Re: Turkey, Argentina and the IMF

2000-12-11 Thread Colin Danby
It is not clear to me that a currency board inevitably involves fixed exchange rates which cannot be devalued. By definition, it does. You peg your currency to a stronger one, abandon any exchange controls, and adopt the rule that your monetary base will never exceed your central bank's

unsubscribing for the holiday season

2000-12-11 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
lots to read and do. everyone please have a Happy and a Merry! moderator: what are the magic words to unsub? norm

Re: The End

2000-12-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
First of all, this sort of smug communication has no place here. Second, for those who are interested, I would suggest a look at Kulikoff, Allan. 2000. From British Peasants to Colonial American Farmers (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press). Thanks for the source. That's a

(Fwd) Out of Africa -- mitochondrial DNA

2000-12-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Further proof based on genetic research in support of the "Out of Africa" thesis in a New York Times article seems to demonstrate conclusively that homo sapiens moved out of the continent as late as 52,000 years ago. Study Supports Theory That Modern Humans Originated in Africa

still trying to unsub

2000-12-11 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
still getting PEN-L posts. moderator or poster: please tell me how to unsub. also, how to sub again next year. have a nice holiday season. thx, norm

Re: (Fwd) Out of Africa -- mitochondrial DNA

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
We are all Africans now. Charles B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 10:46AM Further proof based on genetic research in support of the "Out of Africa" thesis in a New York Times article seems to demonstrate conclusively that homo sapiens moved out of the continent as late as 52,000 years ago.

Re: President-Elect Bush

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
Get ready to fight Bush. Bush will win because the U.S. Supreme Court is out there fully political, and the House of Representatives is Republican majority like the Supreme Court. The Wall Street Journal poll is because they see that the issue is going to be the battle over the legitimacy of

Re: still trying to unsub

2000-12-11 Thread Rob Schaap
Whatever made you think we'd let a sleeper within the trenches and fortifications of the bourgeoisie, the very seat of the state apparatus, leave us, comrade Mikalac? To quote a great revolutionary anthem: you can check out any time you like but you can never leave. MWAUHAHAHA! Love and

Re: Re: The End

2000-12-11 Thread Michael Perelman
I am not interested in your interpretation of my ethics. This sort of talk does not belong here. I am tired of having to warn you. On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:00:49AM -0400, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: First of all, this sort of smug communication has no place here. Second, for those who are

Re: unsubscribing for the holiday season

2000-12-11 Thread Michael Perelman
I am sending this to the entire list. Just send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsub pen-l On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 07:28:31AM -0500, Mikalac Norman S NSSC wrote: lots to read and do. everyone please have a Happy and a Merry! moderator: what are the magic words to unsub? norm --

Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/08/00 08:25PM Here is a big general question for you regarding markets: What is the implication for your various analyses from the widespread existence of black markets? Black markets have existed not only with respect to specific commodities (drugs, alcohol, etc.), but

RE: Re: unsubscribing for the holiday season

2000-12-11 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
note: the numerous "communist" books arriving at my door have alarmed my new Nepalese wife who has visions of the police coming to arrest me soon. i tried to explain to her how the system works around here . but . i'll be back soon after completing the design for my latest rocket for

Just our Bill

2000-12-11 Thread Max Sawicky
fyi max Just Our Bill by Dennis Roddy, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Saturday, December 02, 2000 Lito Pena is sure of his memory. Thirty-six years ago he, then a Democratic Party poll watcher, got into a shoving match with a Republican who had spent the opening hours of the 1964 election doing

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2000-12-11 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
i'll be back armed with the collective wisdom of Friedman and LaRouche to roll back the Red Tide at PEN-L. norm -Original Message- From: Rob Schaap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:6010] Re: still trying to unsub

Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Jim Devine
As a parting shot, norm wrote: i'll be back armed with the collective wisdom of Friedman and LaRouche to roll back the Red Tide at PEN-L. One time, while browsing through the library of a colleague in the economics department, I noticed that he had a copy of a searing critique of Milton

More on Daimler

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
DETROIT: PLANT CLOSINGS, LAYOFFS LOOM AT DAIMLERCHRYSLER By Terri Kay Detroit DaimlerChrysler has launched a major restructuring of its Chrysler subsidiary, headquartered in the suburbs of Detroit. Coming at the same time as a downturn in automobile sales, this thinly disguised attempt to

RE: Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Forstater, Mathew
A very common question from first and second year undergrad students who visit my office is: "Have you read all these books?" I explain to them how lots of books aren't read like you would a novel, that we use them as references, but that I do read a lot of books, and I also have the opportunity

Re: Just our Bill/ Stain the presidency , notjust the president

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
Yea, Max, I figure the key thing we can get out of this tie election is to mar at least the Bush presidency ( the important thing is stain the presidency ,not just the president) and maybe the Supremacy Courtacy. Charles B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 11:45AM fyi max Just Our Bill by

RE: Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread David Shemano
Regarding black markets: Tom replied: Your question presumes markets are anathema to socialists and I agree that is a fair assumption with regard to "traditional marxists". There are also market socialists, such as Justin Schwartz on this list. I happen to hold

Re:(Fwd) Out of Africa -- mitochondrial DNA

2000-12-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Just in case, the words below are not mine. This was posted in the H-World list Further proof based on genetic research in support of the "Out of Africa" thesis in a New York Times article seems to demonstrate conclusively that homo sapiens moved out of the continent as late as 52,000

Re: RE: Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Jim Devine
Mat wrote: A very common question from first and second year undergrad students who visit my office is: "Have you read all these books?" I explain to them how lots of books aren't read like you would a novel, that we use them as references, but that I do read a lot of books, and I also have the

Re: RE: Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Matt Forstater: What blows me away is when a colleague asks me the same question. I've seen Profs whose offices have maybe ten books on the shelf, half textbooks, the rest the books for the first year seminar they taught. And I don't think it is because they have their real library at home.

Have You Read All These Books?

2000-12-11 Thread Justin Schwartz
What blows me away is when a colleague asks me the same question. I've seen Profs whose offices have maybe ten books on the shelf, half textbooks, the rest the books for the first year seminar they taught. And I don't think it is because they have their real library at home. Different

Rehnquist Got Partisan Start Suppressing Black Vote

2000-12-11 Thread Nathan Newman
As the Supremes rule on suppressing the right to vote in Florida, it is worth remembering that Chief Justice Rehnquist got his start as a partisan Republican poll watching to suppress the black vote through intimidation and harassment. -- Nathan Newman Just Our Bill by Dennis Roddy, Pittsburgh

AFL-CIO Job

2000-12-11 Thread Max Sawicky
DEPUTY DIRECTOR AFL-CIO Center for Working Capital The AFL-CIO Center for Working Capital is a non-profit organization which organizes conferences for pension fund trustees, conducts original research, and develops trustee training curricula. The Deputy Director will design, organize and

More on AFL Job

2000-12-11 Thread Max Sawicky
JOB DESCRIPTION Position Title: DEPUTY DIRECTOR AFL-CIO Center for Working Capital Purpose: The AFL-CIO Center for Working Capital a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization created to assist pension fund trustees in fulfilling their fiduciary duties. It does so by organizing conferences for

Re: Have You Read All These Books?

2000-12-11 Thread Jim Devine
Justin writes: My experience of academia is that philosophy professors are not intellectuals. My ex-colleagues at Ohio State were (are) not readers or people of wide culture, or even much curiosity. They were mostly narrow technicians who had found a little groove they were good at, generally

Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Timework Web
David Shemano wrote: the left critiques of neoclassical economics is that neoclassical economics incorrectly assumes that markets are "natural" and not a creation of the rules of the political system, which reflect the interests of the powerful in that system. The rules of the political

Re: Have You Read All These Books?

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 02:03PM Justin writes: My experience of academia is that philosophy professors are not intellectuals. My ex-colleagues at Ohio State were (are) not readers or people of wide culture, or even much curiosity. They were mostly narrow technicians who had found a

Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 12:50PM With respect to Charles' reply, members of this list devote considerable time attempting to determine when and where "capitalism" originated in 15-17th Centuries. But black markets/smuggling is a pervasive presence back to ancient times. If so, why would

Left should generate anti-Bush , SC rhetoric

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
The Left should be furiously producing arguments and feelings that help to make the current events the basis for delegitimizing the Bush regime as much as possible. We should not be passive in the face of Wall Street Journal polls which are aimed at influencing public opinion in exactly the

Flexibility of tactics

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
CB: "The Left should be furiously producing arguments and feelings that help to make the current events the basis for delegitimizing the Bush regime as much as possible. We should not be passive in the face of Wall Street Journal polls which are aimed at influencing public opinion in exactly the

USA led anti-Milosevic opposition

2000-12-11 Thread Louis Proyect
The Washington Post, December 11, 2000, Monday, Final Edition U.S. Advice Guided Milosevic Opposition; Political Consultants Helped Yugoslav Opposition Topple Authoritarian Leader Michael Dobbs , Washington Post Foreign Service In a softly lit conference room, American pollster Doug Schoen

Left liberals enjoy a cruise

2000-12-11 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, December 11, 2000 Supporting the Cause on a Cruise By ALEX KUCZYNSKI ABOARD M.S. RYNDAM, off Cuba, Dec. 7 - Three hundred readers of The Nation magazine sipped coffee and ate breakfast pastries in a dimly lighted auditorium where they had gathered to hear a lecture about the

Re: RE: Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:50 AM 12/11/00 -0800, you wrote: My question was intentionally vague, so let me try and clarify. My question is not about whether markets are "efficient." As I understand it, one of the left critiques of neoclassical economics is that neoclassical economics incorrectly assumes that

Re: RE: Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Forstater, Mathew wrote: A very common question from first and second year undergrad students who visit my office is: "Have you read all these books?" I explain to them how lots of books aren't read like you would a novel, that we use them as references, but that I do read a lot of books, and I

FW: THIS IS THE CORRECT VERSION OFMY 12/11/00 LETTER -- Please notethe 2 changes]

2000-12-11 Thread Forstater, Mathew
12/11/00 amended Dear friends, Please note that it is Justice ANTHONY Kennedy, not William (as in Kennedy Smith -- I'm getting my Palm Beach Stories mixed up!). Send your telegrams to Justice Anthony Kennedy (in addition to Justice O'Connor). Also, here is a better link for the story on how

Friedman LaRouche

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 04:13PM Forstater, Mathew wrote: A very common question from first and second year undergrad students who visit my office is: "Have you read all these books?" I explain to them how lots of books aren't read like you would a novel, that we use them as references,

Wall Street Journal poll could be a fraud.

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
Also, Nathan, on the below, the WSJ poll might be a lie, at the key time. Who would know differently ? How would it be proven in time to impact the current moment when , if people thought the majority were upset, it might feed the opposition and outrage at the theft of the election. Charles

Get ready to rumble with Bush for a four years

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
Max to Nathan: This Dem Party non-campaign on behalf of popular suffrage that you embrace points up the limits of this maneuver. It's not a strategy or commitment. It's a tactic with the projected life-span of a fruit fly. In fact, it may be over before you finish reading this sentence.

Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
Charles, you surely remember Marx' aphorism "I am not a Marxist". So please be careful in assuming to Marx what you think what Marx "held" in Capital. I guess you are not the only member of this list who would deny the view that "chapter one of the book by the same name" and all the three

Re: Friedman

2000-12-11 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
critique of Milton Friedman For a recent Marxist critique of Friedman see: Fritz Fiehler: Die Gesellschaft der Vermögensbesitzer. Über Geld, Chicago und Milton Friedman [The Society of Private Wealth. On Money, Chicago, and Milton Friedman], 2000, Hamburg: VSA-Verlag; 252 pages, DM 39,80

Re: More on Daimler

2000-12-11 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
"Chrysler workers must solicit support from IG Metall, the union representing Daimler workers in Germany. This union has fought militantly against corporate downsizing and would undoubtedly lend its solidarity to the Auto Workers union in this battle." picture (DaimlerChrysler workers at

BLS Daily Report

2000-12-11 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2000 __The pace of job creation across the U.S. economy was sluggish in November, as modest gains in the private sector were blunted by unexpected declines in government hiring, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The civilian unemployment rate

Re: Get ready to rumble with Bush for a four years

2000-12-11 Thread Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote: CB: But after Bush wins, won't it be necessary to speak "at length" against Bush ? Actually, time and space spent "speaking at length" against this or that politician tends to deflect attention from more important things. We need to speak against concrete policies on

USX goes global

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
USX goes global By Arthur Perlo After two decades of "relentless contraction," the nation's largest steel producer, USX, has increased its production capacity by one-third, according to the Nov. 30 New York Times. You would think this would be welcome news. After all, since 1970, steel

RE: Re: RE: Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread David Shemano
In reply to Jim and anybody else: Before I ask other questions, please provide me with a brief answer to the following very basic question. I realize the answer will lend itself to something much more comprehensive, but bear with me. We all apparently agree that "markets" exist since the

Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 08:19PM In reply to Jim and anybody else: Before I ask other questions, please provide me with a brief answer to the following very basic question. I realize the answer will lend itself to something much more comprehensive, but bear with me. We all apparently

Japan's Debt

2000-12-11 Thread Philip J. McLewin
Today's Wall Street Journal had an article on "Japan's Massive Debt Threatens Any Recovery," with a sub-title "No Solution in Sight As Low Tax Revenues Compounds Problem." The news story calls attention to Japan's 8 fiscal stimulus packages since 1983 totalling 112 trillion yen -- "a figure

Reality switches conservative on death penalty

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
Illinois governor: My faith in death penalty was shaken The following are the comments (slightly abridged) of Illinois Gov. George H. Ryan to Northwestern University's Center on Wrongful Convictions Awards Dinner Nov. 30. Ryan, a Republican was being honored for initiating a state moratorium

Time for agile leftists to shift and support Gore.

2000-12-11 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/06/00 10:51PM Actually, I think it is of historical interest only that Lenin changed his mind in changed circumstnces in 1918. The question is, does supporting the big bourgeoisie promote the cause in our circumstances? Neither Chris nor Charles have given any reason

Re: Re: Have You Read All These Books?

2000-12-11 Thread JKSCHW
Of course I think philosophers (of all people) ought to be cultured people of wide curiosity. However, it's a fact that in high-powered reserach institutions and places that aspire to be like those places, they are mostly not. I don't think philosophers are unique here: we see a general

Re: Time for agile leftists to shift and support Gore.

2000-12-11 Thread JKSCHW
What made you think I think that big bourgeois judges are OK? Actually, elections are exactly where I think that liberal political values belong--not "liberal" in the sense of Democratic party, which isn't even liberal in the New Deal-Great Society sense anymore, but in the sense of

Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread JKSCHW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/00 08:19PM In reply to Jim and anybody else: Before I ask other questions, please provide me with a brief answer to the following very basic question. We all apparently agree that "markets" exist since the beginning of recorded history. But marxists distinguish

Re: Re: Re: Have You Read All These Books?

2000-12-11 Thread kelley
At 10:27 PM 12/11/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I think philosophers (of all people) ought to be cultured people of wide curiosity. However, it's a fact that in high-powered reserach institutions and places that aspire to be like those places, they are mostly not. I don't think

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Jim Devine
David wrote: We all apparently agree that "markets" exist since the beginning of recorded history. But marxists distinguish "capitalism" as something historically unique. If the defining characteristic of "capitalism" is not markets, what is it? There's been some debate about this issue on

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Question for the Lefties

2000-12-11 Thread Colin Danby
I'd concur with Jim on how "capitalism" is normally defined as a theoretical concept. Just to underline two points: 1. Marxist analysis focuses on production, not exchange. What distinguishes the capitalist productive enterprise is that its profits are controlled by the owners of capital, not