[PEN-L:8174] Fwd: Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread MScoleman
Some yes, some no. The cotton gin in the south transformed cotton production almost over night. However, the sewing machine was around for a few decades before it came into wide use in shoe binding and ready made clothing. Crompton's mule (mechanized yarn spinning) and other technology only

[PEN-L:8173] Long Waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread PHILLPS
It seems to me that this whole discussion is taking place around a very limited understanding of long wave/swing theory, of which Schumpeter's model is only one (of many) theoretical variants. First, there is the implication in this stream that there is some form of cyclical nature to this

[PEN-L:8172] RE: Marx on interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread Eric Nilsson
RE this discussion of Marx's theory of the interest rate. I've been considering recently the notion of "averages" in Marx's theory and its possible relationship to the notion of "averages" in mid-19th century statistical theory. Here are some not-too-well-thought-out ideas related to that which

[PEN-L:8170] RE: Marx on interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread DICKENS, EDWIN (201)-408-3024
We now know how to determine important fragments from unimportant ones: Their length and the number of times Marx broke off in mid-sentence because his train of thought had shifted to some other topic. We are dealing, for the most part, with stream of consciousness writing. Given the number of

[PEN-L:8169] Re:Re: an extremely modest proposal

1997-01-10 Thread JDevine
Max S. writes:..."Government" connotes more of an alien presence [than "public"], though I use the term as much as anyone. I would like to point out that a rhetorical device of the Right is to distinguish government from public in the same way. I was debating a goober named Grover Norquist on

[PEN-L:8168] RE: Marx on interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread Gil Skillman
Tom Dickens writes, in part, Gil Skillman has provided us with "the key passage" concerning this issue. I like that. Whan sifting through a mass of fragments that Engels admitted to not knowing how to make sense of, how does Gil Skillman identify the key passages? I'm glad you like it, Tom,

[PEN-L:8167] RE: Marx on interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread DICKENS, EDWIN (201)-408-3024
Trevor Evans now appears to hold the position that, for Marx, the market interest rate fluctuates around an average level which is determined by, "amongst other things, . the relative strength of industrial capital and financial capital, institutional factors and even convention." Can we thus

[PEN-L:8166] Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Doug, Of course Japan's growth has been totally flat in the 90s. But, part of my wild speculation is that they may well play a very important well in the upswing, once it really takes off after 2000, and after they have completed the major shakeout currently under way. Some other

[PEN-L:8165] RE: Fiscal deficits and interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread Gil Skillman
In response to the following passage by Trevor Evans, And yet...Marx and Keynes both argued that the interest rate is determined by the relative balance of supply and demand in the market for money capital. Edwin (AKA Tom) Dickens asks: Where did they do that? The key passage is in Volume

[PEN-L:8163] Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Doug, I agree that 2.5% is fairly puny, although this may be understating things, as I have suggested and a lot of people think, based on measurement problems. But, if you read my statement carefully I said "compared to its past relative performance." Thus, how does that 2.5% compare

[PEN-L:8162] Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread Doug Henwood
At 9:46 AM 1/10/97, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: I also note that the US is way ahead of everybody else in this area and has been growing more than a lot of other economies in recent years, that is compared to its own past relative performance, perhaps partly as a result of the early effects

[PEN-L:8161] Sprint La Conexion Familiar (fwd)

1997-01-10 Thread D Shniad
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[PEN-L:8160] Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Doug, The place to see Schumpeter's arguments is in his magisterial _Business Cycles_ and to a lesser degree in his _Theory of Economic Development_. Yes, he argues that it takes a certain period of time for a new technology to really have an impact on an economy, kind of a critical

[PEN-L:8159] Re: long waves -- and a better question

1997-01-10 Thread Doug Henwood
I don't know my Schumpeter very well, or long-wave theory either, but computers and related instruments have been around for quite a long time now - in use by governments since the 1950s, and by business since the 1960s. Did earlier transformative technologies - steam engine, railroad, car, radio

[PEN-L:8158] Re: a extremely modest proposal

1997-01-10 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On 9 Jan 97 at 15:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Please, let's not talk about the _public_ (or worse, the _national_) debt. Rather, it's the _government's_ debt. Sure, it might be argued that the U.S. "public" (whoever that is) owns the government, so that the "public" is

[PEN-L:8157] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-01-10 Thread Richardson_D
-- From: Hoyle_K Sent: Thursday, January 09, 1997 5:30 PM To: DailyReport Subject:BLS Daily Report BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, JANUARY 9, 1997 RELEASED TODAY: The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods advanced 0.5 percent in December, following increases of 0.4

[PEN-L:8156] Marx on interest rates

1997-01-10 Thread Trevor Evans
Edwin Dickens asks where Marx and Keynes state that the rate of interest is determined by the balance of supply and demand for loan capital. In Capital, vol. 3, Marx distinguishes between the avarage rate of interest and the market rate of interest. The first refers to the average over the