[PEN-L:8273] Legal theft, chapter umpteen

1999-06-24 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Pen-pals, Am loving the info rev. thread - Harrison's finance 'spiders' v. production nodes analogue with concentration v. purportedly 'post-fordist' decentralisation (thanks Pete and Jim) kicks some potentially serious bottom, for mine. Anyway, to something else altogether ... was watchin

[PEN-L:8274] ten commandments in public schools?

1999-06-24 Thread Michael Hoover
forwarded by Michael Hoover > House OKs Posting of 10 Commandments > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted today to allow the Ten > Commandments to be posted in schools and other government > buildings. By 248-180, lawmakers approved Rep. Robert Aderholt's > amendment to a juvenile c

[PEN-L:8278] Re: Re: Re: The National Endowment for Democracy and the

1999-06-24 Thread Michael Hoover
> As long as the predominant world system > remains imperialism, any country which breaks away from that system > and attempts to preserve a bourbeois-like parliamentary democracy > will not be able to resist outside subversion. Even in a revolution > involving the maximum active participation of

[PEN-L:8279] Re: Re: Whites and Capitalists

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Rob, The fact that we are discussing the issue rather than denying it is progress. I admit that I, as an Asian non-white, have a special prospective, although such perspective is not "a priori" based, but rather on Lamarkian experience. And it is more accurate to call it reactive racism, rather t

[PEN-L:8280] China/US Confrontation Continues

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
China Stops Landing of U.S. Plane HONG KONG (AP) -- Chinese authorities have stopped a U.S. military airplane from landing in Hong Kong, the latest display of anger following the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

[PEN-L:8281] Re: The Theory of Cultural Racism (posted originally to leninist-internationalmail-list)

1999-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
This is just so much crap that it is hard to believe that someone could put it forward seriously. We have a crime without a perpetrator. Without evidence. Without a trial. But everyone accused is guilty because they belong to a certain group. It does not matter what they have done, they are g

[PEN-L:8286] Re: Re: Here we go again!

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Unfortunately, Greenspan still has a great deal of reserve monetary power at his dispoasal. It is highly unlikely that the US economy will crash before the next election. But Greenspan would have to pay a high price for postponing the inevitable. We have shifted from the goldilock economy (just

[PEN-L:8287] Re: Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Sam Pawlett
Brad De Long wrote: > Your fight is with Amartya Sen--not me. > > But my strong impression is that you have lost the argument already. > > Sen is not dumb, is careful, and rarely makes mistakes... > He uses the most amount of footnotes I've seen too. If I remember, didn't Sen point out that In

[PEN-L:8289] curbing the power of the World Bank...

1999-06-24 Thread Robert Naiman
Doug's posts on the Summers memo -- to the effect in the privacy of his own memo Summers was being honest about the logic of the institution he represented, and "we should face up to that" -- provoke me to pose the question: given that in fact this is a fair representation of what the World Ban

[PEN-L:8292] Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug Orr: >I am not sure about India, but Ireland exported food throughout the >potatoe famine. So you see Louis, it really is the free market at work. I'll tell you the truth. After answering DeLong on the Bengali famine, it dawned on me--particularly after reading Jim Devine's interesting fol

[PEN-L:8295] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
There are two separate issues. 1. Is the market economy desirable? 2. Is neoclassical economics usefull in analysing a market economy? Neoclassical economists confuse the issues. to question (1) they argue that ideally a "free market economy" is optimal. It appears to me that Sen is arguing that

Re: [PEN-L:8291] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Anthony D'Costa
Anthony P. D'Costa Associate Professor Comparative International Development University of Washington 1900 Commerce Street Tacoma, WA 98402, USA Phone: (253) 692-4462 Fax : (253) 692-5612 On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, DOUG ORR wrote: > Sam Pawlett wrote: > > Brad De Long wrote: > > Your fight is

[PEN-L:8296] Re: Peter Dorman's letter appeared in the NY Times today

1999-06-24 Thread Arun Chandra
it's a good letter, but the Times left out the last paragraph. arun chandra On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Louis Proyect wrote: > To the Editor: > > In your report on the Cologne G8 meeting, you refer in general terms to > the "democratic and economic reforms" Balkan governments must agree to > in ord

[PEN-L:8297] Nato hit only 5 percent of Serb tanks in Kosovo (but lots oftrains and buses?)

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
The Times (London), June 24, 1999, Thursday Nato dropped thousands of bombs on dummy roads, bridges and soldiers...and hit only 13 real Serb tanks Michael Evans, defence editor, in Pristina NATO'S 79-day bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, which involved thousands of sorties and some of th

[PEN-L:8300] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Jim Devine
In an earlier missive in this thread, I wrote: >>Sen and de Long are saying that even with close-to-perfect markets (or even perfect ones), people can starve, simply because they don't have enough money to buy food when the price goes up. That's a pretty damning indictment of markets, but it doesn

[PEN-L:8302] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Brad De Long
>Doug Orr: >>I am not sure about India, but Ireland exported food throughout the >>potatoe famine. So you see Louis, it really is the free market at work. > > >I'll tell you the truth. After answering DeLong on the Bengali famine, it >dawned on me--particularly after reading Jim Devine's interest

[PEN-L:8303] Re: Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Brad De Long
>In an earlier missive in this thread, I wrote: >>Sen and de Long are saying >that even with close-to-perfect markets (or even perfect ones), people can >starve, simply because they don't have enough money to buy food when the >price goes up. That's a pretty damning indictment of markets, but it >

[PEN-L:8305] MR "debate" on Brenner

1999-06-24 Thread Jim Devine
In the June 1999 issue of MONTHLY REVIEW, there's a "debate" on Bob Brenner's book THE ECONOMICS OF GLOBAL TURBULENCE. It's not really a debate, since the two authors (David McNally & John Bellamy Foster) don't address each others' articles, but it's worth reading at least one of them. The articl

[PEN-L:8307] CSM: G-7's debt proposal criticized

1999-06-24 Thread Robert Naiman
a nice piece, except that "structural adjustment" is equated to "more spending on social needs"[!] and he misses the point on 3 years -- no way they will back date it, the IMF gambit is that "debt relief will now come after 3 years, not 6" but under the IMF scheme 6 years of structural adjustme

[PEN-L:8310] The Theory of Cultural Racism

1999-06-24 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Rod Hay wrote: >Cultural differences are not racism. Jim Blaut's paper doesn't say that they are. In fact, it explicitly says, "It is one thing to respect culture, and to appreciate cultural differences, and quite another thing to rank human groups on cultural criteria, and to claim then that

[PEN-L:8311] Re: Economists challenge Fed's inflation 'hunch'

1999-06-24 Thread Michael Perelman
What is happening? How can a major paper quote Baker, Schlessinger, and Galbraith at the same time? Where are the rest of the bank economists? The article quotes only one? Who speaks for Wall Street? What biased reporting! I don't think that this reporter will be on the job long. He/She mig

[PEN-L:8312] RE: The Theory of Cultural Racism

1999-06-24 Thread Craven, Jim
-Original Message- From: Yoshie Furuhashi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8310] The Theory of Cultural Racism Rod Hay wrote: >Cultural differences are not racism. Jim Blaut's paper doesn't say that they are.

[PEN-L:8313] Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
Brad DeLong: >A market economy is--with no externalities, no increasing returns, no >market power, et cetera, et cetera--a very nice and effective way of >achieving the goal of maximizing a particular objective function that is >weighted sum of individual utilities, where each individual's weight

[PEN-L:8316] Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
Brad DeLong: >>Neoclassical economists confuse the issues. > >No we don't--at least those of us in the >Samuelson-Arrow-Sen-Stiglitz-Summers tradition don't. This is what I was driving at: In a March 28 New York Times article, Thomas Friedman wrote: "For globalization to work, America can't be a

[PEN-L:8318] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
Louis: You have to be careful going down this road. Sure there are elements of monopoly, coercion, etc. But neoclassical economists (accrording to Brad, the not so good ones) often point to these elements when someone says that their theory does not match the results observed. The great achie

[PEN-L:8319] Re: Re: The Theory of Cultural Racism

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Rod Hay wrote: > My remarks had a very simple message. If Henry is going to accuse people on > this list of racism, he had better back it up. As I said several times: Now, the individuals on the list that you referred to did not at first accused me of being a reverse racist. Their first line

[PEN-L:8321] Re: curbing the power of the World Bank...

1999-06-24 Thread Patrick Bond
Viva viva, Robert. This is the spirit that in South Africa (as well as many other places) translates into the slogan, "WB, quit SA!" The Bank has in virtually every single one of its adventures here sided with rich white folk. Many details can be provided to anyone even slightly doubtful. Wh

[PEN-L:8322] racism

1999-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
Henry wrote: "Some of my best friends are Chinese." Henry This is just the type of provocative accusation that I am talking about. It serves no purpose but to antagonise. If you are accusing me or anyone else on this list of being a racist, I demand more evidence that the fact that I do not t

[PEN-L:8317] Re: The Theory of Cultural Racism

1999-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
My remarks had a very simple message. If Henry is going to accuse people on this list of racism, he had better back it up. And stop copping out everytime by saying. "I am Chinese I can say anything I want with out being challenged." "Disagreeing with me is racism" or telling people to calm dow

[PEN-L:8315] Globalism's first victim

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
NATIONAL POST, Wednesday, June 23, 1999 COMMENT p. A18 Globalism's first victim by David Orchard In March, the most powerful military force in history attacked tiny Yugoslavia (one fifth the size of Saskatchewan) and after seventy-nine days of flagrantly illegal bombing forced an occupation

[PEN-L:8314] Re: Re: Re: Re: California Gree -Reply -Forw

1999-06-24 Thread Peter Dorman
Yes, this same critique was posted on pen-l a few years back. Without posing as an expert on this issue, I would like to say that it is probably not a case of either/or. If GM suffered a planned loss on its transit acquisitions, that means that its actions were probably not neutral. In addition

[PEN-L:8309] California Green Party Question

1999-06-24 Thread Tim Stroshane
Interesting topic. My comments do not represent official City of Berkeley positions. That said, like Henry Liu, I am also a planner, though a housing planner. However, working regionally, planners, designers, architects, land use lawyers and a lot of forward looking environmental thinkers of al

[PEN-L:8308] RE: Re: Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
As was Ireland... ian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Pawlett > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 10:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L:8287] Re: Re: Bengali famine > > > Brad De Long wrote: > > Your fight is with Ama

[PEN-L:8306] Economists challenge Fed's inflation 'hunch'

1999-06-24 Thread Robert Naiman
The Christian Science Monitor June 21, 1999, Monday SECTION: FEATURES; WORK & MONEY; CAPITAL IDEAS; ECONOMIC SCENE; Pg. 17 LENGTH: 744 words HEADLINE: Economists challenge Fed's inflation 'hunch' BYLINE: David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science

[PEN-L:8304] Re: Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread Brad De Long
>There are two separate issues. >1. Is the market economy desirable? >2. Is neoclassical economics usefull in analysing a market economy? > >Neoclassical economists confuse the issues. No we don't--at least those of us in the Samuelson-Arrow-Sen-Stiglitz-Summers tradition don't. A market economy

[PEN-L:8301] Re: Re: Peter Dorman's letter appeared in

1999-06-24 Thread Max Sawicky
>> The last sentence was the important one, making the main political point (about democracy) and needling the Times for the implicit bias in their coverage. *They never received my permission to print this revised version.* . . . " The Post is the same way. You're at the mercy of the letters e

[PEN-L:8299] Re: Re: Peter Dorman's letter appeared in the NY Timestoday

1999-06-24 Thread Peter Dorman
Yes, and I'm peeved. The last sentence was the important one, making the main political point (about democracy) and needling the Times for the implicit bias in their coverage. *They never received my permission to print this revised version.* Peter Arun Chandra wrote: > > it's a good letter,

[PEN-L:8298] Re: Re: Re: California Gree -Reply -Forw

1999-06-24 Thread Tim Stroshane
Forwarded mail received from: PERMIT1:NAL1 I forwarded some of the discussion on California/transit to a colleague here at the City of Berkeley, one of our transportation planners, and this is his comment, with his permission. The GM conspiracy theory has little or no credibility in transportat

[PEN-L:8294] Pacifica protests

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
NEWS June 21, 1999 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Coalition for a democratic Pacifica Andrea Buffa 415-546-6334 x309 or mobile phone 415-303-3540. KPFA Air Goes Dead as Programmers, Listeners Protest Pacifica Arrests Nine Peaceful Demonstrators BERKELEY, CA - On the morning of June 21 Ber

[PEN-L:8293] Peter Dorman's letter appeared in the NY Times today

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
To the Editor: In your report on the Cologne G8 meeting, you refer in general terms to the "democratic and economic reforms" Balkan governments must agree to in order to receive economic assistance from the US and the European Union. This aid is desperately needed to repair the damage caused by

[PEN-L:8291] Re: Bengali famine

1999-06-24 Thread DOUG ORR
Sam Pawlett wrote: Brad De Long wrote: > Your fight is with Amartya Sen--not me. > > But my strong impression is that you have lost the argument already. > > Sen is not dumb, is careful, and rarely makes mistakes... > He uses the most amount of footnotes I've seen too. If I remember, didn't S

[PEN-L:8288] Re: Re: California Green Party

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
But the 60s was the period where there was real trickling down, not like now. There was so hope for a brief moment that the age of socialism was dawning and America, the richest nation was leading the way. There are different faces (and phases) of capitalism. But then, corporate restructuring and

[PEN-L:8285] Re: California Green Party

1999-06-24 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> LA, with all its problems, is still my favorite city, although I only lived > there a little more than 4 years and in the late 60's, a period my friends > there now tell me was the golden era for LA, and in fact for much else in the > world. > > During that time, anyone arriving LA in the mor

[PEN-L:8283] Here we go again!

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Here we go again, setting Asia and Latin America up for another financial crisis a year from now. The average timing will be one crisis every two or three years to repatriate all surplus value from the periphery back to the core. Henry C.K. Liu Business Times On Line June 24 1999 Whopping US$

[PEN-L:8282] Re: Re: The Theory of Cultural Racism (posted originally toleninist-internationalmail-list)

1999-06-24 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Calm down, you'd hurt yourself. Rod Hay wrote: > This is just so much crap that it is hard to believe that someone could put > it forward seriously. We have a crime without a perpetrator. Without > evidence. Without a trial. But everyone accused is guilty because they > belong to a certain group

[PEN-L:8277] BLS Daily Report

1999-06-24 Thread Richardson_D
> BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 23, 1999: > > Today's BLS News Release: "Average Annual Pay by State and Industry, > 1997" indicates that the average annual pay of all workers covered by > state and federal unemployment insurance (UI) programs was $30,336 in > 1997, a 4.8 percent gain over t

[PEN-L:8276] The Theory of Cultural Racism (posted originally toleninist-international mail-list)

1999-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
Reprinted from Antipode: A Radical Journal of Geography 23(1992): 289 299. The Theory of Cultural Racism By J. M. Blaut, Department of Geography University of Illinois at Chicago i. Theory and Practice Very few academics these days consider themselves to be racists, and calling someone a raci

[PEN-L:8275] Re: Whites and Capitalists

1999-06-24 Thread Rob Schaap
A rambling response to some aspects of this conversation that seem, well, ambiguous to me, Henry ... >The term "whites" remains a very valid >social scientific category and generalization. The fact that something is >socially constructed does not make it indefinite or invalid as a >generalization