM 6/14/95, James Devine wrote: >Is it correct to date the transition to banker power the fall of >the Bretton Woods fixed-exchange rate system? I would guess that >the rise of the US budget deficit (which also gives the central >banks and money-lenders more power) was a later intensifica

[PEN-L:5536] Re: With friends like this!!

1995-06-15 Thread Gina Neff
Bill, you are completely right. The rusty cold warriors in the Pentagon have been lobbying hard for loopholes in any test ban treaty negotiated to exclude "low-yield" tests which are difficult to verify and laboratory testing with computer simulations. Even as the Comprehensive Test Ban Trea

[PEN-L:5535] Financial power

1995-06-15 Thread Marianne Hill
About 30 years ago as today, financial power was much more concentrated in the few dominant financial institutions than in the top corporations, especially taking interlocking directorates into account. I've been amazed at the relative fall of US banks in international financial circles since

[PEN-L:5534] RE: Clinton's "balanced budget"

1995-06-15 Thread BILL WALLER
The problem with federal budget policy in the U.S. is that the policy has very little to do with the economics of government budgets. A simple example illustrates this: In the Carter years federal deficits were a hot political topic. We needed to reduce "the deficit" (laughably small by today

[PEN-L:5533] Re: Ajit's comment to Gil

1995-06-15 Thread Mike Meeropol
DOLE SAID: > 1) "Politics of class war" As in, Clinton's intention to avoid > [further] tax cuts for the rich to go with tax cuts for the middle > class promotes the politics of class warfare, which we > statespersonlike Republicans wish to avoid... > GIL TRANSLATED: > Translation: yeah, w

[PEN-L:5532] Re: Gil's "aside" re Republican class warfare!

1995-06-15 Thread Mike Meeropol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > As an aside on Mike's post, I'd like to comment on two code phrases > in Bob Dole's "Republican response" to Clinton's proposal. They're > interesting because one hears them a lot from right-wingers these > days, and in taken in tandem they contradict each other i

[PEN-L:5531] With friends like this!!

1995-06-15 Thread bill mitchell
With friends like this who needs enemies. i read this evening in the OZ press that the US has adopted a low key response to the french bastards plan to resume nuclear weapons testing in the South Pacific. the writer thought that the US might join france in watering down the as-it stands now comp

[PEN-L:5530] RE: Clinton's "balanced budget"

1995-06-15 Thread glenn rayp
From raypg Thu Jun 15 09:35:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: by suntew.ua.ac.be (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08382; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:35:03 + Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:48:25 wdt From: raypg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (glenn rayp) co

[PEN-L:5529] Re: Clinton's "balanced budget"

1995-06-15 Thread ECAS
Gil says: As an aside on Mike's post, I'd like to comment on two code phrases in Bob Dole's "Republican response" to Clinton's proposal. They're interesting because one hears them a lot from right-wingers these days, and in taken in tandem they contradict each other in substance. 1) "Politic